We are Purdue, it's doubtful any upgrade is out there at this stage. I think he can grow into the job, just need to fix the Oline.
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CJB should be a long-term plan. Cutting bait anytime soon means 10 + years of misery. How much better would the line be if we didn’t lose all of those guys in the off-season to injury? It happens when your asking kids to wear 300+ lbs.
How's the O line gonna be "fixed"? We have no depth and the starters stink. So what are coaches gonna do to "fix" this next year? I think we lose Witt and Long. Who replaces them? More grad transfers? Freshmen and Sophomores that weren't very highly ranked either? This isn't a 1 year fix. And there's nothing happening recruiting wise to give anyone confidence it's going to take care of itself...
I don't have the answers. But neither option looks positive...
He has shown zero ability to fix the problem...and, he/staff in part created the problem...they inherited a solid group at the position and failed to address that most were graduating...the OL was awful a year ago, remains awful, and, will remain awful...because they failed to understand its importance when they arrived, failed to address that guys were leaving, and, have repeatedly failed to land quality talent at the position.
The problem can't be fixed as it stands...and won't be fixed until he gets better talent, but, even then, it takes time for those guys to develop at the next level.
Bigger issue is that he not only created the problem, but, he acts as though it does not exist with how he calls a game...he does next to nothing at all to account for how bad it is in terms of calling plays.
From all that I have heard, he has a virtual lifetime contract...which, is great in that it will take him that long at the pace he is moving to at some point along the way put together a complete team, as, he has not even come close to doing so with his own guys, and, he is incredibly fortunate to have inherited the guys that he did (despite most/none
It has already been 10+ years more or less of misery...that is how Purdue football generally works...consistently hiring guys that are not capable of winning there is how/why that happens, and, right now, there are more questions than answers surrounding Brohm (which, 5 years in, should not be the case...because if it is, that is probably yet another indicator).
He`s 50 years old and is milking the job.Hope did a better job and we fired him.
Waaaaahhhhh!! There I've said for all of you that would fit better on the IU BB board. Entitled. I hoped for a win yesterday but wasn't surprised by the outcome. Purdue has been a traditionally poor teem in rain. Had yesterday been a dry day we would have been more likely to win. I've been around since 1964. Except for a few brief seasons under Mollenkopf, Young, and Tiller we have not had a winning tradition. I still think Brohm can get us to a reasonable winning tradition. Those that think there's a quick fix hire it's not happening. You're likely the same bunch that wanted Painter fired 5 years ago but will wear your Bouler gear and tell us how great "your" team is with every win this winter. Whine away.
Yeah, that is it...we are entitled...because Purdue made two bowl games under Brohm with Hazell's guys...spoiled rotten we are, you are spot on.
You sound exactly like Brohm himself (he too "hoped for a win" yesterday), but, he did such a poor job leading up to the game and during, that his hope (and your own) did not come true unfortunately. He will hope to win again in two weeks...same as you and I...difference is, we can't do anything more than that...he can (or should at least).
The rain has nothing at all to do with the fact that the OL is as poor as any in 30+ years...nor with calling just ridiculous plays at ridiculous times, or, your defense allowing a 3-play 1-miute 75-yard TD drive to start the second half of a game that your team had for all intents and purposes dominated in every way other than the score board for the first half.
The bar could not have been set lower for Brohm coming in...and, for that matter, it still remains low in general to be honest.
There is no entitlement at all other than feeling like 5 years with all of the money put into the program that they would be capable of more...perhaps for example, in an awful B1G West division that they might be able to take advantage of that and somehow turn that into momentum for the program. Heck, to your point, I would settle for being able to beat a seemingly not great football team at home. Maybe I just need to lower the bar even more and "hope" that Purdue could be better in rain?!?
Be careful....the Brohm worshiping crowd...also know as the "wait another year" group will be all over you. Losing or winning boils down to two things....Coaching and developing. Neither has happened yet. It's only going to get worse
No one’s worshipping Brohm. Anyone with a grasp on Purdue football history knows we are more likely to land a Les Miles or Darrell Hazell than a Tiller or Mollenkopf if we were to move on from Brohm.
As i asked the “Fire Painter” crowd years ago, “Who are we hiring that’s definitely going to be better?”
Broom has actually got worse every year. You are what your record says you are.
Painter wins. Brohm hasn't won nearly enough. Were CMP to have the same results, he'd have been gone long ago
The 2 jobs aren’t remotely similar.
We’ll said, it’s unbelievable how my mind goes to the wrong place is why I start thinking that we could be “Ohio State, Michigan, Georgia, Auburn, etc. etc.“. We are who we are and we have to be reasonable that we are not going to become one of those power houses. We have to understand who we are just like a basketball, it’s been how long since we’ve been to a final four?
To get the top recruits, which all these ridiculous expectations on here talk like we need to be getting the lineman to protect our quarterback that the Ohio State’s of the world get, that’s not happening for five more years at least. “Consistency” is said to be one of the least sexy words in the English language yet it just happens to be one of the most important. And recruits want to see many things. Winning is one but they don’t want coaching turnover.
Frank Beamer had two six win seasons in his first six years. In year five he was 5-6
Yeah, even at its best or in its wildest dreams, Purdue is not approaching those schools...more so now than ever with how things are, but, I don't see people calling for that, much less expecting it.
Is it not reasonable for Purdue to be as good/better than Minnesota? Northwestern? Competitive with Wisconsin and Iowa? It is beyond reasonable to expect Purdue to be clearly better than IU it would seem. Purdue would be an afterthought in the East division, but, it should not be one on the West side of things. Look at the national polls...is it not reasonable for Purdue to be on par with Cincinnati? Wake Forest? NC St.? And there are others.
Purdue is not going to get guys that are Ohio St. guys in general, but, it landed 3/4 guys that were of that caliber, and, has done nothing else to support/supplement that talent or capitalize on it unfortunately.
Again, every coach in the past 30 years at Purdue...including a guy that is arguably one of the worst HCs in college football history, managed to assemble a capable Offensive Line, yet, Brohm/staff somehow have not...is that not a very reasonable expectation that they could/would? It does not have to be guys that OSU is recruiting, but, it has to be far better than the guys that Brohm/staff have been recruiting, and, it was for every coach at Purdue before them for at least the past 30 years.
Recruits are not coming to Purdue because Purdue lacks turnover (and, it really only lacks turnover at the HC position as it has turned over a ton of staff otherwise), and, they definitely are not coming if Purdue is not winning games...it worked with Moore and Karlaftis (both for that matter) and Bell because of some incredibly unique circumstances, and, because they believed that they might be part of something special...that is no longer the case when trying to attract prospective recruits unfortunately.
Brohm is not going anywhere...but, just as his predecessor did for him, if he continues to not have any sustained success and attract some better talent, when the time does come that he leaves, he will make the job more difficult for whoever follows.
Purdue, 5 years in with Brohm, should be in a position reasonably speaking for it to be competitive in the West division, more so with how down it is this year, but, it barely beat an awful Illinois time on a last-minute drive and lost to a less than stellar Minnesota team...both home games...it is missing out on a genuine golden opportunity because of a lack of recruiting and a subsequent lack of development.
IMO there’s no reason why we couldn’t be the next Iowa
I will say this. With grad transfers, the fixes can happen much more quickly. Up to coaches to make it happen.
Let the season play out and we'll see where we stand at the end. Bowl game is not totally out of question at this point. Northwestern, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Indiana, and Michigan State are all games that we should have some sort of shot at. Hard to see road wins at Iowa or OSU though.
I view our current situation more like I viewed CMP in about 2014 where we had a slide and far more people on here than would ever admit to it now were calling for him to be fired but I never doubted that he was the best long-term person for the job. Feel similar here. Some of the problems we face can't be addressed through a coaching change anyway. They are Purdue or college football problems more than they are coaching issues. The issues that do fall on the coach are being worked on but any coach we hire will have some sort of issues to work out. This isn't Daryl Hazell where things are so far bad that just about any hire we make would've been an upgrade.
Less than three years ago most everyone here was on pins and needles hoping we would throw whatever we had to at CJB to keep him from going to Louisville. We made a huge commitment to him at that time, and he actually did the same to us. When we decided to do that, and if someone other than TD2 (who wanted Les Miles) wants to bump a thread where they stood up and said it was a bad idea at that time I'd be more than happy to make note of it, we more or less gave up most any likely scenarios where either side would exit this relationship any time soon.
So we can
1. rip our coaches and team up and down at every struggle
2. be miserable
3. actually make it harder for them to improve like we all want OR
1. simply acknowledge that things aren't perfect
2. realize the coaches are aware of those things and are working hard to improve them to the best of their ability
3. do all we as fans can do to help them improve by supporting them and staying positive and
4. hope for the best.
And in terms of staying positive and supporting them as a fan base, don't think that doesn't make a difference if we ever do have to go hire another coach. If fans check out and quit supporting the team, it will only make the job less desirable for the next coach and the program less desirable for the types of recruits we all want. If we can keep 50k+ in the stands and not make this a place a toxic environment for recruits to come and read (and they do) then the fans are doing what little they can to help.
Let the season play out and we'll see where we stand at the end. Bowl game is not totally out of question at this point. Northwestern, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Indiana, and Michigan State are all games that we should have some sort of shot at. Hard to see road wins at Iowa or OSU though.
I view our current situation more like I viewed CMP in about 2014 where we had a slide and far more people on here than would ever admit to it now were calling for him to be fired but I never doubted that he was the best long-term person for the job. Feel similar here. Some of the problems we face can't be addressed through a coaching change anyway. They are Purdue or college football problems more than they are coaching issues. The issues that do fall on the coach are being worked on but any coach we hire will have some sort of issues to work out. This isn't Daryl Hazell where things are so far bad that just about any hire we make would've been an upgrade.
Less than three years ago most everyone here was on pins and needles hoping we would throw whatever we had to at CJB to keep him from going to Louisville. We made a huge commitment to him at that time, and he actually did the same to us. When we decided to do that, and if someone other than TD2 (who wanted Les Miles) wants to bump a thread where they stood up and said it was a bad idea at that time I'd be more than happy to make note of it, we more or less gave up most any likely scenarios where either side would exit this relationship any time soon.
So we can
1. rip our coaches and team up and down at every struggle
2. be miserable
3. actually make it harder for them to improve like we all want OR
1. simply acknowledge that things aren't perfect
2. realize the coaches are aware of those things and are working hard to improve them to the best of their ability
3. do all we as fans can do to help them improve by supporting them and staying positive and
4. hope for the best.
And in terms of staying positive and supporting them as a fan base, don't think that doesn't make a difference if we ever do have to go hire another coach. If fans check out and quit supporting the team, it will only make the job less desirable for the next coach and the program less desirable for the types of recruits we all want. If we can keep 50k+ in the stands and not make this a place a toxic environment for recruits to come and read (and they do) then the fans are doing what little they can to help.
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Won't get worse than Les Miles. We passed that milestone early in the Brohm era.
TD2 is clueless. He's a Bob Knight worshipper who was exiled from the IU fan base when they moved on from Knight but he didn't. For some reason he's decided to set up home here but he's not a Purdue fan by any stretch of the imagination and his opinion is not to be taken seriously at all.
Did I mention this guy went out of his way to promote Les Miles for the Purdue job?
I think Brohm will hit the transfer portal hard with success. A lot of teams currently sitting at 90-95 schollies will be under a scholarship crunch to get back to 85. There will be some quality P5 linemen out there that got recruited over. Just need to sell sell sell.
The only people that want to get rid of Brohm after five years, with one being COVID, are the same toolsheds that wanted Painter fired. The glaring thin you can see in their responses is that they have zero idea on what they are talking about. Not one of them played, or coached, at any meaningful level yet somehow they think they know better than the AD? Give me a break.
Brohm has already shown he can fix things, just look at the defense and to a degree special teams. He can't be as aggressive as he wants because the o line sucks more than probably anyone expected which with the transfer portal as mentioned, can be fixed quickly.
If we are in the same boat at the end of next season, then there is more credence to talk about getting rid of him. Until then, all of this 'fire Brohm' banter is nothing more than some spindly armed keyboard coaches thinking that because they can be a success in a fantasy league, they all somehow think it gives them the credentials to be be the next Purdue AD or even head football coach.
Brohm has already shown he can fix things, just look at the defense and to a degree special teams. He can't be as aggressive as he wants because the o line sucks more than probably anyone expected which with the transfer portal as mentioned, can be fixed quickly.
If we are in the same boat at the end of next season, then there is more credence to talk about getting rid of him. Until then, all of this 'fire Brohm' banter is nothing more than some spindly armed keyboard coaches thinking that because they can be a success in a fantasy league, they all somehow think it gives them the credentials to be be the next Purdue AD or even head football coach.
I am not in the fire Brohm camp. I am very disappointed where the team stands after five years though. After he first came here, he exceeded my expectations on wins and recruiting. Things were going so well after the first two years. Now not so much as recruiting has fallen off quite a bit. Play calling is very questionable in almost every game. Guessing Brohm has a huge ego and doesn’t think anyone is better than himself in calling plays. If he realized that needs to change I truly believe the team would improve almost overnight.
I agree with your main point here. We can't expect to be the next OSU or even have a run like Wisconsin but realistically can't we expect mediocrity? If we could just get our program on par with Minnesota, Northwestern, Nebraska and Iowa (let alone Wisconsin) we should be able to compete for a Western Division title every few years.
For reference every B10 West team has had a season in which they won at least 9 games since 2016 except Purdue and Illinois. Last year there weren't enough games to win 9. So over a 4 year period Northwestern, Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin and Nebraska all had at least one 9, 10 or 11 win season.
By the way not saying Brohm should have been able to do this on day 1, but going forward I don't think it's unreasonable to expect something similar at Purdue every few years.
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I agree. The season isn't even over this year yet. I'm disappointed with the loss and performance of the OL. What I'm most concerned about is his ability to fix this next year (it is what it is this year). I also think we need to move on from a QB perspective (next year). AOC and Plummer aren't the answer. Hopefully Alaimo will be ready and developed well enough to provide good QB play.
We can't fire Brohm and then expect things to immediately get better. But we also can't sit back and give Brohm forever to fix a problem that's already been going on for 3 or 4 years. If he doesn't take action with staff changes in the offseason, I think he's making a huge mistake.
Okay. And neither's lively hood depends on winning and developing players does it. I'll say it again slowly....Brohm does not bring enough to the table to keep his job. The jobs are extremely similar in that they're athletic contests where the object is being better than those teams being played and winning the majority of them.
Were this Alabama, Georgia, MSU, Texas, or any other school that believes they should be winners, Brohm wouldn't be there with what he's done at PU.
Well stated. And I don't believe that Bobinski is going to tolerate the lack of progress and being able to compete much longer.
Wrong again. Go back and you'll see I supported CMP when his head was wrongly being called for. Painter can coach. I can't believe you and others continually bring Covid up as an excuse. Every team last year had the same situation to deal with....some figured it out, others didn't.
I know you have some internet thing against my posts, and I don't care. Brohm isn't CMP and never will be.
We usually agree a lot. Oconnell threw for 371 with a line that probably would allow me to get to him
Strong and accurate point. There is progress whether the ledge sitters want to admit it or not. Everyone wants to win, but we aren't Alabama so we can't go out and just fire a coach and get who we want. Thats just reality.
And the timetable we all think we are entitled to on here is massively irrelevant. As long as progress is being made, then we are heading in the right direction and there is certainly progress.
However I stand by that if we see nothing new next season, especially with the offensive line, then even I will start to question.
But, the AD has proven that he'll open the checkbook. I like JB, just would like to know why he can recruit some NFL level WRs but can't find and NFL level QB to throw or even serviceable P5 level OL.
That's actually a pretty low bar (unfortunately). We may not be the next OSU, PSU or UM, but we should be competitive on the field with them and win those game periodically, but there's not reason we shouldn't be in that second tier.
Personally I think he had too much to fix to get it all done in one season and he started in the right area. A good defense can usually make up for a bad offense and our defense is actually one of the best in the country in points allowed, I think. that is a monumental turnaround.
Special teams has been an improvement as well as our FG kicker is usually automatic from most ranges.
The play calling is going to be dictated by what the OL can do and with it being horrible at a surprising degree, I have an opinion that it caught JB off guard. Plus we're missing Horvath as he did more than just run, he blocked well. And he was successful, sorta, with this line which shows how strong he was.
There needs to be the same level of changes to the offense that there was to the defense in the offseason. Otherwise we'll repeat this next year and the entire fanbase will abandon ship.
If the entire fanbase is up in arms because we lost a game we were the slightest of favorites in, then that doesn't say much for our fan base. I never saw us once favored by even a full field goal. I did see a couple lines that had Minnesota favored.
