Grigson

[BoilerBulldog]

For every Trent Richardson, there's a Vontae Davis.

And goodness knows they had too many healthy receivers out there running around full speed this season.

For every Vontae Davis, there's a Greg Toler. Trent Cole. Todd Herremans. Andre Johnson. Art Jones. Philip Dorsett. Every OL signee he's ever had. Etc.

Grigson is a disaster. And this is his last GM role. Hopefully it ends tomorrow.

Indy went 11-5 in back to back years for one reason. Andrew Luck.

 

[Born Boiler]

People like Pagano. Easily understandable. And when so many think he's the one likely to be sent out the door first, then the hate turns to Grigson, whose public style is to stay aloof because he has to manage the personnel and can't afford to get personal.

On the other hand, the Colts went 11-5 in that first year when Chuck couldn't even be around. (He had bigger wins to get.) They tabbed a fairly decent interim coach (some guy named Arians) and wound up with one of the biggest turnarounds in NFL history.

I'd like to see Grigson and Pagano both stay, hammer things out as they usually have and prove to people that one break-even year loaded with a mountain pile of injuries shouldn't negate three straight very good years.

 

[BoilerBulldog]

And to try and offset Richardson with Davis, who had one great year and was only decent this year is a joke. The Richardson trade is one of the all time worst trades ever made in the NFL and will still be what Grigson is known for 20 years from now.

 

[Born Boiler]

For every Vontae Davis, there's a Greg Toler. Trent Cole. Todd Herremans. Andre Johnson. Art Jones. Philip Dorsett. Every OL signee he's ever had. Etc.

Grigson is a disaster. And this is his last GM role. Hopefully it ends tomorrow.

Indy went 11-5 in back to back years for one reason. Andrew Luck.

Johnson's last catch prevented a losing season. Not bad for an old man playing hurt.

And you have utterly no sense of a disaster ... or much else for that matter.

 

[BoilerBulldog]

And to try and offset Richardson with Davis, who had one great year and was only decent this year is a joke. The Richardson trade is one of the all time worst trades ever made in the NFL and will still be what Grigson is known for 20 years from now.

 

[BoilerBulldog]

Johnson's last catch prevented a losing season. Not bad for an old man playing hurt.

And you have utterly no sense of a disaster ... or much else for that matter.

41 catches. And Grigson only owes him 8 figures for the next couple of years. Texans told him he'd only get 40 catches if he'd stayed in Texas. Shows what Rick Smith knows.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

What he's done with the Colts? He took over a 2-14 team and built three straight 11-5 seasons, winning the NFL Executive of the Year trophy in the process. Now they've finished 8-8 without their star and after going five deep in quarterbacks with another dozen players on injured reserve.

Quit reading those IU hacks at the rag Star and use your Purdue common sense. It's not Grigson's job to be popular, especially not in the locker room. He can't get tied to the players. He has to shuffle them and the roster all year every year.

And his results have been a helluva lot better than the NFL norm.

Google the Colts 2013 and 2014 drafts. Awful.

Not to mention his free agency moves: gosder cherilus, Donald Thomas, art jones, andre Johnson, Trent cole, todd herremans, LaRon Landry, etc, etc, etc....

 

[Summy1]

If Grigson is still around I wonder who he will draft with this years 18th pick? Most likely another bust

 

[RegionWarrior101]

If Grigson is still around I wonder who he will draft with this years 18th pick? Most likely another bust

Who is a 2nd round WR talent? Maybe a guy no taller than 5'10"? That is his guy. OR who is an underachieving RB... Could trade a few picks for that.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

If Grigson is still around I wonder who he will draft with this years 18th pick? Most likely another bust

Well looks like he and Chuck are both coming back.

 

[DG10]

The lone reason that Pagano's job was in jeopardy was because of the poor job that Grigson has done...there is absolutely no way that Pagano could have been let go and there been any justification at all for retaining Grigson. His failure to address the need for OL help is inexcusable...his conscious decision to not do so is what should have led to his being fired.

 

[D A Y]

And to try and offset Richardson with Davis, who had one great year and was only decent this year is a joke. The Richardson trade is one of the all time worst trades ever made in the NFL and will still be what Grigson is known for 20 years from now.

The Browns drafted Manziel with that pick for what it is worth. Grigson would have just drafted another punt returner that can't catch.

 

[DG10]

Well looks like he and Chuck are both coming back.

How in the world do you go from not getting an extension before the season...then having a less than stellar season...multiple reports of your not returning...to a 4-year new deal? Crazy...

 

[nat100]

How in the world do you go from not getting an extension before the season...then having a less than stellar season...multiple reports of your not returning...to a 4-year new deal? Crazy...

Too many openings this off season. Colts dont want to compete with SF, NYG, Philly for candidates.

Truthfully, who are the top tier guys this year? Gase? Marone?

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Too many openings this off season. Colts dont want to compete with SF, NYG, Philly for candidates.

Truthfully, who are the top tier guys this year? Gase? Marone?

I think the Colts job would have been the 2nd best one open, behind NY, because of Luck. I think irsay could have gotten one of Saban, Payton, or Gruden, which were supposedly going to be the top 3 candidates. But none of them probably would have wanted to work with Grigson.

 

[DG10]

Too many openings this off season. Colts dont want to compete with SF, NYG, Philly for candidates.

Truthfully, who are the top tier guys this year? Gase? Marone?

There are other guys certainly...or will be...and while there are some other good/appealing openings, Luck himself makes the Colts opening very desirable/attractive, and in conjunction with being in a division that you are virtually guaranteed to win on an annual basis, hard to imagine that competing to find a coach was a primary concern. In addition, when Pagano was not offered an extension beyond a year going into the year, and given how the season started, hard to imagine that wheels were not already turning to find a replacement and discuss the matter...ultimately, I just am stunned not only that both are back, but that both are back with new 4-year contracts...knowing that the likelihood of Pagano returning was seemingly very slim at best with the likelihood of Grigson returning only being slightly better and then both coming back now for 4 more years is just crazy to me.

 

[Summy1]

You think going 8-8 this season with most the games without luck isn't good? I think pagano did a good job considering.

 

[BoilerBiker]

Colts were not getting saban, gruden, Payton, etc.
That seems as dilusional as Irish fans thinking any candidate would want to coach there.
Someone likely made irsay realize this and they resigned pagano, there was no one else both better and willing.
Who wants to work for both grigson and crazy-man irsay?
(Maybe just maybe Payton but he'd likely clash with mgmt more than anyone).
I'm surprised pagano even wants to stay the way he's been treated.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Colts were not getting saban, gruden, Payton, etc.
That seems as dilusional as Irish fans thinking any candidate would want to coach there.
Someone likely made irsay realize this and they resigned pagano, there was no one else both better and willing.
Who wants to work for both grigson and crazy-man irsay?
(Maybe just maybe Payton but he'd likely clash with mgmt more than anyone).
I'm surprised pagano even wants to stay the way he's been treated.

That was my point: none of those guys were coming IF Grigson was still around. Supposedly Saban had some level of interest, but we will never know now. Irsay has issues, but he knows more about football than any owner in the league, is a genuinely nice guy, and will write whatever check is needed, when its needed.

And you cannot underestimate the value of having Luck here, as far as attracting a new coach. The QB position is the first thing coaches look at when evaluating an NFL job these days. That's why I think NYG is the best job open.

 

[nat100]

That was my point: none of those guys were coming IF Grigson was still around. Supposedly Saban had some level of interest, but we will never know now. Irsay has issues, but he knows more about football than any owner in the league, is a genuinely nice guy, and will write whatever check is needed, when its needed.

And you cannot underestimate the value of having Luck here, as far as attracting a new coach. The QB position is the first thing coaches look at when evaluating an NFL job these days. That's why I think NYG is the best job open.

Saban wont leave Bama. He wants to control everything and he knows he cant do it in the pros. Gruden makes coach money at ESPN and has a surprisingly prohibitive buyout. Payton is still under contract and i dont see the colts trading a pick for a coach. JMO

As far as attractiveness, Luck aside, SF and NYG are better gigs. Ownership is as important as the QB and Irsay turns people off.

 

[pb1941]

That was my point: none of those guys were coming IF Grigson was still around. Supposedly Saban had some level of interest, but we will never know now. Irsay has issues, but he knows more about football than any owner in the league, is a genuinely nice guy, and will write whatever check is needed, when its needed.

And you cannot underestimate the value of having Luck here, as far as attracting a new coach. The QB position is the first thing coaches look at when evaluating an NFL job these days. That's why I think NYG is the best job open.

Colts wanted Hazell but he wanted one more year at Purdue.So they are stuck with Pagano,our gain their loss!!!

 

[BoilerBulldog]

You couldn't fire Pagano without firing Grigson. I think Pagano pleading for his job saved both of them. I just hope he got assurances from Irsay that Pagano will have 100% control over who plays and sits and he should get more input on roster moves, draft, etc. I'm skeptical that these guys magically hugged and all is forgiven between the two.

 

[SIBoiler2]

I have the feeling Pagano was going to stay because Irsay didn't have any better choices to replace him. Grigson was spared because Pagano was willing to work with him. I'm betting Grigson has his hands tied a lot more than Pagano by this deal. If Pagano fails Grigson is gone with the way the contract is set up now so he'd be a more arrogant fool than I believe him to be to not put together Pagano's team now.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Saban wont leave Bama. He wants to control everything and he knows he cant do it in the pros. Gruden makes coach money at ESPN and has a surprisingly prohibitive buyout. Payton is still under contract and i dont see the colts trading a pick for a coach. JMO

As far as attractiveness, Luck aside, SF and NYG are better gigs. Ownership is as important as the QB and Irsay turns people off.

Don't know about that. Paul Finebaum said that Saban would have considered the Colts or Giants jobs, assuming he wins Monday, and also that he would get personnel control. I would assume the reason for that is they have QBs and the other open jobs don't.

And working for Jed York is not exactly a selling point, especially with Gabbert as your QB.

 

[nat100]

Don't know about that. Paul Finebaum said that Saban would have considered the Colts or Giants jobs, assuming he wins Monday, and also that he would get personnel control. I would assume the reason for that is they have QBs and the other open jobs don't.

And working for Jed York is not exactly a selling point, especially with Gabbert as your QB.

They'll most likely have a chance to take lynch or Goff

I still don't see him leaving.

 

[BoilerBulldog]

Don't know about that. Paul Finebaum said that Saban would have considered the Colts or Giants jobs, assuming he wins Monday, and also that he would get personnel control. I would assume the reason for that is they have QBs and the other open jobs don't.

And working for Jed York is not exactly a selling point, especially with Gabbert as your QB.

Reports were Colts and Payton were talking during the same time Pagano was meeting with Irsay but didn't get anywhere. That may have played a role in keeping Pagano too.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

They'll most likely have a chance to take lynch or Goff

I still don't see him leaving.

At 64, I don't see Saban wanting to mess around with unproven QBs. I still wouldn't rule out the Giants making a run at him.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Reports were Colts and Payton were talking during the same time Pagano was meeting with Irsay but didn't get anywhere. That may have played a role in keeping Pagano too.

Kravitz said the saints wanted a 2nd rounder for him, and that Payton wanted a raise from his current $8 mil per year.

 

[ahhculdee]

Saban wont leave Bama. He wants to control everything and he knows he cant do it in the pros. Gruden makes coach money at ESPN and has a surprisingly prohibitive buyout. Payton is still under contract and i dont see the colts trading a pick for a coach. JMO

As far as attractiveness, Luck aside, SF and NYG are better gigs. Ownership is as important as the QB and Irsay turns people off.

Good ownership and 49ers in the same sentence??? Have you been paying attention recently, like at all the last two years???

 

[nat100]

Good ownership and 49ers in the same sentence??? Have you been paying attention recently, like at all the last two years???

Two years doesn't negate what he did in the previous 10. Harbaugh was a shitshow and I have no idea what they were doing with tomasula.

The rash of retirements just decimated that team, that isn't on ownership