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Good story about Big Dog.

I know of him as the best Purdue and college player ever, and he will forever be the highest paid rookie in NBA history.

Hope he is doing well now

http://blacktopxchange.com/2014/01/13/dont-know-big-dog-glenn-robinson/

“I had two little fat managers, a pair of twins, who used to outplay him when he was in the fourth or fifth grade,” his high school coach Ron Heflin once told Sports Illustrated’s Bruce Newman. “He wasn’t very good. People don’t understand how hard that kid worked. He hasn’t always been a polished player.”

Glenn’s confidence in his basketball skills was once so nonexistent that he refused to try out for the 7th grade team. But the small house he shared with his mother was only a long jumper away from the asphalt courts outside of Roosevelt High School, where he spent many hours there working on his game.

“One day we were going through workout drills at practice,” Heflin said in the book Hoosiers: The Fabulous Basketball Life of Indiana by Phillip House. “We call ‘em suicides. I ran them for about forty minutes straight. The rest of the kids were grabbing their stomachs and complaining but he didn’t bend over and he didn’t say nuthin’. I got interested. I said to myself ‘I’m gonna see what it takes to break this guy.’ I couldn’t do it. He always came right back to the starting line. That night I went home and told my wife, ‘I got a special kid here.’”

To earn money, Glenn carried tools and did clean-up work at an air-conditioning/refrigeration shop after-school and on the weekends. When his grades slipped midway through that sophomore season, his mother marched him into the coach’s office.

“She said, ‘Coach Heflin, if his grades drop any more’ – she put her finger up in Glenn’s face – ‘you won’t be playing basketball anymore. Do you understand me Glenn Allen?‘ Here’s this guy towering over his mom and he just says ‘Yeah.’ Total control. You don’t want to cross Christine. I still tease him about it,” Heflin said in Hoosiers.
 
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Good story about Big Dog.

I know of him as the best Purdue and college player ever, and he will forever be the highest paid rookie in NBA history.

Hope he is doing well now

http://blacktopxchange.com/2014/01/13/dont-know-big-dog-glenn-robinson/

“I had two little fat managers, a pair of twins, who used to outplay him when he was in the fourth or fifth grade,” his high school coach Ron Heflin once told Sports Illustrated’s Bruce Newman. “He wasn’t very good. People don’t understand how hard that kid worked. He hasn’t always been a polished player.”

Glenn’s confidence in his basketball skills was once so nonexistent that he refused to try out for the 7th grade team. But the small house he shared with his mother was only a long jumper away from the asphalt courts outside of Roosevelt High School, where he spent many hours there working on his game.

“One day we were going through workout drills at practice,” Heflin said in the book Hoosiers: The Fabulous Basketball Life of Indiana by Phillip House. “We call ‘em suicides. I ran them for about forty minutes straight. The rest of the kids were grabbing their stomachs and complaining but he didn’t bend over and he didn’t say nuthin’. I got interested. I said to myself ‘I’m gonna see what it takes to break this guy.’ I couldn’t do it. He always came right back to the starting line. That night I went home and told my wife, ‘I got a special kid here.’”

To earn money, Glenn carried tools and did clean-up work at an air-conditioning/refrigeration shop after-school and on the weekends. When his grades slipped midway through that sophomore season, his mother marched him into the coach’s office.

“She said, ‘Coach Heflin, if his grades drop any more’ – she put her finger up in Glenn’s face – ‘you won’t be playing basketball anymore. Do you understand me Glenn Allen?‘ Here’s this guy towering over his mom and he just says ‘Yeah.’ Total control. You don’t want to cross Christine. I still tease him about it,” Heflin said in Hoosiers.

I remember standing outside a plumbing place running into Phil Waddell and during the visit with him I asked about Purdue's chances to get Allen Henderson...who I thought would be a great player to get. I had watched Allen and knew some rumors from people that went to Brebeuf that Purdue had a very good shot at Allen. Phil, looked at me and said, "Tom, he is not the one I like the best." There is a kid name Robinson that has a meaner streak and I hope Purdue gets him. I thought wow, better than Allen he must be special. Matt played with Robinson and Allen in AAU.


So, I started to try to learn a little bit about him and was in Mackey during the semi state when he hit a jumper to win the game from around the left elbow at the Paint Crew end. I remember a coaching clinic where Ron was a speaker and he talked about the long runs his players did in the summer. I was in Butler when Austin Carr went for 50. I sat 5 feet away when Roger Blaylock got in a fight with Rick Mock at Butler and Roger broke his leg breaking Rick's nose in 3 second swingfest. Remember Mount and Kelller getting beat I'm thinking by Butler when Mount was a sophomore that same game? I saw a lot of all Americans...Rudy, Cazzie, Walt Hazzard, quickly come to mind at Butler. IU wouldn't play Butler and so I never saw any IU players in Hinkle. Still, Notre Dame, UCLA and most all the Big ten schools played Butler except IU and I saw a lot of stars, but taking off my black and gold glasses I'm thinking Glenn may be the best college player I've personally watched and there are a lot of great ones over the years. I'm sure there are many others that people could make a case for, but if they never played Butler or Purdue when I was there (McGinnis?) I never counted them. No matter what...Glenn was a special player!
 
At one time the Indy Star writers thought Purdue would get both Glenn and Alan.

Feeling nostalgic. That state championship game between Gary Roosevelt (Glenn) and Brebeuf (Alan) was an exciting game. Back when there was just 1 class and 1 tournament - game played @ Hoosier Dome. I remember watching that game as a kid and being in total aw of Glenn (I had only heard of him - knew he was a big time recruit as committed to Purdue, but had never seen him play). After watching the game, the anticipation of him playing at Purdue sparked your basketball soul. Then, he surpassed those expectations and then some. Alan was a great player at IU as well and had a very good NBA career. Can you imagine having both those guys? Wow.
 
At one time the Indy Star writers thought Purdue would get both Glenn and Alan.

For once I am able to contribute actual experience related to recruiting, granted it's 20+ years later. I personally met Alan Henderson's father, an Indianapolis cardiologist, through my business relationships at the time of the recruiting. He was very cordial and spoke well of Purdue when the subject came up, but I left with the strong impression that his son was going to attend Indiana University. Maybe Coach Keady and Bill Benner had different thoughts.

Sadly, Dr. Henderson passed away a few years ago.....he was an excellent physician.
 
For once I am able to contribute actual experience related to recruiting, granted it's 20+ years later. I personally met Alan Henderson's father, an Indianapolis cardiologist, through my business relationships at the time of the recruiting. He was very cordial and spoke well of Purdue when the subject came up, but I left with the strong impression that his son was going to attend Indiana University. Maybe Coach Keady and Bill Benner had different thoughts.

Sadly, Dr. Henderson passed away a few years ago.....he was an excellent physician.
You may be correct, but I remember Robin Miller saying he thought the father was supportive of Purdue and I had always heard Mom supported Alan in choosing to play for Knight who the Dad didn't appreciate due to his methods.
 
For once I am able to contribute actual experience related to recruiting, granted it's 20+ years later. I personally met Alan Henderson's father, an Indianapolis cardiologist, through my business relationships at the time of the recruiting. He was very cordial and spoke well of Purdue when the subject came up, but I left with the strong impression that his son was going to attend Indiana University. Maybe Coach Keady and Bill Benner had different thoughts.

Sadly, Dr. Henderson passed away a few years ago.....he was an excellent physician.

obviously what you stated came to be. what would be interesting is the time line. I think Purdue was an early leader, but perhaps when you got the word from his father on IU, that was the direction at the time. IN recruiting we never know all the facts...see Swanigan as exhibit 1 for some...
 
Btw, Glenn Robinson was the best college player I've seen play, and too close to call for the best high school player I've seen play to Clark Kellogg.

Coach Keady said Glenn Robinson was one of his hardest workers, if not the hardest IIRC.

Always a "what if" on the back issues during the NCAA run in '94......

JMHO
 
Big Dog was one of the greatest "Me" players of all-time. In the same vein as Wilt, Jordan, and Iverson. Too bad "We" players win more. Luckily this year's Boilers are stacked with "We" players.
 
Big Dog was one of the greatest "Me" players of all-time. In the same vein as Wilt, Jordan, and Iverson. Too bad "We" players win more. Luckily this year's Boilers are stacked with "We" players.

Not true. Glenn knew he was by far the best option, but he wasn't a ball hog. Many times he should have scored more. He wasn't given enough credit for his decision making. He rarely took bad shots, but part of the reason was he was so good at everything. My only beef with him was he was a very average or below average defender, besides his shot blocking. He was the best rebounder since Carroll. I'm convinced he would have been an NBA hall of famer if he was taller. He had PF skills in a SF body.
 
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Big Dog was one of the greatest "Me" players of all-time. In the same vein as Wilt, Jordan, and Iverson. Too bad "We" players win more. Luckily this year's Boilers are stacked with "We" players.
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Big Dog was a "Me" player. His career assists per 40 minutes at Purdue was 2.1. That would have been NINTH on last year's team, almost a full assist per game (2.8) behind Basil.
 
Big Dog was a "Me" player. His career assists per 40 minutes at Purdue was 2.1. That would have been NINTH on last year's team, almost a full assist per game (2.8) behind Basil.

Horrible troll attempt but I'll play...Keady directed the whole offensive philosophy around Dog. Get him the ball and get out of the way. He was "me" because A. He was instructed to be and B. he could and should think of himself first, as he was the best offensive option...always. Did it to the tune of 29 wins, a #3 ranking and a sweep of national POY honors.

What a selfish player :eek:
 
Horrible troll attempt but I'll play...Keady directed the whole offensive philosophy around Dog. Get him the ball and get out of the way. He was "me" because A. He was instructed to be and B. he could and should think of himself first, as he was the best offensive option...always. Did it to the tune of 29 wins, a #3 ranking and a sweep of national POY honors.

What a selfish player :eek:
Right.
Any knowledgeable Purdue fan knows Keady preached getting the ball into the hands of the best options whenever possible.
If anyone had any doubts that this guy wasn't a Purdue fan. Surely they see it now.
 
Robinson ' s semi-final win over Anderson Highland not only did he hit the game winner at the top of the key with 2 players on him he also blocked a lay up that helped set up the game winner..he was the best high school/ college player I've seen could flat out take over a game !
 
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Big Dog was a "Me" player. His career assists per 40 minutes at Purdue was 2.1. That would have been NINTH on last year's team, almost a full assist per game (2.8) behind Basil.

Damn right he was a 'Me' player. When you're the best college player to come along in years, and perhaps a top 5 all-time college player, you better be the one shooting the most.
Big Dog was unstoppable at times and Keady instructed him to be the Man.

What as he going to do, pass to Herb Dove and Porter Roberts for open jumpers? I'll rather have GRob taking on a triple team as opposed to those guys shooting open 15 footers.
 
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See link below. Big Dog averaged 30.3 PPG his last year. Not only has no one topped that since him, the vast majority of the players on this list are from mid-majors. What Big Dog did at Purdue was amazing.

Just because a player scores a lot doesn't make him selfish. He was at all times the best player on the court. It's irrational to complain that he had the ball in his hands too much.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/leaders/pts-per-g-player-yearly.html
 
See link below. Big Dog averaged 30.3 PPG his last year. Not only has no one topped that since him, the vast majority of the players on this list are from mid-majors. What Big Dog did at Purdue was amazing.

Just because a player scores a lot doesn't make him selfish. He was at all times the best player on the court. It's irrational to complain that he had the ball in his hands too much.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/leaders/pts-per-g-player-yearly.html


Here is all one needs to know even if they never saw him play at Purdue..."IF" they understand he played "something" different that point. If that understanding is there then it is easy to see he never brought the ball up and was a recipient of a pass...meaning people wanted him to have the ball at the time it was passed to him. He scored a lot of points and somebody threw him the ball to do it. That doesn't mean someone got an assist as he may have dribbled it, but it means they thought he was a scoring threat and wanted him to get the ball. His performance against Kansas was unbelievable and who knows what might have happened had he not hurt himself..
 
Here is all one needs to know even if they never saw him play at Purdue..."IF" they understand he played "something" different that point. If that understanding is there then it is easy to see he never brought the ball up and was a recipient of a pass..

A slight amendment to your comment: Big Dog did bring the ball up. He also took tip off duties. He also led the team in steals. He could and did do everything. He is the best college basketball player I've ever seen. If Carmelo or Durant had stayed an extra year, they may have been better. But they didn't.
 
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Interesting how none of you disputed that Big Dog was a "Me" player. I said he was in the same category as Jordan. Michael Jordan. The guy that in a 6 year span from his Sophomore year of college to his 4th year in the NBA, led the ACC or NBA in scoring 5 times. You're trying to claim that Big Dog was better than that? Get a life. The only claim I made that you can argue is that "Me" players win less than "We" players.
I'm going to agree. This is Snu.
He just built another straw man to try and win an argument.
Enjoy the next 3 weeks. After that the season begins and we will see who has the better team. It shouldn't take long to figure out.
 
A slight amendment to your comment: Big Dog did bring the ball up. He also took tip off duties. He also led the team in steals. He could and did do everything. He is the best college basketball player I've ever seen. If Carmelo or Durant had stayed an extra year, they may have been better. But they didn't.

He never played point. The rare times he brought the ball up was obviously match-up conditions in man. i don't consider those times weighted enough to change my comments. Those duties were left to Porter Roberts...wiht help from Matt Waddell and Zo if needed primarily. when pressing teams in man played Purdue....Glenn may have been a mismatch and brought it up. Porter was the primary ball handler though
 
I remember a very early GBI issue with Big Dog, Brantley and Henderson on the cover. At the time there was an evidently really good chance Purdue would get all 3. Glenn was and still is my favorite player ever. (And I recall thinking at the time he left that I hope someday he has a son who would play for the Boilers.)

Thanks for sharing!
 
Big Dog was one of the greatest "Me" players of all-time. In the same vein as Wilt, Jordan, and Iverson. Too bad "We" players win more. Luckily this year's Boilers are stacked with "We" players.
Yeah he should have passed more. I mean look at the success we had when he was injured and not 100% against Duke. 30 points and 10 rebounds. How selfish to get that many rebounds. If you remember I don't think he was down low on free throws. Stan back and Brantley were I think or he would have been selfish and had more rebounds.
 
Trying to think of a single time (even with the benefit of 20-20 hindsight) that I thought Purdue would have been better off had the Big Dog passed the ball when he didn't...

Don't think it ever happened at Purdue.
 
Trying to think of a single time (even with the benefit of 20-20 hindsight) that I thought Purdue would have been better off had the Big Dog passed the ball when he didn't...

Don't think it ever happened at Purdue.
There was one time. That last game against Duke. Whether it was his back or Grant Hill and double teams late in the game I wish Grob would have looked for Waddell. Matt was on fire and Grob could not make a shot. Matt was in the zone and was looking for the ball. Didn't matter, Big Dog was gonna eat. Best college player I ever saw. Period.
 
There was one time. That last game against Duke. Whether it was his back or Grant Hill and double teams late in the game I wish Grob would have looked for Waddell. Matt was on fire and Grob could not make a shot. Matt was in the zone and was looking for the ball. Didn't matter, Big Dog was gonna eat. Best college player I ever saw. Period.

You never saw a lot of great college players then. 6 for 22 in his final game. If he was seriously injured, why did he take 22 shots? If his teammates were terrible, how did they secure a 3 seed & 1 seed the following two years?
 
You never saw a lot of great college players then. 6 for 22 in his final game. If he was seriously injured, why did he take 22 shots? If his teammates were terrible, how did they secure a 3 seed & 1 seed the following two years?

Why doesn't your momma keep closer watch over you?
 
You never saw a lot of great college players then. 6 for 22 in his final game. If he was seriously injured, why did he take 22 shots? If his teammates were terrible, how did they secure a 3 seed & 1 seed the following two years?

You must be responding to a different post. My point was that Brob should have fed Waddell the ball against Duke. Matt was hot at the end of the game yet Grob kept throwing up bricks. That was the only game I can remember when Grob should have passed up shots for the sake of the team.
 
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