It is not "on the verge of being unacceptable"...it is indeed unacceptable, and if anyone at all had more than minimal expectations of/for him and the program, it would be deemed as such.
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Well it is acceptable to me. It must have been acceptable to Burke and the board. My early read is that Bobinski will find similar or better results acceptable although that's strictly me reading into what he has said in public thus far.
I had already said that it was acceptable to those with no more than minimal expectations of/for Painter and his program...only time will tell if Bobinski does or does not have the same minimal expectations.
I hoped for a better result, buy I'm not surprised. What makes this situation really hard to accept is CMP gambling 2 recruiting classes on this and failing. He just can't afford developmental players now, and he's probably going to have them.
Well "minimal" is a matter of perspective. I do not perceive those results as minimal. There are many basketball programs who would take those results and if you were to pool together the coaches who have met or exceeded those same minimal expectations over a sustained period of time at their school the list wouldn't be that long. Could they be better? Yea they can always be better. I think what you're wanting is more of a complete cultural change of the athletic department and the University's direction for it.
It's about the coaching staff as a whole, to be more specific, but I share your sentiment.
Painter, from my point of view, did everything he possibly could to get JJJ. Honestly, if the HOF induction was this weekend and not last weekend...JJJ is probably here. He said a big reason was that Izzo made him feel very special because he visited him directly after that induction. That is a tough piece to compete with and something Painter simply can't do. Heck, he pulled a similar tactic with Haas and that got him to campus. Many times it comes down to a small detail like that and I can't fault Painter for it. He had identified JJJ early on, made in roads with him and established a great relationship, and made him feel comfortable with the program the players inside it. He did everything in his power and came up short...sometimes some things are simply out of your control.
You're making excuses for this staff. It's their job to not come up short. This is another letdown.
So would you blame it on Painter or the player if someone missed a shot as time expired in the NCAA Tourney? Painter did recruit them but inevitably it is the player making the moves. The same could be for recruiting. Painter is doing everything that he can and made a solid run at JJJ, but inevitably it is up to the player to make the decision. If you want to be mad at someone for that, then congrats...you can sit in the corner and curse and cry yourself to sleep. Had Painter ignored the player or done/said something that pissed the player off and it was reported as such, then I would give you all the right in the world to be upset. But being upset at the head coach because of a decision made by an 18 year old, seems to me....a bit childish. A coach should be judged more on his effectiveness on the court and not the recruiting trail.
If you don't believe me, let's take a look at where that has gotten Illinois after Bruce Weber was forced to recruit those kids and then fired......
A coach should ABSOLUTELY be judged by their effectiveness on the recruiting trail. That's part of their job: to be persuasive and likeable enough to sway a recruit to their program.
I like CMP, but he must have one hell of a collection of steak knife sets.
long time reader, very rare poster. Are we doing so well that a complete change of culture would be a bad thing? I don't want us to be IU or UK (completely insufferable fanbases, questionable values, etc etc) but the year after year gut punch of at best losing in the early rounds of the tourney for both basketball teams and being beyond embarrassing in football needs to stop or else Purdue should stop having athletics. Show some innovation and inspiration at least. Please.
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Don't agree with this but I can see the rational thought behind this line of thinking.
The football program is a different animal and that needs to be addressed. I'm not sure you can find one single Purdue fan that would disagree with that although they may disagree on how to best address it.
If we have to endure a couple years with early losses in the NCAA tournament it sucks but I can deal with that. I am confident that we will go further and I'm confident that the caliber of coach we would attract in a switch would be such that it would put us further away from the goal of greater tournament success instead of moving towards that goal. Just my thoughts on the matter.
Painter initiated step one of a culture change himself after the flirtation with mizzou
Agree completely with this. His power play came right when Burke and the AD was at their most vulnerable with the Mackey re-seating and the introduction of the legacy fee. If he had left then it would not have been good for Burke. Some people got upset because he got a raise out of it but he got significant raises for his staff and some extra money for recruiting if I remember correctly. Some of the same people that want to demonize him for making a higher salary are the same people always screaming about how cheap the athletic department is and how we need to throw more money at this and that problem. Those people should be thankful that Painter used that leverage to make Burke loosen the purse strings a bit because really, other than maybe Joe Tiller for a couple of years, he has been the only person with enough leverage to force Burke's hand.
This can well be true. But the list of coaches that CAN do that is finite ... and finding the next one is incredibly difficult. None of those that clearly exist right now are going to move to Purdue. What are the odds of finding the next one that is not known? Was it Shaka? How is he doing this year? Is it Miller? How is he doing this year? Who is the next elite recruiter that no one knows yet? And what are the odds that we miss on guessing who it is?
Slow down K-Meide. Don't let your anger over this situation create enemies where their are none. DG10 has a point. We are going up against a HOF coach who has had NAAT success. We do fall short in that measure, so I can understand that aspect of the completion between the schools affecting his decision.
If you were a Dad of a player who MSU wanted ..... where would you encourage? Unless you were 4th on the depth chart ...
This is one of the dumber things I've read on the internet.....
You mean the final decision is up to the player? Duh...who'd have thunk it. You mean the coach recruiting the player has no impact on that recruits decision-making process? Man, that's internet gold right there.
Here's the thing: All the top coaches are essentially selling the same product: "Hey, come play for me at XYZ University....You'll get to play right away, we're on TV a lot, we're in a Power 5 conference, you'll have a great supporting cast, we have great facilities, great fan support, and I'll help prepare you for reaching your goal of playing in the NBA."
Now, what it comes down to is who can convey the message most convincingly and get the recruit to believe it.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
Change it tough and stepping into the unknown obviously comes with risks. But, if you're not willing to take that risk, you'll never know what could have been.
There are no guarantees, but that's the risk you take.
Some people are risk adverse where others see risk as opportunity.
Good Lord you're a moron. You negatwatts constantly whine about Painter basically not holding a gun to a recruits head and forcing him here and then go on to blame Painter for a recruit making his own decision and either picking or not picking us.
I get it, you lack the capacity to understand simple concepts, so perhaps you should just stop posting here so you don't further embarrass yourself.
I don't understand why trump and Hillary are wasting hundreds of millions of dollars on their campaigns, when the electorate is going to vote for whoever they want.
Izzo has been on the wrong end of plenty of these battles for highly ranked kids too. Normally loses them to UK, KU or Duke though.
Painter has never been past the Sweet 16 and doesn't put players in the league. Two things that hurt him.
While I do agree that you have to give credit where credit is due (AJ, JJ, etc...), Painter does not have many. And you should note that every time someone talk about how AJ was first round talent, they also talk about how his coach publically questioned his drive, heart and effort levels.
So, who is to blame when you lose a recruiting battle?
Do you also believe that a coach isn't to blame when his team loses on the field or court? After all, it's the players making the plays or making the mistakes, not the coach.
But if you have a winning football team, it is obvious the athletic department at that school really cares about performance. So that school is the place to be.
It's disappointing to everybody. If you can't grasp that Purdue is not going to get every recruit you want there is no way you will be happy.
After reading the posts of people the last few weeks, it's become clear that there is nothing that Painter will ever do to make some happy. There has been a lot of emotional rants like what nag did but yet no real input as to what Painter, or any coach, would do differently.
There was a lot of crying for Painter to go after these 5 star recruits and now that he is, there is a lot of crying that he should go after 4 stars. The constant back and forth will make your head spin.
Half this board every time someone commits somewhere other than Purdue.
Wilkes axed us from his list...the "there goes one" posts came out. Then Young goes to Butler so out came the "that's embarrassing" posts. Then Scruggs goes prep and JJJ leaves us at the alter which generated the "there's no talent left" drama.
All schools miss on most of their realistic targets. That's just the math.
Now if no top 100's sign up when it's all said and done it will be a big problem, but there's way too much "I told you we suck" thinking at this point.
We don't need to get every top 100 recruit, but it looks like we may very well MISS on every top 100 recruit, one year after only signing 1 player. Hard to argue that wouldn't be a problem. The fact that we whiffed on the best class to come out of the state in at least 5 years makes it sting even worse.
This is the part that most frustrates me. I recognize that recruiting has become "global" and keeping kids in state is much more difficult. I was just hoping that at least 1 would come here. Especially when CMP was on JJJ and Malik so early. I'm still hoping for a strong class, but the fact that we didn't get any of the kids makes that job much harder. If X and Eastern go elsewhere it really gets hard.
And does the player like the coaches. Everyone assumes CMP is this great guy. I think he fails miserably with the culture and personalities of the kids today. CMP is a Gene or Bobby kinda guy....on and off the court.
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