Get a quarterback!

[Hardg]

This is not a personal attack on Plummer or O’Connell. Purdue football success has always been determined by the ability of the starting quarterback to win games for them. I am not talking about 6-6 seasons going to a toilet bowl. I am talking about being favored to win 7 or 8 games on the schedule before season starts and then getting the job done. That doesn’t mean being favored to win 7 or 8 games by posters here. It means highly regarded by coaches and media on the outside.

Unfortunately, neither Plummer or O’Connell are good enough to win 7 or 8 games for Purdue. Sure a better offensive line would help but offensive linemen do not miss open receivers for touchdowns. Purdue cannot compete at an 8 win or more level with quarterbacks that miss on open touchdowns. Great Purdue football successes have never come on the backs of bruising offensive linemen beating up a quality opponent and most likely never will. Success comes from having an NFL caliber quarterback taking snaps.

Ask yourself if you wake up on Saturday excited because Plummer or O’Connell is starting? Be honest. Try to remember that feeling knowing Griese, Danielson, Everett, Orton, or Brees were starting.

I am not calling for the firing of Brohm but it is year 5 and if those 2 are the best quarterbacks on campus, we are not moving in the right direction. It is time to develop an NFL quarterback. Scrambling trying to go 6-6 and failing will not help develop a quarterback capable of getting 8 wins in the future.

 

[AgainstDaWind]

This is not a personal attack on Plummer or O’Connell. Purdue football success has always been determined by the ability of the starting quarterback to win games for them. I am not talking about 6-6 seasons going to a toilet bowl. I am talking about being favored to win 7 or 8 games on the schedule before season starts and then getting the job done. That doesn’t mean being favored to win 7 or 8 games by posters here. It means highly regarded by coaches and media on the outside.

Unfortunately, neither Plummer or O’Connell are good enough to win 7 or 8 games for Purdue. Sure a better offensive line would help but offensive linemen do not miss open receivers for touchdowns. Purdue cannot compete at an 8 win or more level with quarterbacks that miss on open touchdowns. Great Purdue football successes have never come on the backs of bruising offensive linemen beating up a quality opponent and most likely never will. Success comes from having an NFL caliber quarterback taking snaps.

Ask yourself if you wake up on Saturday excited because Plummer or O’Connell is starting? Be honest. Try to remember that feeling knowing Griese, Danielson, Everett, Orton, or Brees were starting.

I am not calling for the firing of Brohm but it is year 5 and if those 2 are the best quarterbacks on campus, we are not moving in the right direction. It is time to develop an NFL quarterback. Scrambling trying to go 6-6 and failing will not help develop a quarterback capable of getting 8 wins in the future.

Get a Big Ten OL & QB play will improve & Brohm will be able to open up his playbook.

 

[HUD628]

Get a Big Ten OL & QB play will improve & Brohm will be able to open up his playbook.

This is true but these QBs leave a lot out there. O’Connell at least tries to make plays, which is why he took the job, but he doesn’t have the arm and took like 30 yards of absolutely horrendous sacks that really affected the game.

 

[SunnyFL24]

This all starts with Brohm....(just my opinion of course)....if he rides his contract out til 2025, we will never be more than a 5-7..7-5 type teams. This is year 5 people and this team is not as good as year 1! That equals no progression as a coach. Offense is stale, nothing creative... Bad offensive line or not!.....13 points in 3 straight games!!Really!!! We will ride out his contract, but be prepared for more of the same. Other than NW....and maybe the Bucket game...I don't see any other wins from what I have seen already!

 

[IUhaterade]

This is true but these QBs leave a lot out there. O’Connell at least tries to make plays, which is why he took the job, but he doesn’t have the arm and took like 30 yards of absolutely horrendous sacks that really affected the game.

I'd say he has plenty of arm. His biggest weakness is what happens anytime he is under rushing pressure. He has very little escape ability as far as avoiding anyone that is trying to sack him. I wish when he sees he is about to get sacked he would just throw the ball to the ground toward the feet of an eligible receiver. Getting out of the pocket and throwing out of bounds past the line of scrimmage does not work when you don't have the ability of stepping out of the pocket before you are sacked.

I will say this- he has improved from last season as for as not passing to David Bell every time. He has shown willingness to spread the ball around-which is needed when the best way to keep a defense off balance for this Purdue team is to spread the ball around to our plethora of good targets. I still think he's bad about locking his eyes onto his first option. He knows who he is going to pass the ball to before the ball is even snapped and he force feeds it to them whether they are open or not. He really needs to learn to try to find the open receiver- as many times (in limited snaps on the season) the person that is most wide open is not who he throws to.

When you combine possessions that stall because of one bad sack, possessions that end because of interceptions (or fumbles), and the random possession that stalls just due to to incompletions or penalties... I do not think playing AOC is a net gain over Plummer. Perhaps he is the guy you go to in the 4th quarter when the offense has been sputtering and you need to score a touchdown to win- but that does mean that he should be the starter.

I maintain that between the 2- Plummer is the better choice to start games for us. Less turnovers, less (basically none) of the egregious variety sacks, and ability to pick up first downs with his feet that should come into play 2-4 times over the course of a game.

I do not think Purdue has defeated a good team this year- maybe Oregon State but I'm not really ready to say that- but I do think we lost a game to a bad team. The loss to the bad team was the game that O'Connell played the entire game.

 

[BBG]

That equals no progression as a coach.

The defensive improvements proves this statement here quite false. I get it, we should of won yesterday and I guarantee the frustration we feel doesn't compare to what the team is going through.

Brohm clearly needs to make a change with the offensive line coaches in the offseason or we will only continue to struggle. Brohm has already shown he is willing to make changes so I fully expect SOMETHING to happen.

Also there is way too much season left with a lot of winnable games to write the team off as far as getting to a bowl game. We are likely going to lose to Iowa and they are a legit team, but several games like Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin and Indiana are all winnable.

So let's not jump off the ledge just yet.

 

[purduepat1969]

The defensive improvements proves this statement here quite false. I get it, we should of won yesterday and I guarantee the frustration we feel doesn't compare to what the team is going through.

Brohm clearly needs to make a change with the offensive line coaches in the offseason or we will only continue to struggle. Brohm has already shown he is willing to make changes so I fully expect SOMETHING to happen.

Also there is way too much season left with a lot of winnable games to write the team off as far as getting to a bowl game. We are likely going to lose to Iowa and they are a legit team, but several games like Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin and Indiana are all winnable.

So let's not jump off the ledge just yet.

Personally, I'm not so sure we don't need someone else other than Brian Brohm to develop the QBs . I get the OL is the biggest problem. But he had more than enough options for a starting QB this year and can't seem to get much out of any of them. I just think Jeff needs to step back and look at whether Brian is getting the job done.

 

[SKYDOG]

The defensive improvements proves this statement here quite false. I get it, we should of won yesterday and I guarantee the frustration we feel doesn't compare to what the team is going through.

Brohm clearly needs to make a change with the offensive line coaches in the offseason or we will only continue to struggle. Brohm has already shown he is willing to make changes so I fully expect SOMETHING to happen.

Also there is way too much season left with a lot of winnable games to write the team off as far as getting to a bowl game. We are likely going to lose to Iowa and they are a legit team, but several games like Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin and Indiana are all winnable.

So let's not jump off the ledge just yet.

One of the biggest changes he needs to make is himself. He needs to stop calling plays and turn it over to someone else.

 

[HUD628]

I'd say he has plenty of arm. His biggest weakness is what happens anytime he is under rushing pressure. He has very little escape ability as far as avoiding anyone that is trying to sack him. I wish when he sees he is about to get sacked he would just throw the ball to the ground toward the feet of an eligible receiver. Getting out of the pocket and throwing out of bounds past the line of scrimmage does not work when you don't have the ability of stepping out of the pocket before you are sacked.

I will say this- he has improved from last season as for as not passing to David Bell every time. He has shown willingness to spread the ball around-which is needed when the best way to keep a defense off balance for this Purdue team is to spread the ball around to our plethora of good targets. I still think he's bad about locking his eyes onto his first option. He knows who he is going to pass the ball to before the ball is even snapped and he force feeds it to them whether they are open or not. He really needs to learn to try to find the open receiver- as many times (in limited snaps on the season) the person that is most wide open is not who he throws to.

When you combine possessions that stall because of one bad sack, possessions that end because of interceptions (or fumbles), and the random possession that stalls just due to to incompletions or penalties... I do not think playing AOC is a net gain over Plummer. Perhaps he is the guy you go to in the 4th quarter when the offense has been sputtering and you need to score a touchdown to win- but that does mean that he should be the starter.

I maintain that between the 2- Plummer is the better choice to start games for us. Less turnovers, less (basically none) of the egregious variety sacks, and ability to pick up first downs with his feet that should come into play 2-4 times over the course of a game.

I do not think Purdue has defeated a good team this year- maybe Oregon State but I'm not really ready to say that- but I do think we lost a game to a bad team. The loss to the bad team was the game that O'Connell played the entire game.

AOC needs his whole body into it every throw. He can’t just rip it. I think he sees windows and often times knows where to get it but it’s tough for him to get it there.

 

[HUD628]

Personally, I'm not so sure we don't need someone else other than Brian Brohm to develop the QBs . I get the OL is the biggest problem. But he had more than enough options for a starting QB this year and can't seem to get much out of any of them. I just think Jeff needs to step back and look at whether Brian is getting the job done.

This is a good point. No one ever talks about Brian. Maybe he is bad? If so, we are screwed because he’s obviously not going anywhere.

 

[ImRonBurgandy?]

Not sure how anyone can say Brian Brohm is the problem with a straight face.

Blough is in the NFL.

Every QB we've had since he arrived has put up big numbers.

A walkon QB is regularly putting up over 300 yards a game.

 

[SunnyFL24]

Not sure how anyone can say Brian Brohm is the problem with a straight face.

Blough is in the NFL.

Every QB we've had since he arrived has put up big numbers.

A walkon QB is regularly putting up over 300 yards a game.

Nobody is putting it squarely on QB play...but when you don't have much of a running game and subpar line play....our QB's are being strangled to a great degree. They may be putting up yards but 13 points in 3 straight games....well enough said.

 

[purduepat1969]

Not sure how anyone can say Brian Brohm is the problem with a straight face.

Blough is in the NFL.

Every QB we've had since he arrived has put up big numbers.

A walkon QB is regularly putting up over 300 yards a game.

Yes, because we damn near pass every down. Big yardage numbers mean nothing if you don't put up points on the scoreboard and win the ball game. And yes, Blough is in the NFL. So what? Brian didn't get him to the NFL. He was an undrafted free agent that worked his ass off. That's probably more of a credit to Blough than anyone else.

In the past 3 years, we've not seen Plummer develop. We've had to bring AOC back into the game multiple times and watch him throw multiple INTs at critical times. And we have a transfer QB that we bring in solely to run the ball after being here for 1 1/2 seasons.

If Jeff Brohm doesn't trust Brian to call plays, then either Jeff's the problem, or Brian's the problem. Either is not a good situation. This team deserves an OC that can call plays. And Jeff seems to be a control freak who can't give accountability to one individual on offense and one on defense.

 

[SunnyFL24]

The defensive improvements proves this statement here quite false. I get it, we should of won yesterday and I guarantee the frustration we feel doesn't compare to what the team is going through.

Brohm clearly needs to make a change with the offensive line coaches in the offseason or we will only continue to struggle. Brohm has already shown he is willing to make changes so I fully expect SOMETHING to happen.

Also there is way too much season left with a lot of winnable games to write the team off as far as getting to a bowl game. We are likely going to lose to Iowa and they are a legit team, but several games like Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin and Indiana are all winnable.

So let's not jump off the ledge just yet.

Disagree...statement here is not quite false.....There are about 4-5 other aspects to the game other than just defense! And we are being hampered in those areas!

 

[MilwaukeeBoilerFan]

This is true but these QBs leave a lot out there. O’Connell at least tries to make plays, which is why he took the job, but he doesn’t have the arm and took like 30 yards of absolutely horrendous sacks that really affected the game.

I like O’Connell with accuracy. He does need to put it on the stands when the pocket has collapsed vs big yardage loss sacks. Timer should go off and nobody is close to open, then stands or go long as in David Bell or other so that IF it got picked it is 50 yards like a punt.

 

[ImRonBurgandy?]

Yes, because we damn near pass every down. Big yardage numbers mean nothing if you don't put up points on the scoreboard and win the ball game. And yes, Blough is in the NFL. So what? Brian didn't get him to the NFL. He was an undrafted free agent that worked his ass off. That's probably more of a credit to Blough than anyone else.

In the past 3 years, we've not seen Plummer develop. We've had to bring AOC back into the game multiple times and watch him throw multiple INTs at critical times. And we have a transfer QB that we bring in solely to run the ball after being here for 1 1/2 seasons.

If Jeff Brohm doesn't trust Brian to call plays, then either Jeff's the problem, or Brian's the problem. Either is not a good situation. This team deserves an OC that can call plays. And Jeff seems to be a control freak who can't give accountability to one individual on offense and one on defense.

So Blough didn't improve under the tutelage of Brian Brohm? Aiden hasn't benefitted from Brian?

Plummer just hasn't really worked out thus far, which has been a huge miss.

 

[Hardg]

I like O’Connell with accuracy. He does need to put it on the stands when the pocket has collapsed vs big yardage loss sacks. Timer should go off and nobody is close to open, then stands or go long as in David Bell or other so that IF it got picked it is 50 yards like a punt.

The problem is you are talking about a walk on red shirt senior and what he needs to improve. Too late! While he is taking snaps trying to improve, those with a potential future are probably wondering why they even came to Purdue.

 

[IUhaterade]

So Blough didn't improve under the tutelage of Brian Brohm? Aiden hasn't benefitted from Brian?

Plummer just hasn't really worked out thus far, which has been a huge miss.

In what context was it a huge miss? Plummer was not a 4* prospect- he was simply the first guy Brohm was able to get a commitment from after he took over the job. Alaimo is supposed to be the guy based on recruiting ranking.

 

[IUhaterade]

The problem is you are talking about a walk on red shirt senior and what he needs to improve. Too late! While he is taking snaps trying to improve, those with a potential future are probably wondering why they even came to Purdue.

exactly. hypothetically is Alaimo had played the final few games of last season he might have earned the #1 spot on the depth chart by now

 

[MilwaukeeBoilerFan]

The problem is you are talking about a walk on red shirt senior and what he needs to improve. Too late! While he is taking snaps trying to improve, those with a potential future are probably wondering why they even came to Purdue.

If any of the rostered QB’s were better, they’d be playing.

 

[Hardg]

If any of the rostered QB’s were better, they’d be playing.

I sat in the south end zone when a Notre Dame back up quarterback wasn’t good enough to be playing. Purdue knocked out the starter so the back up got a chance. He lead a huge Irish come back. His name was Joe Montana. Always wondered what ever happened to him?

My point of this thread was why are we wasting precious time trying to scramble and most likely fail to a 6-6 season with QB’s that are not what a program like Purdue needs under center. They have had a chance and proven they are not the answer. Give a youngster a chance to develop into an 8 or more win QB. Currently, there is not much to be excited about under center. Watching a youngster develop is more exciting than hoping for a 6-6 season with a redshirt walk on senior.

 

[Tommaker]

I sat in the south end zone when a Notre Dame back up quarterback wasn’t good enough to be playing. Purdue knocked put the starter so the back up got a chance. He lead a huge Irish come back. His name was Joe Montana. Always wondered what ever happened to him?

My point of this thread was why are we wasting precious time trying to scramble and most likely fail to a 6-6 season with QB’s that are not what a program like Purdue needs under center. They have had a chance and proven they are not the answer. Give a youngster a chance to develop into an 8 or more win QB. Currently, there is not much to be excited about under center. Watching a youngster develop is more exciting than hoping for a 6-6 season with a redshirt walk on senior.

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[purduepat1969]

So Blough didn't improve under the tutelage of Brian Brohm? Aiden hasn't benefitted from Brian?

Plummer just hasn't really worked out thus far, which has been a huge miss.

We don't currently have a QB that seems to be ready to win a game. Whether that's Brian Brohm's issue or not, I don't know. But he makes a lot of money to develop QBs. And that doesn't seem to have happened thus far.

It seems the offensive staff needs an overhaul like the defense got this year...

 

[Jaycee79]

I sat in the south end zone when a Notre Dame back up quarterback wasn’t good enough to be playing. Purdue knocked put the starter so the back up got a chance. He lead a huge Irish come back. His name was Joe Montana. Always wondered what ever happened to him?

My point of this thread was why are we wasting precious time trying to scramble and most likely fail to a 6-6 season with QB’s that are not what a program like Purdue needs under center. They have had a chance and proven they are not the answer. Give a youngster a chance to develop into an 8 or more win QB. Currently, there is not much to be excited about under center. Watching a youngster develop is more exciting than hoping for a 6-6 season with a redshirt walk on senior.

Hey I was in sec 119 for that game! Montana replaced Rusty Lisch & threw a bunch of touchdowns to Dave Casper. ND's coach at the time was the biggest dick in the world, Dan Devine. No wonder Montana wasn't starting. Devine was also the head coach who didn't want to play Rudy, what a pud.

 

[jmohlman]

I don’t know Michael Alaimo nor his personality. With the transfer portal being what it is, is a kid like him going to get frustrated and tsp-out?

can the system we have currently be any more difficult than it was under Joe tiller? His office was really really difficult to learn and drew Brees learned it in less than two years, so did Curtis painter and I think Kyle Orton did as well… I really like AOC and his ability to sling the ball around the field.

But CJB is correct, yesterday there could’ve been another three or four interceptions, probably should’ve been one or two more. But it’s going to take that gunslinger mentality to knock off an Ohio State

 

[jmohlman]

If any of the rostered QB’s were better, they’d be playing.

This is true, but I’ve always wondered and I’m not saying this trying to diss prove your point because you’re correct. Many times quarterbacks have this “moxie” that allows them to go into a game situation and they play totally differently than they do in practice. We saw that with AOC to some degree…

… but I’ve always wondered (and I’m not saying this trying to disprove your point because you’re correct). Many times quarterbacks have this “moxie” that allows them to go into a game situation and they play totally differently than they do in practice.

 

[Henry_Rosenthal]

Whatever happened to Alaimo? Thought he was supposed to be the goldenboy..

 

[ImRonBurgandy?]

We don't currently have a QB that seems to be ready to win a game. Whether that's Brian Brohm's issue or not, I don't know. But he makes a lot of money to develop QBs. And that doesn't seem to have happened thus far.

It seems the offensive staff needs an overhaul like the defense got this year...

Agree with your first sentence for sure.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

This is not a personal attack on Plummer or O’Connell. Purdue football success has always been determined by the ability of the starting quarterback to win games for them. I am not talking about 6-6 seasons going to a toilet bowl. I am talking about being favored to win 7 or 8 games on the schedule before season starts and then getting the job done. That doesn’t mean being favored to win 7 or 8 games by posters here. It means highly regarded by coaches and media on the outside.

Unfortunately, neither Plummer or O’Connell are good enough to win 7 or 8 games for Purdue. Sure a better offensive line would help but offensive linemen do not miss open receivers for touchdowns. Purdue cannot compete at an 8 win or more level with quarterbacks that miss on open touchdowns. Great Purdue football successes have never come on the backs of bruising offensive linemen beating up a quality opponent and most likely never will. Success comes from having an NFL caliber quarterback taking snaps.

Ask yourself if you wake up on Saturday excited because Plummer or O’Connell is starting? Be honest. Try to remember that feeling knowing Griese, Danielson, Everett, Orton, or Brees were starting.

I am not calling for the firing of Brohm but it is year 5 and if those 2 are the best quarterbacks on campus, we are not moving in the right direction. It is time to develop an NFL quarterback. Scrambling trying to go 6-6 and failing will not help develop a quarterback capable of getting 8 wins in the future.

Either of the QB's are good enough. But they have lousy protection, so-so receivers, and a line that would struggle against Kokomo. Plus, the play calling is still suspect.

 

[indyogb]

Either of the QB's are good enough. But they have lousy protection, so-so receivers, and a line that would struggle against Kokomo. Plus, the play calling is still suspect.

I think we're in the classic case of we have QBs who can win if the rest of the team is good, but can't really carry a team on their own (no shame in that; I can't even do that ). If it was as easy as finding a great QB, we'd have found him by now.

Hopefully one of the guys on the current roster can really develop into such a QB or Brohm & Co. manage to find one soon. I'm sure everyone on the team is working their asses off, and I appreciate their efforts. At least we're competitive, which is more than we could say in the Hazell era.

 

[ImRonBurgandy?]

Either of the QB's are good enough. But they have lousy protection, so-so receivers, and a line that would struggle against Kokomo. Plus, the play calling is still suspect.

"So-so" receivers? Com'on man.

 

[mediaexpert]

Just looking at the stats, we trounced Minny and that was in the rain. We established ball control and I was pleased with O'Connor and we need to give a big hand to Doerue, Wright, and Ansell who have all been knocked in the past. Our kicker finally missed but it was not his fault. He has been very steady for us.

The player we are really missing is Zander. Zander can get us yards in the red zone and is another blocker in passing situations.

We do need at least one trick play a game established early on. And when they bring in 7 OL, may I suggest we bring in 3 DT's?

 

[BCfanatic2020]

This is not a personal attack on Plummer or O’Connell. Purdue football success has always been determined by the ability of the starting quarterback to win games for them. I am not talking about 6-6 seasons going to a toilet bowl. I am talking about being favored to win 7 or 8 games on the schedule before season starts and then getting the job done. That doesn’t mean being favored to win 7 or 8 games by posters here. It means highly regarded by coaches and media on the outside.

Unfortunately, neither Plummer or O’Connell are good enough to win 7 or 8 games for Purdue. Sure a better offensive line would help but offensive linemen do not miss open receivers for touchdowns. Purdue cannot compete at an 8 win or more level with quarterbacks that miss on open touchdowns. Great Purdue football successes have never come on the backs of bruising offensive linemen beating up a quality opponent and most likely never will. Success comes from having an NFL caliber quarterback taking snaps.

Ask yourself if you wake up on Saturday excited because Plummer or O’Connell is starting? Be honest. Try to remember that feeling knowing Griese, Danielson, Everett, Orton, or Brees were starting.

I am not calling for the firing of Brohm but it is year 5 and if those 2 are the best quarterbacks on campus, we are not moving in the right direction. It is time to develop an NFL quarterback. Scrambling trying to go 6-6 and failing will not help develop a quarterback capable of getting 8 wins in the future.

How many game did Orton win in 03? How many do you think he’d win with this OL

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Lol put otto, Turner, hardwick, moore and butler on this team and we are 5-0 and ranked 5th in the nation

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Get bob and brad calling the game too…

“Kelly butler cleared the defense and king doerue scores again .. 21-0 Purdue..”

 

[leodisflowers]

Just looking at the stats, we trounced Minny and that was in the rain. We established ball control and I was pleased with O'Connor and we need to give a big hand to Doerue, Wright, and Ansell who have all been knocked in the past. Our kicker finally missed but it was not his fault. He has been very steady for us.

The player we are really missing is Zander. Zander can get us yards in the red zone and is another blocker in passing situations.

We do need at least one trick play a game established early on. And when they bring in 7 OL, may I suggest we bring in 3 DT's?

Trounced……

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Just looking at the stats, we trounced Minny and that was in the rain. We established ball control and I was pleased with O'Connor and we need to give a big hand to Doerue, Wright, and Ansell who have all been knocked in the past. Our kicker finally missed but it was not his fault. He has been very steady for us.

The player we are really missing is Zander. Zander can get us yards in the red zone and is another blocker in passing situations.

We do need at least one trick play a game established early on. And when they bring in 7 OL, may I suggest we bring in 3 DT's?

You know ole O’Connor… wild QB that guy

 

[Level 42]

"So-so" receivers? Com'on man.

You have to remember twin is a iu reject and wanted les miles. That should tell you all you need to know about him. Calling our receivers 'so-so' is just more evidence.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

You have to remember twin is a iu reject and wanted les miles. That should tell you all you need to know about him. Calling our receivers 'so-so' is just more evidence.

It’s people calling out guys.. so clearly they don’t have a problem calling out individuals.. they just have the wrong individuals

 

[Minnesota_Boiler]

This is not a personal attack on Plummer or O’Connell. Purdue football success has always been determined by the ability of the starting quarterback to win games for them. I am not talking about 6-6 seasons going to a toilet bowl. I am talking about being favored to win 7 or 8 games on the schedule before season starts and then getting the job done. That doesn’t mean being favored to win 7 or 8 games by posters here. It means highly regarded by coaches and media on the outside.

Unfortunately, neither Plummer or O’Connell are good enough to win 7 or 8 games for Purdue. Sure a better offensive line would help but offensive linemen do not miss open receivers for touchdowns. Purdue cannot compete at an 8 win or more level with quarterbacks that miss on open touchdowns. Great Purdue football successes have never come on the backs of bruising offensive linemen beating up a quality opponent and most likely never will. Success comes from having an NFL caliber quarterback taking snaps.

Ask yourself if you wake up on Saturday excited because Plummer or O’Connell is starting? Be honest. Try to remember that feeling knowing Griese, Danielson, Everett, Orton, or Brees were starting.

I am not calling for the firing of Brohm but it is year 5 and if those 2 are the best quarterbacks on campus, we are not moving in the right direction. It is time to develop an NFL quarterback. Scrambling trying to go 6-6 and failing will not help develop a quarterback capable of getting 8 wins in the future.

Also Mark Herrmann and Scott Campbell