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My SEZ tickets went down by $1, per season ticket for a total savings of $4. I can now buy a Happy Meal at McD's to celebrate and have 83 cents left over. #OnePercentersLifestyle

All joking aside, I really am not sure how much this affects those with the "good" seats. I just saw comments about lower prices and checked mine to see it was pretty much the same (hard to lower what is already discount-tickets).
 
Not sure how much it impacts my 5 yardline seats either. I barely remember writing the last check, but seemed marginally similar.

I respect the jesture, and applaud the business move.

The athletic department/Burke has been painfully stupid about ticket prices for some time now.
 
Stacy, off topic and maybe you guys have covered this on the premium board, but speaking of product on the field any update on the coaching search? I may have missed it.
 
You're right, that would be premium board content, likely posted in a Boiling Over or straight into KHC.

Hazell has been interviewing candidates this week. I'd expect a hire to be made by the end of the week.
 
Originally posted by Stacy_GoldandBlack.com:
You're right, that would be premium board content, likely posted in a Boiling Over or straight into KHC.

Hazell has been interviewing candidates this week. I'd expect a hire to be made by the end of the week.
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Great thanks, as I expected. I just hadn't heard any grumblings and was curious if anything seemed imminent. To me I see your guys' articles about target players having interest and see WR's and athletes being prominent and can't help but think that having a WR coach in place could be helpful at this time of year when you are making first contact with these kids. Thanks for the response will wait to see how it plays out.
 
Yet the "legacy" fees remain intact, which adds at least $100 per season ticket.

This legacy fee has destroyed Purdue ticket sales in football and men's basketball. It doesn't count for JPC at all, so it basically is a $100 increase in season tickets for any of those sections (which in Mackey is everywhere except like 3 rows in like 2 sections).

So basically Purdue's charging people for season tickets, then asking them to pay a mandatory $100 fee per season tickets and then asking them to donate to the JPC.

Great business model indeed.
 
Originally posted by lbodel:
Yet the "legacy" fees remain intact, which adds at least $100 per season ticket.

This legacy fee has destroyed Purdue ticket sales in football and men's basketball. It doesn't count for JPC at all, so it basically is a $100 increase in season tickets for any of those sections (which in Mackey is everywhere except like 3 rows in like 2 sections).

So basically Purdue's charging people for season tickets, then asking them to pay a mandatory $100 fee per season tickets and then asking them to donate to the JPC.

Great business model indeed.
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How many other schools in the conference aren't doing this?
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I don't know of any school in the Big Ten that does.

You need to realize that many schools have required donations with seats or seat their stadium based on priority points (based on donations). That is the school's equivalent of JPC donations (Purdue seats their stadiums based on JPC priority points). - But that's not what the legacy fee is.

The legacy fee is ON TOP OF those things. For example, paying a legacy fee of $250 per season ticket doesn't get you in the lower bowl in Mackey. The eligibility of sitting in the lower bowl in Mackey is determined by your JPC priority points - donations to the JPC. Then tack on the legacy fee of $250 per seat ON TOP OF your required JPC donation. Mackey and Ross-Ade's seats are assigned in JPC priority, but beyond your JPC donation, you still have to pay the legacy fee.

It's not common at all. It's essentially double-taxation.



This post was edited on 2/18 9:35 PM by lbodel
 
Fwiw Burke said many schools and most big ten schools have done this for years and cited purdue as behind the times when he rolled it out.

I dont have an issue with the fee at all
 
I'm well aware of the background of it.

This article also misrepresents other schools. Wisconsin puts seat values with donations. So you're eligible to sit in those seats if you donate that per seat. But again, it's NOT a legacy fee. That donation is that person's JPC donation, which factors into priority seating.

Purdue uses JPC priority to seat both of their stadiums. Then ON TOP OF THAT donation, they tack on the loyalty fee. Wisconsin is NOT doing that. Wisconsin's "FEE" is their equivalent to John Purdue Club donation. They aren't the same thing. Purdue's asking for BOTH.

Mackey is where this is the biggest joke. Season tickets are already over $500 for upper bowl. Then there's a mandatory $100 legacy fee on top of that. So basically, before you donate $1 to the John Purdue Club, you are paying over $600/season ticket. Can't imagine why Purdue's ticket sales dropped off - even when Purdue made the tournament. Purdue's sold out 1 home game this year vs. IU (Purdue tacks on a "legacy fee" for single game tickets too).

Here's the problem - Purdue is trying to milk people by getting them to donate to the JPC while adding on an additional fee that isn't JPC. They compare it to other schools, when those schools are not doing that.

If Purdue wants 50 yard line seats to be $400/seat contribution to JPC, then just make it the requirement to sit in those seats. Why add a totally different fee on top of the JPC? There's zero sense in adding on additional fees on top of JPC donations, which are what determines your seat priority. It's not very transparent and has little common sense. It's also very disingenuous because many schools offer per seat donations at much less than $100 per seat. For example, Michigan State offers $25 and $50 per seat donation sections on top of the non-donation required seating. So having this blanket set fee for all of these sections is silly. Why not tier it? Have the endzone/goal line seats be $25/seat JPC donation. The 10 yard line seats be $50/seat. The 20 yard line be $100/seat. The 20-30 yard line seats be $150/seat. The 30-40 be $200. The 40-50 be $400. Or something like that?

Fix the system instead of having basically 2 different systems (JPC + legacy fee).
 
Well you can look for yourself…


Wisconsin - They seat by priority points and they recommend contributions per seat for certain sections to have the minimum points necessary to sit there. This is basically how Purdue does seating as well. The contributions are to their JPC and there is no fee on top.
http://supportthebadgers.athletics.wisc.edu/tickets/fbnewtickets.aspx


Michigan State - This page explains the donation to the Spartan Fund (their JPC) to sit in sections. You'll notice they don't start at $100. There is no fee on top of the Spartan Fund donation.
http://spartanfund.net/tickets-parking/football/tickets/

Iowa - Their contributions are all part of their JPC giving levels. They also start at $50 for seats around the 10 yard line. There is no fee on top of their I Club donation (their JPC).
http://www.jointheiclub.com/gameday/prioritypoints#football

Keep in mind that with these contributions, they are part of these school's "JPC" levels. So if they have 2 seats for $100/seat for their donation for football - that $200 also counts as a First Team JPC membership that also counts for basketball.

So basically Purdue is double taxing/double dipping by adding the fees.

My thing is - Purdue's NOT these schools. Morgan complains that people at Wisconsin are paying $400/seat at football and we're only asking for XX amount. Well, that's misleading for a couple reasons. First off, Purdue seats based on JPC priority - so to sit on the 50 yard line, you can't be donating nothing to the JPC. So you're already making a donation to the JPC to sit on the 50 yard line then Purdue's adding on a $250 per seat fee ON TOP of that. So in all reality, Purdue's probably making more than $400/seat because of this.

Secondly, if Purdue wants to instill per zone seat donations, they can. I don't get why they feel it necessary to then add a completely separate fee. The reason is they want to double dip.

Third, at all of these other schools, as I mentioned, their gifts are not only for football. The $400/seat donation at Wisconsin counts as part of their "JPC" level donation, so if they have 4 seats, that's a $1600 donation that also counts for their basketball tickets if they have those.
 
Originally posted by lbodel:
Yet the "legacy" fees remain intact, which adds at least $100 per season ticket.

This legacy fee has destroyed Purdue ticket sales in football and men's basketball. It doesn't count for JPC at all, so it basically is a $100 increase in season tickets for any of those sections (which in Mackey is everywhere except like 3 rows in like 2 sections).

So basically Purdue's charging people for season tickets, then asking them to pay a mandatory $100 fee per season tickets and then asking them to donate to the JPC.

Great business model indeed.
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I thought it does count toward JPC point total.
 
You get some points, but it doesn't count towards your JPC contribution.

So for example, you have to be All-American to be eligible to sit in the lower bowl. You had to be an MVP to order more than 2 season tickets (at least a couple years ago). Your "legacy fund" doesn't count towards that stuff.

Purdue's own publication on the Legacy Fund says:

"Beginning next season, the Boilermaker Legacy Fund contribution will be an annual per seat obligation in addition to the cost of the ticket and designated John Purdue Club membership requirements for seating."

It explicitly says it's on top of JPC of everything.
 
Originally posted by lbodel:
You get some points, but it doesn't count towards your JPC contribution.

So for example, you have to be All-American to be eligible to sit in the lower bowl. You had to be an MVP to order more than 2 season tickets (at least a couple years ago). Your "legacy fund" doesn't count towards that stuff.

Purdue's own publication on the Legacy Fund says:

"Beginning next season, the Boilermaker Legacy Fund contribution will be an annual per seat obligation in addition to the cost of the ticket and designated John Purdue Club membership requirements for seating."

It explicitly says it's on top of JPC of everything.
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I still dont take issue with the fund personally, as in I dont mind writing the check. I want them to have more revenue.

Especially in light that other schools dont mimic the structure of our fees, I totally agree its poorly conceived. On par with Burkes usual smugness when addressing the media about donations.

Its hard for me to believe that guy's paycheck is that big. Seems like a lot of people could operate at his level right now.
Perhaps Im short changing him.
 
Originally posted by boiler17:
Originally posted by lbodel:
You get some points, but it doesn't count towards your JPC contribution.

So for example, you have to be All-American to be eligible to sit in the lower bowl. You had to be an MVP to order more than 2 season tickets (at least a couple years ago). Your "legacy fund" doesn't count towards that stuff.

Purdue's own publication on the Legacy Fund says:

"Beginning next season, the Boilermaker Legacy Fund contribution will be an annual per seat obligation in addition to the cost of the ticket and designated John Purdue Club membership requirements for seating."

It explicitly says it's on top of JPC of everything.
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I still dont take issue with the fund personally, as in I dont mind writing the check. I want them to have more revenue.

Especially in light that other schools dont mimic the structure of our fees, I totally agree its poorly conceived. On par with Burkes usual smugness when addressing the media about donations.

Its hard for me to believe that guy's paycheck is that big. Seems like a lot of people could operate at his level right now.
Perhaps Im short changing him.
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Agreed. I will write the check as well. They need less cheap asses. They allow first team jpc too much access.
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I am all for lowering the ticket prices as I think they were too high but it's really the legacy fees as mentioned that bother me, but that's not the point of my post here. I think this is actually a bad idea to lower prices at this point in so much as it signals that you aren't sure you are going to be better this year. Sure it presents good will, but if you really think about it and feel that you are going to be better this year then you keep ticket price at least the same. The team is so bad right now that lowering the ticket prices isn't really going to get people to buy more tickets because they already know it's a bad product. You don't buy a bad product just because it's better. So really you are just screwing yourself next year out of money because the only way to sell more tickets is to win more. And if you win more next year and start selling more tickets... well you're losing revenue because you've dropped prices. Honestly. At the end of the day I would imagine for a lot of people they aren't going to games because the prices are too high, it's because the team is so bad.

So congrats, you lowered ticket prices arbitrary amounts, you probably didn't get any more tickets sold than to people who were already going, but now if they are good next year, you're losing out on all that ticket revenue. The only people the lower ticket prices help right now are the people who are already buying tickets (which is nice for them) or if the team sucks next year the people who already bought tickets aren't out as much. What they should have done is try to find a way to give back to the people who bought tickets from Purdue ticket office last year and reward them, without hitting possible future revenue. Give folks who went this year to the bad games, the chance to buy additional cheap tickets for games this year if we are good.
 
It has nothing to do with being cheap. I think the fact that they're essentially creating loopholes to double-charge their biggest fans is absurd.

1. First off, as I mentioned, an upper level basketball season ticket costs over $500. Then tack on your JPC donation (minimum $200). Then tack on your Legacy Fund ($100 per seat). So if you're buying 2 season tickets, that's $1400. And that can be row 20 in the upper arena. So to call someone being "cheap" for that - is pretty absurd.

2. This basically targets Purdue's best fans because as I mentioned, the way other schools do it - the per seat donation to the school's equivalent of the JPC - that donation counts towards their membership level and counts for football and men's basketball. The way Purdue has set it up - it doesn't count towards your membership level AND it is separate for football and men's basketball. So if you want football and men's basketball season tickets, you'll pay your JPC and you'll pay your football legacy fee and your basketball legacy fee.

I don't mind Purdue assigning seat values for a JPC donation as I mention. Have the prime seats be jacked up and have the 10 yard line seats be - hell $25/seat donation the JPC. I just don't get the straight across $100 minimum per seat. As I pointed out with other MUCH BETTER football schools, they're doing small increments than we are and they only have one donation - not two.

So Purdue's basically saying we have this core group of fans, albeit a small number, and we're gonna squeeze all the pennies out of them because we can't find people to buy tickets. Why? Because we put out a bad product.
 
LBODEL - I understand your point (and I don't like the extra fee either) but when you consider you can't even buy season tickets at OSU (and maybe Mich) without paying thousands to be in the Booster club, the $100 is relatively cheap comparatively speaking. What I didn't like was the timing of it. You don't roll out a surcharge like this when the team is struggling. People won't pay it regardless of if it's $100 or $4000 when the team goes 3-9 or worse.
 
But that's not even a fair comparison. First and foremost, Purdue football is NOT and will NEVER be on the level of Ohio State/Michigan in terms of season ticket demand - and quite frankly, neither will most other Big Ten schools. That's not even worth talking about/comparing.

I linked 3 very solid football programs - Michigan State, Wisconsin and Iowa. Wisconsin is a bit more unclear, but Michigan State and Iowa have season ticket areas that you don't have to be a donor. That's why I'm saying - if Iowa and Michigan State have donor sections that has a lower contribution requirement than Purdue does (Iowa has $50/seat and MSU has $25/seat), why is Purdue starting out at $100/seat on TOP of being a JPC member?

As I mentioned, my biggest objection is that it is separate from the JPC and is not more tiered. I think it's absurd that someone in the first row at center court of the upper bowl in Mackey is paying the same legacy fee as someone in row 20 in the corner. And it should all be part of your JPC donation.

And you're exactly right, when it was rolled out was absurd for football. For basketball, they rolled it out at a "peak" but quickly found out that even the next year when we were still a good team, they lost a lot of season tickets and it probably had to do with the price tags.
 
Originally posted by PBoiler84:
LBODEL - I understand your point (and I don't like the extra fee either) but when you consider you can't even buy season tickets at OSU (and maybe Mich) without paying thousands to be in the Booster club, the $100 is relatively cheap comparatively speaking. What I didn't like was the timing of it. You don't roll out a surcharge like this when the team is struggling. People won't pay it regardless of if it's $100 or $4000 when the team goes 3-9 or worse.
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No what was wrong with the timing was he just got done telling everyone how he has a big war chest for all of coach Hazell's needs and then can only come up with half and sticks the hand back out with these fees to pay for what he already said he had. When he hired Hazell he said resources weren't a problem and wouldn't be a problem. Then like 6 months later he needed to find another couple of million.
 
Do you have to be jpc to buy premium seats or can one just pay the legacy fee and the price of tickets?

Michigan St puts fees on most of their tickets. Would you find it better to pay a $25 fee per end zone seat? Also, $200 is pennies and shouldn't entitle people to premium seats. They should put a higher minimum for jpc to order premium seats and scrap the legacy fee, but then there would be those complaining about that as well. For those of us that pay it will. For those that complain about $100 they'd complain about $25 too.
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I don't mind paying the fees. I get points and the fees are tax deductible.

All of the Big Ten ticket revenue is split between the member schools. The reason schools do these fees is to raise the ticket prices without having to cough up any money to the conference. We are getting in on the scam late is what Morgan was referring to. I have been getting season basketball tickets for 5 years and the ticket price has not increased. There are very few things that do not increase in price year over year. So instead of raising the price of the ticket, they added a legacy fee. Who cares?

If you want to mad about getting ripped off, you should be mad at the school. Not only are we a stand alone program - which I like - the school pillages money from the athletic department, MILLIONS! That really grinds my gears. We sponsor the minimum number of sports to be considered D1. With that extra money, we could add Men's soccer, Lacrosse, and/or Volleyball. The reason other conference schools have more NCAA titles than us is because they are able to win them in niche sports.
 
This is how Purdue works:

Purdue seats people based on JPC priority points. Obviously that means all current JPC members are seated in priority over all non-JPC ticket purchasers. However, Purdue also uses JPC giving levels as cut-offs for certain things. For example, the number of season tickets you can buy. It also is used as a cut-off for lower bowl in Mackey, postseason tickets, who's eligible to buy certain tickets (i.e. lower level Crossroads Classic in theory).

The legacy fee is ON TOP of that JPC donation. It does not count towards your JPC donation (although you do get 1 JPC point per $100). When you say "Michigan State puts fees on most of their tickets" - that is NOT their equivalent of a legacy fee. Their "fee" is their John Purdue Club donation and it applies to both football and men's basketball tickets - they aren't mutually exclusive.

This also isn't black and white. MSU has $25/seat donation for endzone tickets, but their stadium is a completely different set-up. They have areas in their 2nd deck that do not require a season ticket donation - at the 50 yard line.

My point on the $25/seat is that Purdue is operating on a "$100 or nothing" system. First, I think it should be only JPC donation - not another separate fee. Have required JPC donations in a tiered like ALL of these other Big Ten schools.

For example, with Michigan State - you can get 4 season tickets in their lower bowl for $25/seat donation. That's a $100 donation to their JPC for those 4 season tickets. Then let's say you want to buy 2 season tickets for MSU basketball in donor priority sections. MSU's lowest per seat donation for MBB is $125/seat. So if you want 2, you'd need to be a $250 donor to MSU's JPC. Well, you've already made a $100 donation for the football tickets, so you need to make the difference up - $150 - to be at the $250. So you can then continue to make a $250 donation to get your 4 football tickets and 2 basketball tickets.

How Purdue's operating is you make your JPC donation to get the priority seats, then we'll tack on a $100/seat fee for each football ticket in those donor priority sections and then we'll tack on another $100/seat fee for basketball tickets - oh, and on the basketball tickets it doesn't matter if you're in a donor priority section or not.

Basically, Purdue's double dipping/double-taxing - however you want to call it. This is essentially punishing the best fans as the way most other schools operate is that your donation to the JPC is all you have to make and your donation counts towards football AND men's basketball.

As I said, Purdue's taking advantage of its core fans and pinching pennies from them instead of putting out a product that they could get a broader base from. I do not agree with that tactic and the system Purdue is using is NOT on par with our peers.
 
Great explanation but I still don't mind paying the fees in addition to my annual contribution. Please tell me you are over the $500 annual donation to take such a hard stance on this.
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Regardless of contribution level, its still poorly conceived.

Lbods right imo.

We have all roasted burke on here for demanding money like clown shoes on here before.
 
It's not whether it's personally ok with you or not.

What I'm saying is that it punishes our best fans, not all of whom make a lot of money. When we're struggling in attendance for football (primarily) and men's basketball (we've only sold out 1 game this entire season), why you're imposing something more aggressive than our Big Ten peers seems a bit off to me.

I want what's best for PURDUE, not for myself. I think Purdue could have a lot more donors and a lot more ticket purchasers with a different system.

On that same note, JPC's first donor level is $200 - which take how big of a fan you personally are out of it, is a lot to many people. Michigan State's first donor level is $50 - hence their $25 donation/seat in their football stadium - so if you get 2 of those seats, you're at their first donor level at $50.

Purdue has one of the highest "entry level" donation levels. Quite frankly, I think Purdue would have more success targeting the football season ticket holder who isn't a donor to do $25/seat for $50 donation to sit in "ok" seating areas - than they are to charge $100/seat when the demand is just not there.

This is why I said I'd like to see more of a tiered approach with JPC donations than some legacy fee. I don't think Purdue should be putting a $100 blanket fee on top of a donation, and that $100 is the same for first row at halfcourt in the upper level at Mackey as the 20th row in the corner.

This has nothing to do with whether we're personally willing to, it's about creating flexible options to maximize the support of Purdue fans. Purdue's system is one that you'd maybe expect for a school that is selling out their football/basketball arenas on a consistent basis and has a demand. Purdue is nowhere near that for either sport, let alone both.

Purdue should be focused on creating solutions to improve attendance and support instead of laying across fees to take advantage of their best fans. I don't think Purdue's current system encourages new or increased support - both in terms of ticket sales or JPC.
 
If the school steals $3M from the athletic department for general projects, technically part of that $3M is my annual donation. When I donate to JPC, I can only deduct 80% of the money. When I donate to the school, I can deduct 100%. So if my athletic contributions are being used for the school against my wishes, they are defrauding me out of money. If I filed a lawsuit, I would likely lose, but if it brought enough attention to the topic, it may get them to stop the stealing. Kind of like the Northwestern union thing.

The point being that I still feel the problem is with the school. The legacy fund is there to balance the budget. We already sponsor the minimum amount of teams. We don't have the money to be giving to the school. I agree with your point that it is double taxation.
 
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Fill up Ross Ade!

It's YOUR team & YOUR school!

Take pride in that!

Otherwise if (any of) y'all suddenly come running back

when

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That doesn't really make sense. First off, the legacy fee is not going away when the funding for the student center is complete. So to correlate that is not really truthful.

Secondly, as you point out, Purdue is sponsoring the fewest number of sports in the Big Ten. Big Ten revenue is distributed equally - so shouldn't we be (in theory) making out better than our peers? Even if we have some money go to the university, we're sponsoring a lot fewer sports than many of our peers. I think we make way too many excuses for our athletic department. Our revenue is higher than many schools with better sports programs.
 
We've gone into this several times how that is much fuzzier than comes across (i.e. schools that have a student fee for student tickets vs. selling them - that comes across as "school support" even though Purdue makes more money the selling route). Also, Purdue's parking revenue comes into the athletic department, while at other schools it comes in to the university parking services, which is then transferred to the athletic department - so again, that is getting "funding" from the university, but in all reality, it's just the same money being funneled in different ways. So that stat is more of a "politics" kind of line that is true, but doesn't tell the whole side of the story. And irregardless, Purdue's revenue is STILL higher than many other major conference schools that have successful programs even after all of that is said and done.
 
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