Bobinski opened the checkbook to get CJB and retain him. And that was all pre-pandemic. I wouldn't be so certain he's looking to throw even more money at the situation and even less certain that he has the money to do so even if he wanted right now.
Give Brohm more time...
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There is ZERO forward momentum with the program. It was unfortunate that he went to two bowl games his first two years and had that exhilarating win against OSU. Otherwise, Purdue might not be stuck with him. But, that's what Purdue does...rewards mediocrity because it could always...and has been...worse. Just grin and bear it, Boilermaker fans.
Grossly incorrect. The defense alone proves your statement wrong.
Um. You hire a football coach to do those sorts of things. Success is not unfortunate if you are a fan of the program.
These people aren't representative of the fanbase and were the first ones to check out when the program was in actual bad shape. The rest of us were on our knees praying for the day when the team is competitive in every single game. This team is close. They are playing hard. There are good things happening. Minor improvements from being a 7 or 8 win team. You don't just chuck that into the dumpster. You continue to make adjustments like with the defense this year.
While I am a little disappointed at where we’re at 5 years in, I am at least happy that we are competitive and are in almost every game we play. It wasn’t that way for a long time.
Purdue has not played anyone of any significance yet...aside of an overrated/overranked ND team (that every other opponent has had more success against than Purdue did, save Wisconsin)...so, being competitive thus far is not much of a measuring stick...a single TD in 3 consecutive games is far more of an indicator of where Purdue is 5 years in, more so considering the competition. Purdue, 5 years in, SHOULD be in games against most of the teams that it plays.
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This would be what you'd call circular logic. The program is only slightly favored in this game because of where they're at as a program in general, based on what they've accomplished thus far this year and the past couple of years. I'm not saying that where they're at is a miserable failure. It isn't. Not even close.
But would your logic hold true if we lost every game up to the Northwestern game, and then were only slightly favored and also lost that game? Should fans not be upset about that because they were only slightly favored? This makes no sense...
Nobody ever said anything about losing EVERY game we're slight favorites in, nor is that where we are at. Once again, your attempt to apply logic to anything fails.
Go back and look at what you wrote. It says what it says. It was a game Purdue needed to win in the soft part of it's schedule. To say fans shouldn't be upset based on whether Purdue is only slightly favored makes zero sense.
I agree. It says what it says. Unfortunately, your inability to comprehend what it says is still the problem.
No one of any significance? You seriously need to just stop if you're not going to pay attention or throw out untrue statements. Let me guess, you wanted Les Miles too. Your post here is something a unknowing Les Miles fan would say. My guess is you were among the toolsheds that wanted Painter fired too.
We can’t count last year. Those kids had so many things going through their head. So many fears and worries. Plus they were not prepared because it was impossible to prepare not just because they could not practice in the summer or lift weights properly, but heck the idiot commissioner played fall start with the season. Last year it doesn’t count and last year probably stalleWe can’t count last year. Those kids had so many things going through their head. So many fears and worries. Plus they were not prepared because it was impossible to prepare not just because they could not practice in the summer or lift weights properly, but heck the idiot commissioner played fall start with the season. Last year it doesn’t count and last year probably hurt recruiting more than we know.
Forgot other teams were not dealing with Covid. Now it makes since that we had the worst recruiting class in the B10. All of those incoming freshmen could have been the difference. (TIC) Jeez......
Didn't you get your pair of Debbie Downer glasses?
Please recalibrate yourself on Purdue's opponents!
Oregon State: fringe 25 team, Purdue is their only loss this season
Debbie Downer --> Yeah, but they were playing the wrong QB
UConn: Purdue pitches first shutout in years and scores TD on 7 of first 8 possessions.
Debbie Downer --> Yeah, but UConn is awful
Notre Dame: top 15 team, on the road, one possession game until the end
Debbie Downer --> Yeah, but they lost to a top 10 team so they must be no good because that top 10 team is Cincinnati
Illinois: won an ugly game in which RB1, WR1, among others were missing
Debbie Downer --> Yeah, but Illinois was lucky to beat Nebraska
Minnesota: an extremely up-and-down team with talent to compete with OSU coming off a wake up call
Debbie Downer --> Yeah, but they lost to Bowling Green
No, I comprehend it perfectly. "If the entire fanbase is up in arms because we lost a game we were the slightest of favorites in, then that doesn't say much for our fan base. I never saw us once favored by even a full field goal. I did see a couple lines that had Minnesota favored."
What it says/insinuates is that I'm smarter, more logical, and a better fan than the rest of the fanbase because I can justify and not get upset about a loss where Purdue's only "slightly favored". Never mind that Purdue's only "slightly favored" over a pretty bad Minnesota team because they've not provided Vegas and the betting community the confidence to move the line.
Your arrogance continues to shine through...
Well, I am a smarter, more logical, and better fan than you. You got that part right at least. The rest of it just reflects that you have no idea what you just read.
Well said, though I am tiring of hearing TV broadcasters speak of CJB as an offensive mastermind/guru before every game. Our defense has been solid the entire season and we have scored exactly 13 points for the past 3 weeks.
Can you guys get over the Les Miles suggestion? It’s not like the majority of you were brave enough to offer your own suggestion for a coach! Tc4three, who was your choice?
I wasn’t thrilled with the Brohm choice. I hated Hazell. I was not a Hope fan either.
Over half of my posts have been directed at our offensive line and our total lack of developing players. Today’s high school lineman already have strength and conditioning. Redshirting is no longer going to add much weight or strength over what they already had in high school. Look at what Moore was able to do in high school.
im not saying Purdue should be as good as OSU but they should be as good as Iowa. And we recruited many of the same lineman who chose Iowa over Purdue.
And the longer Brohm stays at Purdue the more I like hope. He produced the same results at a fraction of the salary! Give Brohm’s salary to the library or math department where it can do some good.
I wasn’t thrilled with the Brohm choice. I hated Hazell. I was not a Hope fan either.
Over half of my posts have been directed at our offensive line and our total lack of developing players. Today’s high school lineman already have strength and conditioning. Redshirting is no longer going to add much weight or strength over what they already had in high school. Look at what Moore was able to do in high school.
im not saying Purdue should be as good as OSU but they should be as good as Iowa. And we recruited many of the same lineman who chose Iowa over Purdue.
And the longer Brohm stays at Purdue the more I like hope. He produced the same results at a fraction of the salary! Give Brohm’s salary to the library or math department where it can do some good.
Why wouldn't you consider someone's prior opinions when judging their current one? If someone wanted Les Miles to be our coach or wanted CMP fired in 2014, shouldn't you question their judgment?
FWIW, my opinion was that Fleck and Brohm were the top two likely candidates. I think I might have had a slight preference to Fleck at first but when he appeared disinterested in us and I read more about him and his gimmicks I think I preferred Brohm. I don't remember any other candidates being discussed who I liked much.
And when talking about the Purdue fan base, I would venture to say that this board is not close to representing the majority of beliefs of the normal Purdue fan. The people who post here are the die hard fans not the normal fan. Think about it, what normal fan goes to a football game and then posts 20-25 messages on a fan board during the game in a game thread? 50,000 fans go to a game. 50 people post here. The normal fan could care less about your posts. They just want to watch the game and see a win.
they could care less about your Covid excuses and conditioning and injury status or who are starting qb is and how many stars a recruit has.
The normal fan doesn’t even know this site exists. So when you talk about the normal fan, I encourage you to look around at a football game and ask a person at random, have you ever posted here or actually know this site exists?
they could care less about your Covid excuses and conditioning and injury status or who are starting qb is and how many stars a recruit has.
The normal fan doesn’t even know this site exists. So when you talk about the normal fan, I encourage you to look around at a football game and ask a person at random, have you ever posted here or actually know this site exists?
So you liked the Brohm choice over fleck. But in saying that, you are also admitting you were not brave enough or original enough to offer your own choice. A person should remember who their choice was and be man enough to admit it rather than say I went along and approved the Brohm hiring over fleck.
I was wild and crazy and suggested we should go against the ncaa and hire Tressel. I thought Tressel was smart enough to call a good game, would bring in intelligent assistant coaches and his name would recruit some elite athletes. So what if a running back drives around in a new car. All alabama recruits have new cars.
I also suggested Tommy Bowden. He had success at Auburn and could bring that success to Purdue.
I liked the hiring of Akers. It didn’t work out.
I prefer an experienced coach over an up and comer.
and if your goal is to only win 6 games and go to a bowl game nobody has ever heard of, Then the coach’s salary should be reflective of that mediocre goal and accomplishment. Brohm should never have received the extension he was given.
And just like that you lost all credibility. Then again, you're just here trolling us anyway.
It's not as easy to say who was someone's choice. Ultimately, I'd have loved to get Dabo Swinney but that's not realistic. We make assumptions about who we can get and who we can't get and those assumptions don't hold true across the board. There's always some guy who thinks we can just open the checkbook, have unlimited funds, and buy just about anyone out there. Hell, there was someone on this board earlier this week thinking we should go after UC's coach. If you believe that, why wouldn't you always want to fire the coach to hire another top 5 guy?
Like I said, I'm pretty sure if you were to go back and look at any post of mine leading up to the hire, probably on the premium board at that time, I'd have been pretty agreeable with either Fleck or Brohm with maybe a slight preference of one or the other depending on when you asked me. I think Brohm was my preference by the time we hired him but had we hired Fleck instead I'd have been on board with that. I do remember that when it looked like we could possibly not land either one I wasn't happy with the other names being discussed, of which Les Miles was one and has since proven why.
As for the Tressel suggestion, I believe we hired Hazell partially based on his recommendation. Not sure that's a road many would've wanted to go down, especially after the way he left Ohio State, even assuming Tressel would've had interest in the job to begin with. He hasn't resurfaced as a coach since he exited Ohio State over a decade ago and has been President of Youngstown State since 2014. My guess is that his coaching days have been over for some time and he wouldn't have been interested even if we were. So, like I said earlier, you always have that guy who thinks of such options that don't seem realistic to everyone so not everyone is pulling from the same pool of candidates.
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People seem to have forgotten, or maybe they never accepted, how unattractive this job was in 2012. MBob did well to land Brohm and then to hold off Tennessee and Louisville for him. He was on my short list with Fleck, Rhule, and Calhoun. Not sure if any of those 3 would have come here.
For the record, I wanted Les Miles. Look at results back then at that day in time, not now. He had an interest in Purdue. Fast Forward thru the years, Brohm was the clearly the better hire no doubt about it.
For the record part II, I also liked Danny Hope, but going back to penny pinching and tight purse strings will only put Purdue that much further in the hole when the head coach realizes the Athletic Department doesn't support the full staff.
The die hard posters here mostly agree the remaining games this season will spell the success or stagnation of Brohm at Purdue. Due to contract and salary, if we can't get back to bowling, he'll be a lame duck coach with one more season. Win 3 of 7 and Brohm is not on a PIP (performance improvement program) in his performance review. No bowl and that seat goes from hot to fire for a year. It is that straightforward.
He seems like a likeable guy and runs a decent program. I along with many want to see him succeed.
To those like Wole, Athletics (Football & Basketball in particular) pay forward a lot of other programs. It gets Purdue's name out there week in and week out for from September thru March in those to aforementioned sports. That is name brand recognition and like it or not, you can't take away a marketing machine of the brand to save a few million for a library. Have success and Millions more will flow week in and week out in with more TV coverage, Hotels, Merchandising, Alumni giving to Purdue's success, etc. When Purdue wins, everybody in those programs win and throughout the University wins as well. A symbiotic relationship with players, coaches, students and faculty. Success breeds success. Who doesn't like that?
For the record part II, I also liked Danny Hope, but going back to penny pinching and tight purse strings will only put Purdue that much further in the hole when the head coach realizes the Athletic Department doesn't support the full staff.
The die hard posters here mostly agree the remaining games this season will spell the success or stagnation of Brohm at Purdue. Due to contract and salary, if we can't get back to bowling, he'll be a lame duck coach with one more season. Win 3 of 7 and Brohm is not on a PIP (performance improvement program) in his performance review. No bowl and that seat goes from hot to fire for a year. It is that straightforward.
He seems like a likeable guy and runs a decent program. I along with many want to see him succeed.
To those like Wole, Athletics (Football & Basketball in particular) pay forward a lot of other programs. It gets Purdue's name out there week in and week out for from September thru March in those to aforementioned sports. That is name brand recognition and like it or not, you can't take away a marketing machine of the brand to save a few million for a library. Have success and Millions more will flow week in and week out in with more TV coverage, Hotels, Merchandising, Alumni giving to Purdue's success, etc. When Purdue wins, everybody in those programs win and throughout the University wins as well. A symbiotic relationship with players, coaches, students and faculty. Success breeds success. Who doesn't like that?
Thanks for making your point about Les, because at the time he appeared to be as good a choice as could be made if Fleck wasn't coming and that was my point and support for Les. I have to believe if Brohm screws the pooch this year which he's doing a great job of, Bo is going to cut all ties with the man. PU has wasted enough money on a man who so far has proven he's not a coach deserving of his salary.
Anyone who has watched Purdue football for decades knew Les would be a train wreck here.
Me and perhaps some others on this board.
I personally don't like it that the cfb system has devolved to a point where so very much rides, as you describe, on winning mere games by exploiting the future health of young guys who likely don't really understand the long-term risks of playing football at this level.
I have a suspicion Mitch feels the same, but realizes the system is too big and powerful to be bucked...
I don't deny that it hasn't devolved on a focus of winning games that is equally important than players health. The $EC and BIG got into a coaching pay scale war, TV contracts have aided in that runaway pay scales. Throw in NIL and Tranfer Portal and this Freight train is in a runaway mode with no brakes. Who the heck knows where the limits are in a few short years? It has become cumbersome and slimy to Athletic Departments across the nation.
For proof of that, look no further than Kofi Cock burn whom jumped into the portal, then re-appeared back at Illinois once the bidding war was done. That isn't stated anywhere, but it is more than implied when the price was right, he came back. https://247sports.com/college/illin...et-to-cash-in-on-NIL-opportunities-168903162/
In a few short years, others like Phil Knight (Nike / Oregon) will be openly celebrating signing days with Million dollar contracts to college players. Once these young men are driving cars (Bentleys, Rolls-Royces, Jaguars, BMWs, Range Rovers, etc and living in mansions or luxury condos, we'll all say to hell with it and either reset it or scrap it in favor of some other Olympic Sports. I don't laugh too hard as that may become reality when athletic departments have to have budgets larger that their research departments and schools. We'll all look back on this in a few years saying remember the simpler days when all a blue blood school had to do was provide strippers, a car on the recruiting trail and maybe $50-100K under the table via a shoe deal to AAU coaches who'd split the money with the player & family? Ah, simpler times.
In the here and now, I'd like to see Purdue return to winning ways in Football so the whole of the University can enjoy the winnings when the cup overfloweth.
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