Good Win But Terrible Last Possession In Regulation

[BoilerInChiTown]

Good win Boiler but still can't get over the last terrible possession in regulation.
After a time out and Painter call the last play and we can't even get a shot off after a set play called and after a time out?
This is like the third time I remembering this happening this season. I like Painter but that's how you lose games when you can't get a shot off after a time out with a set play.
We seems to wait too long to start the play. Seems like we wait until less than 10 seconds to start the play, when I think it should start around the 12 second mark.

Thoughts? Anyway enjoy the win and let's get ready for the LOOSIERS.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

Good win Boiler but still can't get over the last terrible possession in regulation.
After a time out and Painter call the last play and we can't even get a shot off after a set play called and after a time out?
This is like the third time I remembering this happening this season. I like Painter but that's how you lose games when you can't get a shot off after a time out with a set play.
We seems to wait too long to start the play. Seems like we wait until less than 10 seconds to start the play, when I think it should start around the 12 second mark.

Thoughts? Anyway enjoy the win and let's get ready for the LOOSIERS.

Timing can be tricky. Against Rutgers, Purdue had a great last possession but gave Rutgers time to score. I get what you are saying though.

 

[mathboy]

Good win Boiler but still can't get over the last terrible possession in regulation.
After a time out and Painter call the last play and we can't even get a shot off after a set play called and after a time out?
This is like the third time I remembering this happening this season. I like Painter but that's how you lose games when you can't get a shot off after a time out with a set play.
We seems to wait too long to start the play. Seems like we wait until less than 10 seconds to start the play, when I think it should start around the 12 second mark.

Thoughts? Anyway enjoy the win and let's get ready for the LOOSIERS.

Sometimes the other team guesses right and foils our play. It happens.

 

[MilwaukeeBoilerFan]

Sometimes the other team guesses right and foils our play. It happens.

If Sasha’s would hit his F.T.’s at 90% season avg vs <50% today, we’d have won in regulation.
He did play a solid game with 22 pts and critical 3’s to get Purdue the win…so won’t come down too hard on him. 😀
Last possession in regulation should have been worked into Edey. My $.02

 

[Spinn]

If Sasha’s would hit his F.T.’s at 90% season avg vs <50% today, we’d have won in regulation.
He did play a solid game with 22 pts and critical 3’s to get Purdue the win…so won’t come down too hard on him. 😀
Last possession in regulation should have been worked into Edey. My $.02

Ivey missed the one and one with a few seconds left in regulation that would of sealed it.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

If Sasha’s would hit his F.T.’s at 90% season avg vs <50% today, we’d have won in regulation.
He did play a solid game with 22 pts and critical 3’s to get Purdue the win…so won’t come down too hard on him. 😀
Last possession in regulation should have been worked into Edey. My $.02

Sasha was cold from the line, but hot from 3. I’ll take that trade off every time.

 

[tjreese]

Good win Boiler but still can't get over the last terrible possession in regulation.
After a time out and Painter call the last play and we can't even get a shot off after a set play called and after a time out?
This is like the third time I remembering this happening this season. I like Painter but that's how you lose games when you can't get a shot off after a time out with a set play.
We seems to wait too long to start the play. Seems like we wait until less than 10 seconds to start the play, when I think it should start around the 12 second mark.

Thoughts? Anyway enjoy the win and let's get ready for the LOOSIERS.

It is and always has been about execution. There are advantages to 10 seconds and 12 seconds, but 2 seconds is not what blows up a set in the huddle. Had Sasha had 2 more seconds to go...he wasn't going anywhere. Actually the end of reg and both ends of OT could have been much better. I'm more interested in why Purdue didn't try to deny Curbello (sp?) the ball to eat another 5 seconds or so towards the end of both reg and OT.

 

[Wolegib]

i prefer Ft shooting over 3 point shooting. With a guy like edey, you can miss your 3 pointers all day and it should be an easy put back. or why not go inside for that last shot wit h an alley oop? they had teh size advantage / mismatch, the y should have taken advantage of it.

Clutch F t shooting would have won this game before regulation ended.

 

[tjreese]

i prefer Ft shooting over 3 point shooting. With a guy like edey, you can miss your 3 pointers all day and it should be an easy put back. or why not go inside for that last shot wit h an alley oop? they had teh size advantage / mismatch, the y should have taken advantage of it.

Clutch F t shooting would have won this game before regulation ended.

yes, FT shooting would have sealed it

 

[MilwaukeeBoilerFan]

Ivey missed the one and one with a few seconds left in regulation that would of sealed it.

True. Sasha missed 3 for sure, possibly 4th. I didn’t check his stats.

 

[DAG10]

If Sasha’s would hit his F.T.’s at 90% season avg vs <50% today, we’d have won in regulation.
He did play a solid game with 22 pts and critical 3’s to get Purdue the win…so won’t come down too hard on him. 😀
Last possession in regulation should have been worked into Edey. My $.02

Ball has to get to at least Ivey or Edey, if not both...to have neither touch it and never get closer than 25' was brutal...see something like that and makes one appreciate Shrewsberry all the more, as, the stuff he came up with was virtual genius at times at the end of a game or for a final possession.

 

[DAG10]

True. Sasha missed 3 for sure, possibly 4th. I didn’t check his stats.

Sasha missed 4 and Ivey missed the front end of a 1-and-1 at the end of regulation that allowed Illinois to subsequently score and get it to OT.

Purdue was fairly solid on the day at the line, especially by their standards, but, they missed some critical ones before the final OT.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

True. Sasha missed 3 for sure, possibly 4th. I didn’t check his stats.

5/9....split three trips (including the flagrant) and missed the last of three

JI - 13/15

Purdue 26/32 (Edey (2/2), Williams (2/2), and Hunter (4/4))

 

[tjreese]

5/9....split three trips (including the flagrant) and missed the last of three

JI - 13/15

Purdue 26/32 (Edey (2/2), Williams (2/2), and Hunter (4/4))

I'm a little stuck on why Jaden settled for a three. Purdue was in the bonus and he only had 1 really flaky FT that went in. You can say 4/10 times he hits the 3, but if the ref doesn't swallow his whistle...I like careful penetration...possible foul...close shot....potential rebound. Course, Ill figured he would drive as well and so we don't know the best choice, but I probably lean to careful probing under control for the shot or kick...

Purdue played a good game, but we all can see with a little improvement and the same fight the boilers can be pretty good.

 

[bonefish1]

I think any final possession has to be Ivey with the ball. Run isolation and let him get to the rim, have the other guys crash the offensive glass and get a out back since Ivey will draw the shot blockers.
I was really surprised he settled for a long 3 on that final possession in OT. Looked like he was gassed.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

I'm a little stuck on why Jaden settled for a three. Purdue was in the bonus and he only had 1 really flaky FT that went in. You can say 4/10 times he hits the 3, but if the ref doesn't swallow his whistle...I like careful penetration...possible foul...close shot....potential rebound. Course, Ill figured he would drive as well and so we don't know the best choice, but I probably lean to careful probing under control for the shot or kick...

Purdue played a good game, but we all can see with a little improvement and the same fight the boilers can be pretty good.

He went for the Ohio State dagger from last year, but I agree, there was more time to do something more high percentage when they inbounded. Once he took so much time to get up the court, that's what was left. Sadly, it was 10x a better look than at the end of regulation.

 

[DAG10]

I think any final possession has to be Ivey with the ball. Run isolation and let him get to the rim, have the other guys crash the offensive glass and get a out back since Ivey will draw the shot blockers.
I was really surprised he settled for a long 3 on that final possession in OT. Looked like he was gassed.

He almost forced himself to settle in that it started in the backcourt where he had no urgency at all to advance the ball...I was screaming at the television that he needed to "go"...he held the ball and was walking it up almost with 6 seconds remaining...it was going to be almost impossible to do anything other than what he did as a result and was just a very difficult thing to understand.

 

[Abugabby]

Ivey missed the one and one with a few seconds left in regulation that would of sealed it.

I don't know about that. Illinois was bombing from three...they probably would have drilled it at the buzzer.

 

[tjreese]

I don't know about that. Illinois was bombing from three...they probably would have drilled it at the buzzer.

I can't recall...was it the second FT that would have given a 3 pt lead?

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

I can't recall...was it the second FT that would have given a 3 pt lead?

Purdue was up two, and JI missed a front end, so potentially Purdue could have been up four with 26 seconds left.....not automatic from there, especially if Illinois made a three to cut it to one, but Purdue would have had the upper hand. Candidly, after the miss, I thought Illinois was going to hit a three to win it.

That dang Boilerepherine.....you can never totally rid yourself of it, but I've learned to cope....for the most part.

 

[rgarlitz]

Sasha was cold from the line, but hot from 3. I’ll take that trade off every time.

i prefer Ft shooting over 3 point shooting. With a guy like edey, you can miss your 3 pointers all day and it should be an easy put back. or why not go inside for that last shot wit h an alley oop? they had teh size advantage / mismatch, the y should have taken advantage of it.

Clutch F t shooting would have won this game before regulation ended.

Depends on the player, IMHO. BoilerDaddy mentioned Sasha. Yeah, outside shooting probably is more important for a guy who shoots a lot of 3s but only occasionally drives toward the hoop. Now, Edey, on the other hand... That guy better be able to knock down some clutch free throws. Also, it seems like missed threes rarely result in put backs. The rebounds are usually longer than that.

 

[POTFHBTFU]

Good win Boiler but still can't get over the last terrible possession in regulation.
After a time out and Painter call the last play and we can't even get a shot off after a set play called and after a time out?
This is like the third time I remembering this happening this season. I like Painter but that's how you lose games when you can't get a shot off after a time out with a set play.
We seems to wait too long to start the play. Seems like we wait until less than 10 seconds to start the play, when I think it should start around the 12 second mark.

Thoughts? Anyway enjoy the win and let's get ready for the LOOSIERS.

Edey was getting fouled the entire time and was tied up my guess it was going to him. Then Cockburn had a push off on the potential rebound. Not necessarily Purdue’s fault.

 

[POTFHBTFU]

i prefer Ft shooting over 3 point shooting. With a guy like edey, you can miss your 3 pointers all day and it should be an easy put back. or why not go inside for that last shot wit h an alley oop? they had teh size advantage / mismatch, the y should have taken advantage of it.

Clutch F t shooting would have won this game before regulation ended.

Did you see the last play? Edey was completely gobbled up by Cockburn and 15’ from the basket.

I’d take 3s over FTs anyday. They can shift momentum big time especially on the road. They will quiet a crowd.

we shot 82% FT shooting. We didn’t lose this game due to bad free throws we won with good 3 pt shooting (44%). We are a high volume 3 point shooting team. At 25 per game the difference between 35 and 40% is about 4 points per game. A 5% difference in free throw shooting is 1 point. And we also score on missed free throws too and not just missed 3s.

sasha made some tough 3s today and hit some crowd quieting clitch

Of the top 40 free throw % shooting teams I think one is ranked (nova). I believe there are 5 in top 40 for 3 %.

 

[MetMyWifeAtHarrys]

Horrible play out of the time out to end regulation. Absurd decision making by coaching and players on every level.

 

[POTFHBTFU]

Horrible play out of the time out to end regulation. Absurd decision making by coaching and players on every level.

It looked like we tried to force a one-on-one with Edey and Cockburn and Cockburn had him covered up. Probably told sasha get it into Edey if you can’t then take the 3. Not sure what happened but sasha thought he got fouled.

 

[IndySouthsider]

Good win Boiler but still can't get over the last terrible possession in regulation.
After a time out and Painter call the last play and we can't even get a shot off after a set play called and after a time out?
This is like the third time I remembering this happening this season. I like Painter but that's how you lose games when you can't get a shot off after a time out with a set play.
We seems to wait too long to start the play. Seems like we wait until less than 10 seconds to start the play, when I think it should start around the 12 second mark.

Thoughts? Anyway enjoy the win and let's get ready for the LOOSIERS.

I think they intended to get it in the post. Kofi had Edey in a bear hug. Movement stalled

 

[mathboy]

I think they intended to get it in the post. Kofi had Edey in a bear hug. Movement stalled

Prob should have been a foul called but the stripes swallowed their whistles.

 

[Chi-Boiler]

If you watch the replay of the end of regulation possession, especially the one from the other side of the court, you will see that Ivey missed setting part of the screen on I think Frazier. That's why Sasha was covered so quickly. He came up from the baseline through 2 screens, but Ivey whiffed his.

At the end of the 1st OT, it almost seemed like Hunter and Ivey didn't know the clock was under 10. Way too slow getting the ball up the court.

 

[bonefish1]

He went for the Ohio State dagger from last year, but I agree, there was more time to do something more high percentage when they inbounded. Once he took so much time to get up the court, that's what was left. Sadly, it was 10x a better look than at the end of regulation.

I was referring to 2 different possessions. At the end of regulation, he never touched the ball and SS had to launch a prayer.
At the end of OT, JI brought the ball up way too casually and you knew he was going to settle for a long 3.
He needs to get going downhill and get to the rim. He’s one of the best in the country at doing that.

 

[bonefish1]

It looked like we tried to force a one-on-one with Edey and Cockburn and Cockburn had him covered up. Probably told sasha get it into Edey if you can’t then take the 3. Not sure what happened but sasha thought he got fouled.

But why run that with SS instead of Ivey? SS isn’t going to shake his man and get a good look in that scenario.

 

[MetMyWifeAtHarrys]

We can wonder and theorize and debate, but no matter what the take is, that execution was egregious for a high level B1G team.

 

[Chi-Boiler]

We can wonder and theorize and debate, but no matter what the take is, that execution was egregious for a high level B1G team.

At least at the end of regulation, I think some of the credit has to go to Frazier and the Illinois defense. Painter lauded him after the game for the fact that he's been around so long that he knows what they're going to do, even though (I think this is what he said) "We run more plays than the Cowboys." Frazier blew up the play.

 

[bonefish1]

At least at the end of regulation, I think some of the credit has to go to Frazier and the Illinois defense. Painter lauded him after the game for the fact that he's been around so long that he knows what they're going to do, even though (I think this is what he said) "We run more plays than the Cowboys." Frazier blew up the play.

But the point is, when you have the ball and time to get one shot, only one player should have the ball in his hands: Ivey

 

[tjreese]

5/9....split three trips (including the flagrant) and missed the last of three

JI - 13/15

Purdue 26/32 (Edey (2/2), Williams (2/2), and Hunter (4/4))

Not surprised particularly with Hunter, but Zach, Trevion and Jaden all did a bit better than expected

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

Not surprised particularly with Hunter, but Zach, Trevion and Jaden all did a bit better than expected

Yes - they all have above-average to good form to me. JI and TW are critical because they will have the ball in their hands a lot, especially down the stretch in a tight game. When Big Tre takes his time and focuses, he can hit them.....same for Jaden Ivey. I know they practice them a lot. EH, Jr. had been in a slump from the FT line as well, IIRC - but those were solid to me too, yesterday.

The best form/rotation I've consistently seen from anyone on the team is Mason Gillis - he should hold impromptu break-out sessions for the guys.....Big Tre can bring the sammiches.

 

[tjreese]

Yes - they all have above-average to good form to me. JI and TW are critical because they will have the ball in their hands a lot, especially down the stretch in a tight game. When Big Tre takes his time and focuses, he can hit them.....same for Jaden Ivey. I know they practice them a lot. EH, Jr. had been in a slump from the FT line as well, IIRC - but those were solid to me too, yesterday.

The best form/rotation I've consistently seen from anyone on the team is Mason Gillis - he should hold impromptu break-out sessions for the guys.....Big Tre can bring the sammiches.

Zach has been struggling and Trevion for a career has been suspense (from the side view his misses seem to be when he doesn't lift the ball, but rather has all wrist). Jaden probably made 1 or 2 more than expected. All were solid parts of the win

 

[Aamesker]

But why run that with SS instead of Ivey? SS isn’t going to shake his man and get a good look in that scenario.

Because SS was hot from 3 all game? The double screen into a rhythm 3 for SS or a dump down underneath to Edey was what was working that game vs Ivey playing hero ball (no way were the refs going to call a foul unless it was flat out egregious). Frazier blew it up, sometimes good defense beats good offense.

 

[jeffandmike]

Good win Boiler but still can't get over the last terrible possession in regulation.
After a time out and Painter call the last play and we can't even get a shot off after a set play called and after a time out?
This is like the third time I remembering this happening this season. I like Painter but that's how you lose games when you can't get a shot off after a time out with a set play.
We seems to wait too long to start the play. Seems like we wait until less than 10 seconds to start the play, when I think it should start around the 12 second mark.

Thoughts? Anyway enjoy the win and let's get ready for the LOOSIERS.

In that situation I`d of given the ball to Ivey and told him to take to the hole. Either shoot a layup or go to the free throw line! Either way Purdue wins!!!

 

[bonefish1]

Because SS was hot from 3 all game? The double screen into a rhythm 3 for SS or a dump down underneath to Edey was what was working that game vs Ivey playing hero ball (no way were the refs going to call a foul unless it was flat out egregious). Frazier blew it up, sometimes good defense beats good offense.

So, you're going to rely on a highly contested low percentage 3 pointer to win it vs having one of the best drivers in all of college basketball take his man to the rim and either dump it off, get fouled or finish?

That's like having a 4th and 1 and throwing deep because you hit a couple deeps balls earlier in the game.

 

[Aamesker]

So, you're going to rely on a highly contested low percentage 3 pointer to win it vs having one of the best drivers in all of college basketball take his man to the rim and either dump it off, get fouled or finish?

That's like having a 4th and 1 and throwing deep because you hit a couple deeps balls earlier in the game.

That action for SS is about a good a shot as possible for him, Frazier just blew it up (either from a missed screen or just fighting over the screens). There's nothing wrong with going to the hot hand to win the game and that was SS yesterday. Ivey wasn't hitting at all yesterday so I have no problem going to a second option.