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I know most of the summer many never included him when speculating about minutes. He was the forgotten player for many. It appears from what I hear that he will help this team and sooner or later will be a very good player. I've never been shy about my optimism on him..not due to seeing him at Purdue playing...just video and his metrics as well as what appears to be agility and quickness through the season last year. "IF" he has major minutes this year...he and Nojel have very unusual skill sets to go with their physical presence. I like this team and question if any team is better without an abundance of advantages in star power over these players.

Can't wait to see them again...a week from Saturday
 
I know most of the summer many never included him when speculating about minutes. He was the forgotten player for many. It appears from what I hear that he will help this team and sooner or later will be a very good player. I've never been shy about my optimism on him..not due to seeing him at Purdue playing...just video and his metrics as well as what appears to be agility and quickness through the season last year. "IF" he has major minutes this year...he and Nojel have very unusual skill sets to go with their physical presence. I like this team and question if any team is better without an abundance of advantages in star power over these players.

Can't wait to see them again...a week from Saturday
Out of curiosity, what is your definition of "major minutes"? I'm asking because to me Taylor will back up Haas, while I think Wheeler backs up Vince. I think Haarms will get 5ish minutes/gm against better competition.
 
Out of curiosity, what is your definition of "major minutes"? I'm asking because to me Taylor will back up Haas, while I think Wheeler backs up Vince. I think Haarms will get 5ish minutes/gm against better competition.

What lead you to believe that Wheeler will get the majority of minutes behind Vince?
 
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I'm excited to see him play. With Taylor having foot issues again that will keep him out at least a month if not longer, I think we will see more Haarms. I thought I read something where Coach Painter is very high on him. He's been with the team since last year and has a unique skill set so I don't know why he wouldn't see the court a bit. I wouldn't be surprised to see him in there 10+ minutes a game.
 
What lead you to believe that Wheeler will get the majority of minutes behind Vince?
Skill set, WUG play, and based on reports that have been coming out about his game. It has been reported that Eifert playing a lot during the WUG might not be a fluke, and that he might play a lot during the season as well.
 
I think Eifert will get more minutes than the newcomers at least early. Eifert/Haas may be another Eifert/Rowinski combo. His dad Greg might have played more G than F though.
 
Wheeler didn't play much at all in the WUG. Based on WUG playing time, I would say Grady gets the most minutes. Now that said, i don't see that for long, definitely not into B1G play.
 
Skill set, WUG play, and based on reports that have been coming out about his game. It has been reported that Eifert playing a lot during the WUG might not be a fluke, and that he might play a lot during the season as well.

Haarms was ineligible and Ewing got in late. Both should be ahead of Eifert. Grady is servicible, but he doesn't have the athleticism/scoring of Ewing and he doesn't have the size and skill set that Haarms has. He is reliable and knows the system, but the obvious choice is Ewing or Haarms.
 
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Grady is my hero. I thought he should have played a few minutes more last year and pretty much just got garbage time. Caleb was always singing his praise as a rebounder. He could have gotten frustrated and just mailed it in this year, but he has come back much improved. Now I believe in playing 8 and Grady may not make the elite 8, but every time he enters the game I would love to hear Grady Grady instead of Rudy Rudy.
 
Grady will never see the court when we play a decent team. If he does, we are in bad shape.
 
I believe Grady got a lot of playing time in the WUG because painter knew he wouldn't be getting many minutes when we started our regular season. the minutes Grady saw will be given to Haarms, Wheeler and Ewing.
 
Out of curiosity, what is your definition of "major minutes"? I'm asking because to me Taylor will back up Haas, while I think Wheeler backs up Vince. I think Haarms will get 5ish minutes/gm against better competition.
major minutes was probably a bad choice of words. I probably should have said one of the major players. Again, I haven't seen him play..but every single indication I have in previous video and listening to Matt and such tend to make me think he will not be a 5 in the sense of the recent past. His skill set is that of a 4. Taylor had a very good showing in the WUG and I certainly hope he can play this year. If so, I can see Taylor being first backup for a lot of situations. JT was a positive for Purdue in the WUG. Gut feel since I haven't seen Matt actually play, is that Matt plays the four for Vince and also spends time at the 5 but playing more like a 4 on O. If you used Matt at the 5, but playing more like a 4 on O it would also allow if desired...vince at the 3 and the ability for vince to take his player more inside since Matt would float outside more. Matt said that if Haarms could get 20-30 minutes a game he would be a VERY, VERY good player for Purdue at the end of the year, but that he wouldn't get 30 minutes. If there is another 7'3" player on the perimeter in a major conference I don't know who it is. Matt H offers things other coaches don't have. "major minutes" in quantity of minutes was a bad use of the word..."major" as in important minutes was hidden through my poor wording.

Matt has said that the WUG was NOT indicative of how they will necessarily play. he said they could have probably won teh WUG if that was the main goal. Winning the BIG and playing the best ball in March was most important. GRady played because he played within himself and played smart..he contributed. Grady may find a few minutes as a glue guy, but GRady does not have the ceiling to get where Matt wants to be in March...
 
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Haarms was ineligible and Ewing got in late. Both should be ahead of Eifert. Grady is servicible, but he doesn't have the athleticism/scoring of Ewing and he doesn't have the size and skill set that Haarms has. He is reliable and knows the system, but the obvious choice is Ewing or Haarms.
According to premium reports, Eifert will certainly be getting PT early this year. Don't expect too much out of Ewing. Out of the 6 scholarship guys at the 4 and 5 spot he is the 6th guy. Even Eifert is ahead of him at this point.
 
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When we first pick Ewing up he was supposed to be a good player and help us out this year what's changed
He was over hyped. JUCO's rarely come in make a difference, especially to a Big Ten program. He may well help out this year, but at this point it is not expected. Expect a season very similar to the one the IU JUCO transfer (McSwain) had last year.
 
Out of curiosity, what is your definition of "major minutes"? I'm asking because to me Taylor will back up Haas, while I think Wheeler backs up Vince. I think Haarms will get 5ish minutes/gm against better competition.
I think that this will be a season of using Taylor judiciously to protect his foot.
 
I can see being a good player but a very good player I don't know about that cuz if he is a very good player everything you said above wouldn't matter
 
I believe Grady got a lot of playing time in the WUG because painter knew he wouldn't be getting many minutes when we started our regular season. the minutes Grady saw will be given to Haarms, Wheeler and Ewing.
It is more than obvious that the posters commenting about Grady did not see him play in the exhibition and WUG game. And some are doubling down on their bad assumptions about Grady to claim that his minutes are somehow proof that the new players aren't good. Dumb.
 
It is more than obvious that the posters commenting about Grady did not see him play in the exhibition and WUG game. And some are doubling down on their bad assumptions about Grady to claim that his minutes are somehow proof that the new players aren't good. Dumb.

Yes, anyone who watches the 8 games in Taipei should know Eifert has greatly improved. No, he is not gonna play starter minutes, but he is a VERY serviceable backup. In fact, Painter puts Eifert in for VEd down the stretch. People just assume walk-ons will stay walk-ons forever. Plain ignorance and just show the speaker's naive prejudice.

FWIW, Iowa's Nicholas Baer is a former walk-on too, but he has played 20+ minutes for the Hawkeyes, shot 40% from 3s, and nationally ranked in BLK% and STL%. Watch their game before you look down upon walk-ons.
 
Grady played OK. I watched the WUG games and he didn't embarrass himself. I just believe he played more minutes than I would expect him to play now. to me, the one front court player who stood out and is deserving of more minutes was Taylor.

Now that we're back and Painter is preparing his team, I believe he will give more "developmental" minutes in garbage time to Haarms and Wheeler . and game time rotations will include Haarms and Ewing before Grady.

if has plays 25-30 minutes and Edwards plays 30 minutes, there is not much time left to give their back-ups. I see Taylor as the first big off the bench followed by Haarms, Ewing, Wheeler and then Grady. Grady may at this point be better than Haarms, Wheeler and Ewing. I just believe Painter will use those available minutes to prepare our younger players for next year. I doubt Wheeler redshirts, so he's going to get minutes at the expense of somebody.

I'm going to close by saying Grady was great in the WUG. I have confidence he can be a contributor. But, we also need to develop our younger players. And that development will likely be at Grady's expense.
 
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It is more than obvious that the posters commenting about Grady did not see him play in the exhibition and WUG game. And some are doubling down on their bad assumptions about Grady to claim that his minutes are somehow proof that the new players aren't good. Dumb.
As one of the guys during the WUG broadcasts stated...Eifert is a walk-on but he isn't your normal walkon. He could have easily gone and played at a good D1 school had Purdue not given him the chance to play.
 
Grady played OK. I watched the WUG games and he didn't embarrass himself.
LOL! I won't accuse you of lying when you say you watched him play, but your your follow-up comment certainly makes me wonder. The best you can say is that he "didn't embarrass himself"? I'll word it a little more positively. He outplayed the competition when he was in the game. In the overtime exhibition game against Canada, he was all the buzz among the fans sitting in the stands.
 
LOL! I won't accuse you of lying when you say you watched him play, but your your follow-up comment certainly makes me wonder. The best you can say is that he "didn't embarrass himself"? I'll word it a little more positively. He outplayed the competition when he was in the game. In the overtime exhibition game against Canada, he was all the buzz among the fans sitting in the stands.
He was a plus and played well while he was there because he understands what he can and cannot do. His ceiling isn't near as high as the others, but for a few short minutes he is ahead of many today
 
LOL! I won't accuse you of lying when you say you watched him play, but your your follow-up comment certainly makes me wonder. The best you can say is that he "didn't embarrass himself"? I'll word it a little more positively. He outplayed the competition when he was in the game. In the overtime exhibition game against Canada, he was all the buzz among the fans sitting in the stands.


I can be very critical . For me to say somebody was ok, is high praise. I didn't see any alley-oop dunks. I didn't see any in your face block shots, or outlet passes down the court. I didn't see any steals and runs down the court for a smash dunk. I didn't see any 15 rebound games. I didn't see him make any last second half court buzzer beaters, or for that matter any 20 second shot clock beaters either. I didn't see him dominating his opponent and taking him out of the game. I didn't see him scoring against double teams. I didn't see him above the rim grabbing rebounds and cleaning the glass. .

I'm not the type of guy who is going to heap praise on a guy for a mediocre performance as a back-up role player. Frankly, I'm tired of the participation trophy philosophy where we say everything a player does is great and awesome. Grady filled a role and did it well. He filled the gap. As I was watching the game, as a casual observer, to me, his play didn't really stand out. he was one of 5 players on the court doing his job.. Given a choice, I would have rather had Haas and V Edwards play 40 minutes. If possible, I believe everyone else would as well.

I'll say the same thing about Taylor, Sasha, Cline, Eastern and Wheeler. They also showed some nice flashes of play in limited minutes I won't complement Ewing as I never noticed him playing. the box score said he did. but he didn't do anything for me to notice he played.

Rather than giving every player high praise and lowering my standards, my standards will remain the same for all players. A triple double is an awesome game. Hitting 10 threes is an awesome game. Dishing out 10 assists or getting 10 steals is an awesome game. Collecting 20 rebounds or 10 blocks is a n awesome game. Scoring 20 points is outstanding or excellent. Scoring 8-12 points with 4 rebounds is a nice, ok game. I' m not going to say somebody was awesome or heap a bunch of praise to a bench player in a relief role for a 5-15 minute gig.

And I'll stand by my previous statement. in the regular season I expect Haas to play 25-30 minutes, and Edwards to play 30 mins. That will leave 25 minutes for the remainder of the front court. And I expect the majority of those minutes will go to a healthy Taylor, and devoted to developing Haarms and Wheeler. Ewing may see some minutes. As for Grady, despite all he did in the WUG, when the college games start, I expect Grady to be the last frontcourt player off the bench. he saw a lot of minutes in the WUG because of his experience and knowledge of our system. If Haarms was available for the WUG, and if Ewing had arrived earlier, we might not even be talking about Grady.

Andy, You like Grady - looking at our entire team, how many minutes do YOU see him playing? I see 3- 5 mpg at most in a mop-up role. and that's only if Haas, Taylor, Haarms, and V Edwards are in foul trouble or injured.
 
LOL! I won't accuse you of lying when you say you watched him play, but your your follow-up comment certainly makes me wonder. The best you can say is that he "didn't embarrass himself"? I'll word it a little more positively. He outplayed the competition when he was in the game. In the overtime exhibition game against Canada, he was all the buzz among the fans sitting in the stands.


Andy - you pointed out one game. Grady played because Haas fouled out. if Haas hadn't fouled out, how much would Grady have played in that game? Grady came in , did his job, and we won the game. but in that game, the guy who caught my attention most was Haas on offense. to me, to heap praise on Grady for his contributions would be to diminish my praise for Haas. if I said Grady was great and awesome in that game, what adjectives should I use to describe Haas? A lot of questions were swirling around Haas before the start of the season as to could he step up his game to replace part of the void left by Biggie. And Haas answered his critics with a statement game.
 
I look at Grady like I look at Kraft's macaroni and cheese, and Campbell's soup. They're good and in my food pantry, and I eat them but, it's not like Grady is as great as a Chicago deep dish pizza, or a Chris Ruth 20 oz ribeye. I'm never going to call Campbell's soup or a McDonald's hamburger or a stay at a Holiday Inn awesome.
 
I look at Grady like I look at Kraft's macaroni and cheese, and Campbell's soup. They're good and in my food pantry, and I eat them but, it's not like Grady is as great as a Chicago deep dish pizza, or a Chris Ruth 20 oz ribeye. I'm never going to call Campbell's soup or a McDonald's hamburger or a stay at a Holiday Inn awesome.
I've had some nights at the Holiday Inn that were awesome...she was great!
 
I've had some nights at the Holiday Inn that were awesome...she was great!


but for me, if I was asked, I would probably say it was OK on a public message board, and tell the Holiday Inn individual my real feelings in private.
 
but for me, if I was asked, I would probably say it was OK on a public message board, and tell the Holiday Inn individual my real feelings in private.
Ah, the ID is speaking. The interpretation does not have to be sexual. It may very well mean...what a great conversationalist on the pros and cons of a man defense or a whole host of other things. The chasm was quite wide if which you jumped...reflecting your mind being in the gutter and mine being unknown. ;)
 
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Andy - you pointed out one game. Grady played because Haas fouled out. if Haas hadn't fouled out, how much would Grady have played in that game? Grady came in , did his job, and we won the game. but in that game, the guy who caught my attention most was Haas on offense. to me, to heap praise on Grady for his contributions would be to diminish my praise for Haas. if I said Grady was great and awesome in that game, what adjectives should I use to describe Haas? A lot of questions were swirling around Haas before the start of the season as to could he step up his game to replace part of the void left by Biggie. And Haas answered his critics with a statement game.
No. In very few words, I pointed out that Grady played very well and with impact in every minute he played in exhibition and WUG games. You claim you watched one game, wrote a thousand disconnected words, but said nothing.

Praising Grady diminishes Haas? Incredible.
 
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