@GoodmanESPN: All signs pointing to Caleb Swanigan and Ivan Rabb heading to Cal, sources told ESPN. Right now, that's where they are heading to play.
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That has been the thought for awhile now. And really, I am not upset that CS is going elsewhere, as Painter's history tells me he would. If that is indeed how it plays out.
What makes it interesting if it goes that way, that it does not take long to extrapolate that if ZO was our coach Biggie and apparently other big time players would be headed to WL. ZO gets it done, as this is not the first 5 star he has successfully recruited to schools he has coached. Interesting to think about.....
What makes it interesting if it goes that way, that it does not take long to extrapolate that if ZO was our coach Biggie and apparently other big time players would be headed to WL. ZO gets it done, as this is not the first 5 star he has successfully recruited to schools he has coached. Interesting to think about.....
There is zero evidence to support that because Zo is offering a package deal where he may not of had that option here at Purdue.
People sure do like to stretch things on here ....
I wish this board would go silent on this kid and CMP about his choice. All it does is give great enjoyment to our rivals. I believe CMP put the work in, probably much more than Zo. I don't think the kid had any intention of going to Purdue, I just wish he would have eliminated Purdue a long time ago.
I'm a little leery of Swanigan anyhow. Just appears to me he has a bit of a prima donna attitude and somewhat of a posse around him. But on the otherhand Painter seems to be aware of all this and still aggressively pursuing him. Also at one point he was going to move to Utah in his high school career so does he have some relatives out west. ?
It gives great enjoyment to Swanigan who yesterday or the day before essentially tweeted no one knows.
I like Zo as much as anyone, but hasn't he missed tourney 7 of last 8 years? Painter is in 7 of 9 and gets killed on here. Painter took over a team that was worst in purdue history. Remember, keady took over a final four team.
Two Purdue basketball alums, Eugene Parker and Roosevelt Barnes, on again off again partners in one of the most prominent sports agency businesses in the country - - his posse or handlers...Barnes, his legal guardian.
Listen to Dakich sometime when the subject of Fort Wayne basketball comes up - - he won't hide his true feelings about the dealings of Fort Wayne kids in big-time basketball/athletics the past couple of decades. Having Spiece in Fort Wayne's backyard certainly hasn't helped the hangers-on situation here and now the AWP folks have become very active in Fort Wayne - - for some reason, a group of Purdue non-respectors (haters is too strong of a word). The number of people that hang around these two places and try to sidle up to good young athletes is amazing...
3 seperate businesses, at least one (AWP) with an anti-Purdue bias. The reasons, not sure, but Purdue in general does not have as good of a reputation as a large landgrant in-state University should have in Fort Wayne. Disliking Purdue is part of the culture here -- it just is. Having worked with high school students and having lived here most of my life that sentiment gets amplified in the local media. Way more difficult than you would think to walk into a Ft Wayne Wal-Mart or Meijer store and buy much more than a Purdue T-shirt. But the IU and ND item availability is quite plentiful.
I think it takes just one kid - - I hope that it is Caleb Swanigan - - to begin to change all of this. People who know him tell me he is a genuinely fine young man and hard worker. If you're a believer, say a prayer on this one - - because losing this one will really hurt.
Listen to Dakich sometime when the subject of Fort Wayne basketball comes up - - he won't hide his true feelings about the dealings of Fort Wayne kids in big-time basketball/athletics the past couple of decades. Having Spiece in Fort Wayne's backyard certainly hasn't helped the hangers-on situation here and now the AWP folks have become very active in Fort Wayne - - for some reason, a group of Purdue non-respectors (haters is too strong of a word). The number of people that hang around these two places and try to sidle up to good young athletes is amazing...
3 seperate businesses, at least one (AWP) with an anti-Purdue bias. The reasons, not sure, but Purdue in general does not have as good of a reputation as a large landgrant in-state University should have in Fort Wayne. Disliking Purdue is part of the culture here -- it just is. Having worked with high school students and having lived here most of my life that sentiment gets amplified in the local media. Way more difficult than you would think to walk into a Ft Wayne Wal-Mart or Meijer store and buy much more than a Purdue T-shirt. But the IU and ND item availability is quite plentiful.
I think it takes just one kid - - I hope that it is Caleb Swanigan - - to begin to change all of this. People who know him tell me he is a genuinely fine young man and hard worker. If you're a believer, say a prayer on this one - - because losing this one will really hurt.
Not a stretch, ZO has ALREADY landed 5 stars prior to this event @ hillbilly junction TN....so saying there is zero evidence he would do this here is just wrong.
ZO's 5 star recrord or recruiting already
Plus up until recently Painter hasn't really had the cash flow I don't think to really put in the effort he should have if he was properly funded. If we don't land Biggie then it won't be for lack of effort by the staff. And Purdue most certainly was a serious consideration with Biggie.
Assuming we're talking about basketball, I'm not sure I'd agree with that. Purdue's program has had much more historical success than Tennessee. And in recent times, UT basketball is as much known for being the team Bruce Pearl got put on probation as it is anything else. Newly hired head coach Rick Barnes is generally thought to be one of the more underachieving coaches in the country in terms of team output as compared to talent input. Additionally, the men's basketball team isn't even second-fiddle at that university, they're third, behind the football team and the Lady Vols. Unless you're UK, football is all that matters in the SEC.
And speaking of UK, playing them once (or potentially twice) during the season is basically the lone highlight of the year for UT, because the rest of the league is a bunch of also-rans. I suppose that could change in the near future with the SEC seemingly getting some upgrades in coaching here recently, but come on, there is no way that Tennessee men's program compares to Purdue and the B1G. They get a little less snow down there, I'll give you that (even though I'm not sure you mean climate when you said "surroundings"). But short of extremes like San Diego vs. Anchorage, I don't think weather is as much a deal as some people think it is. Certainly not enough of a difference between the likes of WL and Knoxville. I've not been to UT campus, but I can't imagine it just blows Purdue's away.
This post was edited on 4/10 2:58 PM by Statey
I count 3 strikes in your statement. I think you're out!
1. Painter hasn't had the money to get top players. 2014, UNLV gets the #8 and #15 ranked kids. Dave Rice makes like 300 or 400k. Seton Hall landed the #16 kid in 2014 and I doubt they have tons of funds. Chris Mack of Xavier landed #34 Blueitt over CMP last year and he made 860k last year. Plenty of lesser or equal programs with coaches who are paid less or the same as Painter and have pretty equal recruting tools land big time talent.
2. I don't think anyone would say Painter is lacking effort. It's the results in recruiting that matter. If I try really hard at sales but never get good results should I get the commission regardless?
3. Many on here like to think we were 2nd for Harris, Blueitt, Dawson and every other top tier player CMP has recruited, but it just isn't true. If we were 2nd for all of those good players surely one would pick us at some point. I'm sure we will hear tomorrow that we were 2nd for Swanigan from some on here. It's not for lack of effort, but something with Painter and really talented kids just doesn't resonate. That's a big problem for a program with final 4 aspirations.
Sometimes it's really not that complicated.
Martin got 2 five star commitments while at Tennessee. Do you know where both were from? Tennessee! And they both knew eachother!
Half of recruiting is luck. If those 2 guys lived in Kansas, zero chance they go to Tennessee.
Not saying Martin isn't a good recruiter. But sometimes we get way into the weeds on things when it's really not that complicated. Half of recruiting is being in the right place at the right time. That's how Wisconsin got Dekker. He was from Wisconsin and had offers from small schools when Wisconsin offered him. He committed within 24 hours and then grew from a quasi-3 star player to a 5 star player over the next 2 years. It's not like Bo out-recruited Duke for him, just was in the right place at the right time.
Also would point out that outside those 2, most of Martin's recruits were 3 star players.
This post was edited on 4/10 1:35 PM by lbodel
Martin got 2 five star commitments while at Tennessee. Do you know where both were from? Tennessee! And they both knew eachother!
Half of recruiting is luck. If those 2 guys lived in Kansas, zero chance they go to Tennessee.
Not saying Martin isn't a good recruiter. But sometimes we get way into the weeds on things when it's really not that complicated. Half of recruiting is being in the right place at the right time. That's how Wisconsin got Dekker. He was from Wisconsin and had offers from small schools when Wisconsin offered him. He committed within 24 hours and then grew from a quasi-3 star player to a 5 star player over the next 2 years. It's not like Bo out-recruited Duke for him, just was in the right place at the right time.
Also would point out that outside those 2, most of Martin's recruits were 3 star players.
This post was edited on 4/10 1:35 PM by lbodel
I hae to be negative and I hope Im wrong, but I think we are only still on the list out of respect to Barnes, just like CSU was kept on the list so long. I thunk the simple fact is Purdue will never land a top 5* recruit. We dont have the history or recent success like Duke, UNC, IU, LU, MSU. Even if next year we made the FF or even won an NC it would be chalked up as a one and done. Until Purdue can have continued success, we will have to rely on finding guys that fit our system and get 3* & 4* that end up being 4* and 5*. Doesnt mean we should stop going after these guys, but Ive come to the conclusion that unless the above happens no big time recruit will come to Purdue! BTFU!
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There is no joy.
I don't think anyone seriously thought Swanigan would end up at Purdue. I would have thought Duke would be in the lead among others.
I stopped paying attention to him when I heard he would only consider a Nike school. That smells of outside "help" that people like World Wide Wes gives to recruits that end up at Nike schools.
I saw him play in the State Championship game. He argued every call. He was lucky not to get a technical foul.
I don't think anyone seriously thought Swanigan would end up at Purdue. I would have thought Duke would be in the lead among others.
I stopped paying attention to him when I heard he would only consider a Nike school. That smells of outside "help" that people like World Wide Wes gives to recruits that end up at Nike schools.
I saw him play in the State Championship game. He argued every call. He was lucky not to get a technical foul.
I think you need a nap.
1. If you don't see the difference the money has made in recruiting now that he has it, then I can't help you.
2. Never get good results? Haas, Edwards, AJH and Mathias would all disagree.
3. I can tell you with near 100% certainty that Purdue was very much in the mix and that the deal that Cal put forward changed it more than anything.
Painter has already landed talented kids and has the pieces in place for them to be very good. I get you will never see that since you are very anti-Painter, but that doesn't change reality. Sorry.
Re: There is no joy.
For what its worth, one of Martin's 5 stars was pretty good (Stokes) and the other has been a major disappointment (Hubbs). Haas, Edwards, Hammons will all have better college careers than both those guys. Neither of those guys was anywhere close to as good as Hummel, Johnson or Moore.
For what its worth, one of Martin's 5 stars was pretty good (Stokes) and the other has been a major disappointment (Hubbs). Haas, Edwards, Hammons will all have better college careers than both those guys. Neither of those guys was anywhere close to as good as Hummel, Johnson or Moore.
Welp. As long as Painter is the coach, Purdue will be respectable, but there is a cap on how good they can be. The man just doesn't identify well enough with these kids to get the big fish.
"And SEC"?? What does that mean, exactly??
A bunch of crooked community clown colleges that suck at basketball (save UK and sometimes FL)?? Bc that's what "and SEC" means to me.
Originally posted by krs84:
Two Purdue basketball alums, Eugene Parker and Roosevelt Barnes, on again off again partners in one of the most prominent sports agency businesses in the country - - his posse or handlers...Barnes, his legal guardian.
Listen to Dakich sometime when the subject of Fort Wayne basketball comes up - - he won't hide his true feelings about the dealings of Fort Wayne kids in big-time basketball/athletics the past couple of decades. Having Spiece in Fort Wayne's backyard certainly hasn't helped the hangers-on situation here and now the AWP folks have become very active in Fort Wayne - - for some reason, a group of Purdue non-respectors (haters is too strong of a word). The number of people that hang around these two places and try to sidle up to good young athletes is amazing...
3 seperate businesses, at least one (AWP) with an anti-Purdue bias. The reasons, not sure, but Purdue in general does not have as good of a reputation as a large landgrant in-state University should have in Fort Wayne. Disliking Purdue is part of the culture here -- it just is. Having worked with high school students and having lived here most of my life that sentiment gets amplified in the local media. Way more difficult than you would think to walk into a Ft Wayne Wal-Mart or Meijer store and buy much more than a Purdue T-shirt. But the IU and ND item availability is quite plentiful.
I think it takes just one kid - - I hope that it is Caleb Swanigan - - to begin to change all of this. People who know him tell me he is a genuinely fine young man and hard worker. If you're a believer, say a prayer on this one - - because losing this one will really hurt.[/QUOTE]
Could Cuonzo @ PUR as HC supersede all of that??
Bc obviously/apparently, they have no problem with Caleb heading to Cal.
This post was edited on 4/10 2:29 PM by Cleanface
The problem with Coach Painters recruiting is he is brutally honest and today's top tier players don't want that. They want to be played up to and their ego's inflated. And I, for one, am totally ok with being honest.
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I know this is what fans want to believe, but how would you know if this is the case or not? I follow college hoops a lot (including outside of Purdue) and I don't hear story after story of some kid saying the coach lied to him or wasn't honest about what he could or couldn't do in college. Like you, I suspect Painter is a good guy and doesn't mislead kids, I'm just not as sure that other coaches are guilty of this, and/or that its an epidemic amongst college coaches. If what you're suggesting is true, why was (is) Purdue in so deep with G. Harris (and C. Swanigan, who hasn't even decided yet, btw). These are just examples, of course, but I guess I don't get the deal with people wanting to believe every other coach is a lying slime ball. If all the other coaches are duping kids into playing for them and kids are having terrible experiences at the school/coach they chose, where are the stories of this - wouldn't they be everywhere and easy to find? And I'm talking about relatively upper-level recruits, not all the fringe top-300 kids that aren't happy with their PT situation, etc. and transfer.
This post was edited on 4/10 3:00 PM by Statey
We've literally missed on 10+ top 50 kids over the past several years... I just tossed out a few. Every time, there is someone who says "Painter was really close" or "Purdue was 2nd" or "We almost got him!" Once or twice Brian has even gotten caught up in it and predicted Purdue, just to see the kid go elsewhere (I think he has since quit predicting, although I haven't been a premium member for a while). Just saying it's extremely unlikely that we are finishing 2nd all of those times. If that many kids liked us that much, surely we'd get some of that better talent.
Talk to Noah Vonleh and his circle.
So happy they announced his draft intentions without bothering to tell the coach first
Since Painters pay increase, he got the 2013 class. Stephens and Smotherman are bench players after 2 years. Scott left and could have been a solid PG for us next year, or at the least a momentum changer at times like this past year. Results so far... below average. This COULD change if CMP can coach Stephens up, who I believe has a ton of potential, but so far, this class hasn't been very impressive. 2014 class- Above average to Good. Haas could have started this year and been an above average B1G center as a freshman, Edwards looks like potential special player or at least a good starter for 4 years, Thompson seems like a role player who doesn't have a high ceiling but will be a reliable backup PG and Taylor is TBD but seems like a career role player. Purely speculation as these kids have time to change either way. 2015- Below average to poor. We got 3 star Cline over no one or at least Rivals shows he had some interest but no other offers and 3 star Weatherford over Ohio and Ball State. Could they be good, sure, but 3 star players under Painter have turned out to be average or worse more often than not, and based on their other offers, I'm not impressed with the recruiting. He has no one in 2016, but 1 3 star PG decommitted. Results are obviously inconclusive.
In my opinion, an average 3 man class should produce a very good starter for multiple years, a solid starter for multiple years, and a solid bench player for multiple years. That should be average and hopefully more classes are above average than below. So since his raise, he has a below average class in 13, an above average to good class depending on who does what in 2014, and a below average class (on paper, it's all we can judge by right now) in 2015. That might be better than 2008-2011, but it is still not enough for a program that wants to do more than win a conference championship every decade and I don't see how you can logically talk about his recruiting being good.
I'm not saying he hasn't had any good results, obviously we have had some good players. Just his overall recruiting results have not been very good.
That may be a good example. Not sure what the deal was, but definitely seemed to be some friction between player/coach at the end of that year. But does friction mean Crean lied to him to get him to commit? My guess was the friction was as much about Crean just being a weirdo and not being able to communicate any semblance of clear direction/instruction to his team, but I don't know. Regardless, my overall point remains.... if this is an epidemic, why isn't it out there? Is every top player (that were all lied to) secretly protecting their former coaches long after making the NBA and afraid to talk about this? It just seems like a stretch to me, that's all.
This post was edited on 4/10 3:37 PM by Statey
To me it sounds as if he is still undecided
http://www.oregonlive.com/recruiting/index.ssf/2015/04/caleb_swanigan_5-star_center_e.html[/URL]
http://www.oregonlive.com/recruiting/index.ssf/2015/04/caleb_swanigan_5-star_center_e.html[/URL]
Funny I was just about to post a link that takes you to that article. Not only is he announcing via twitter, from his own mouth it does appear he is still undecided and talking to coaches.
He may go to Cal yet, but Goodman is basically only speculating it seems.
