Fire Painter

[boilernuke]

Well congrats , maybe u should get an infomercial and sell ur wisdom to the masses, because anybody who watched that first half could expect nothing than a solid effort that would fall short following a quick second half foul from Swaigan and a bunch of unforced turnovers, but conceed in the end, the four or five of u that bully the rest of the people on this website are all knowing.... I respect two of the all knowing groupo, Dakota Girl and Mathboy, the rest are just a bunch of "I told u so's, your opinions don't matter around here"....

I really don't get it. Purdue just had a very exciting win, coming back from 17 down to beat an instate rival for our first win in the crossroads classic. This was also a nice neutral site win over a similarly ranked team. Gutsy and fun win for the Boilers (not to mention a heart breaking loss for the irish!). Why on earth would anyone defend the negative nancies? They deserve all the I-told-you-sos for spewing all the knee-jerk venom over one half of basketball.

I'm really happy for the team and coaches for a gritty win. This will continue to be a fun season for the Boilers. Just enjoy this win and stop looking for little negative tidbits to taint the victory. The good guys won!

 

[TC4THREE]

I didn't post here during the game....I watched and hoped like many....my point remains thou

Thanks for proving my point TC, I didn't post during the game either, but just like YOU, I didn't expect them to win after that first half effort...glad they did, not anti Painter, just get tired of people attcking the pessimists given our recent track record, wouldn't be here if I didn't give a shit, just wish a few would stop disregarding everyone's opinion that doesn't fit their agenda!

Not sure what point you think I've proven but there's a big difference between being here and talking about a disappointing half or game as opposed to starting a fire-the-coach thread in response to it. If you expect for us to sit back and let that fly then you'll continue to be disappointed when the opportunity comes to shove it back in their faces.

 

[cjf04]

Va

I really don't get it. Purdue just had a very exciting win, coming back from 17 down to beat an instate rival for our first win in the crossroads classic. This was also a nice neutral site win over a similarly ranked team. Gutsy and fun win for the Boilers (not to mention a heart breaking loss for the irish!). Why on earth would anyone defend the negative nancies? They deserve all the I-told-you-sos for spewing all the knee-jerk venom over one half of basketball.

I'm really happy for the team and coaches for a gritty win. This will continue to be a fun season for the Boilers. Just enjoy this win and stop looking for little negative tidbits to taint the victory. The good guys won!

valid and concur, apparently I'm just bored and wanted to prove a point that took longer than I wanted...here's to hoping they now have a start to growing the confidence they need to making a long run! Enjoy ur nights!

 

[fkfootball]

Purdue and IU will never see a final 4 with their current coaches.

 

[BeerbellyBoiler]

He won't be fired, but mediocrity reigns in West Lafayette until he is. As a Colts fan, this is like Pagano. Not a very good coach but does just enough to hang on.

I was thinking the same thing earlier this week about how similar Pagano and Painter are. Both will get you to the mountain, but neither will help you climb it. Better than average coaches just not championship quality coaches IMO.

 

[NVBoilerFan]

Purdue and IU will never see a final 4 with their current coaches.

Painter may have already had one if not for injuries. I'm positive he would have had a final four or two.

 

[atmafola]

Painter may have already had one if not for injuries. I'm positive he would have had a final four or two.

no he won't. CMP just doesnt have it in him. He may yet develop it though.

 

[TC4THREE]

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[tjreese]

i'm reminded

 

[VulvHa]

Trolls...trolls...trolls everywhere...go back to peegs...

 

[SIBoiler2]

Trolls...trolls...trolls everywhere...go back to peegs...

It's easier to post on the board of a winner than that of a Loosier!!!

 

[BoiledSteel]

no he won't. CMP just doesnt have it in him. He may yet develop it though.

And you have no way of knowing that. There is far more evidence that he would of gotten a FF than not.

 

[tjreese]

And you have no way of knowing that. There is far more evidence that he would of gotten a FF than not.

What I would like to know is the specific or are the specifics of why Matt cannot get a team to the final four...and if those are 80% or more under his control

 

[BoiledSteel]

What I would like to know is the specific or are the specifics of why Matt cannot get a team to the final four...and if those are 80% or more under his control

One example, losing Hummel was out of his control and that team clearly was a heavy favorite to get to the FF or farther. Martin transferring also didn't help which again was out of CMP's hands.

There are also many stories about how the program was handcuffed from the administration.

 

[tjreese]

One example, losing Hummel was out of his control and that team clearly was a heavy favorite to get to the FF or farther. Martin transferring also didn't help which again was out of CMP's hands.

There are also many stories about how the program was handcuffed from the administration.

I know that and as you point out much is not under Matt's control. Purdue has made a great turn around from a couple of years ago and now needs to build on that

 

[boiler-deuce]

That game was one of Painters best coaching adjustments I can remember. And Carson is looking like he's going to very special.

 

[tjreese]

That game was one of Painters best coaching adjustments I can remember. And Carson is looking like he's going to very special.

and if Vince and Biggie don't have the games they did by making their shots and putting out effort on the boards, we are talking about Matt not making adjustments. Carsen and Eastern will be a nice backcourt

 

[BoilerBiker]

Trolls...trolls...trolls everywhere...go back to peegs...

And so many take the bait,
Or are masochists : )

 

[saratogashaw]

This whole thread is hilarious - boy we have a lot of "fans" who show their true colors rather quickly. Any excuse to bash Painter they take. He made perfect adjustments at halftime and we won a game we needed to win for our March resume. He certainly isn't perfect but we have a very good team so why not just appreciate it. Probably ranked around 12 this week and people still want to just bitch. We lost to the number one team in America in a game we could have won and to a highly ranked Louisville team at their place. Geez

 

[Secrefreakintariat]

The whole "we'll never get to the FF with Painter" is inane. How about we watch our guys play their asses off, play together, improve (Biggie is drastically better from last year), make mistakes (looking at you, Mr. Cline), recruit well, and most of all - represent Purdue University that should make us all proud. That culture starts at the top with Matt Painter.

Maybe we get to the FF under Matt and maybe we don't. Probability says we most likely will not. For the "Fire Painter" crowd, there is a coach called Calipari who may be your style.

 

[Mandeville LA]

Personally I think CMP has made some great strides this recent offseason. I don't know what he did, but he is a different coach and is making really good decisions with adjusting and seems more animated towards the officials. Keep it up CMP!

Maybe he has not changed a bit? Are his players understanding what he is telling them and executing?

 

[tjreese]

Maybe he has not changed a bit? Are his players understanding what he is telling them and executing?

maybe his players are a year older and coming together?

 

[SIBoiler2]

maybe his players are a year older and coming together?

Interesting that players mature and come together over time but Painter haters never do either.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Painter may have already had one if not for injuries. I'm positive he would have had a final four or two.

Absolutely correct. That 2010 team was playing great basketball and starting to peak at precisely the right time when Hummel went down.

 

[tjreese]

Interesting that players mature and come together over time but Painter haters never do either.

"SOME" of those people think Matt has control over the players he gets. "Some" of those need gratification for the public display of the sports program(s) at Purdue. "Some" feel coaching is much different in the Tourney than in an important BTT game or other important game and "feel" some coaches all of a sudden are not very good and others remember how to coach in that arena. Some just want to puff their chests and "some" others just think "something" is wrong to take so long to get back into the highlights and that enough time has been given. They demand results, not reasons. Overall, Matt is probably a better coach than he was a few years ago when he was a very hot name in coaching...before the crash and burn years. Matt is still young and time is on his side. Others maybe not so much time and maybe why results are demanded now to their satisfaction. I don't know and hope Purdue does really well this year, but they sure do represent some of the finer qualities in people if not talent. Matt has recruited some high character kids that play pretty good ball...

 

[BeerbellyBoiler]

Absolutely correct. That 2010 team was playing great basketball and starting to peak at precisely the right time when Hummel went down.

But....they didn't just like all the wasted talent last season went down to Ark.L.Rock. IF is a HUGE 2 letter word.

 

[BoilerAndy]

Never ready to play in big games. Can't inspire anyone. Same old story.

This game was a bigger loss for the "realists" than it was for the Domers.

 

[Wisconsin Boiler]

Never ready to play in big games. Can't inspire anyone. Same old story.

Well, well...appears a little hasty here! How one half can make a difference. No agenda here, just laughing out loud! Long live the pessimists who have found an outlet on this blog counseling center.

 

[Wisconsin Boiler]

Well congrats , maybe u should get an infomercial and sell ur wisdom to the masses, because anybody who watched that first half could expect nothing than a solid effort that would fall short following a quick second half foul from Swaigan and a bunch of unforced turnovers, but conceed in the end, the four or five of u that bully the rest of the people on this website are all knowing.... I respect two of the all knowing groupo, Dakota Girl and Mathboy, the rest are just a bunch of "I told u so's, your opinions don't matter around here"....

Woe is me, woe is me

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

I think the problem is that Painter can make great halftime adjustments, but he doesn't seem to make good adjustments during games. That is how we get down my 20 points so many times the last few years, because he can't stop those runs until halftime. He often has good game plans going into games, then the opposing coach makes halftime adjustments when we are beating them badly at halftime, they come back, we can't counter without a halftime break, and we fold. Iowa, Cincinnati, Little Rock, etc. are all good examples. I have seen him come in with lots of good game plans and halftime adjustments over the years, but I don't think he does well at changing the course of a game in the heat of the moment.

To be fair...it is very hard to make in game adjustments in the game of basketball other than minor tweaks. That would be like making a blocking scheme adjustment in the middle of a first quarter drive in football...with no timeout.

 

[syc70]

Worst coach in major college basketball. He cant win a big game, never motivated, no plan, constantly out coached

Worse than any of the following?
Richard Pitino (Minnesota)
Mike Anderson (Arkansas)
Johnny Jones (LSU)
Kim Anderson (Missouri)
Jim Christian (Boston College)
Josh Pastner (Georgia Tech)

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

no he won't. CMP just doesnt have it in him. He may yet develop it though.

Your statement makes no sense. If CMP doesn't have it in him, how does it develop it? He would need to create it...CMP definitely has it in him and I think you are starting to see a jump in his coaching ability and recruiting over the last twelve months. The half time adjustments and in game coaching against ND should show that growth alone.

 

[TC4THREE]

I just wanted to add to those that are pretending like this is the first time we've ever seen a successful hafltime adjustment from CMP, you either don't know basketball or don't watch Purdue much.

 

[SIBoiler2]

It should be obvious that on a day when both sides of the reversible jacket crowd lose in the same arena that CMP's adjustments had less to do with the outcome than Russian hackers influencing the outcome.

 

[tjreese]

It should be obvious that on a day when both sides of the reversible jacket crowd lose in the same arena that CMP's adjustments had less to do with the outcome than Russian hackers influencing the outcome.

...or it could be Bush's fault?

 

[mathboy]

no he won't. CMP just doesnt have it in him. He may yet develop it though.

Reading through this litter of stupid postings from the first half reminds me why I try not to post during games. For one thing, I just like watching the game, and don't want to take time to read or type posts. Why do people post this kind of stuff? How does "atmafola" know that Painter doesn't have a FF in him? I read this kind of weird extrapolation and think this is some child posting. WTF?

Okay atmafola, is the opposite true? If this game is the hinge-point of the season, the litmus test of FF possession, then it begs the question. I suppose since the team pulled out a win, we can now extrapolate (base on this one game???) that Painter DOES have a Final Four in him? Well? Looking for a response here....

My last concern has to do with the posting population. Why is it always the same 4 posters that appear when we lose, but only then? They never seem to post on positive points for the team. Guys like atmafola (and he is not the only one) never are seen on here until we drop a game of struggle with an opponent. In my eyes, this really deflates their credibility, and makes me hostile toward their posts.

 

[Dakota Girl]

Your statement makes no sense. If CMP doesn't have it in him, how does it develop it? He would need to create it...CMP definitely has it in him and I think you are starting to see a jump in his coaching ability and recruiting over the last twelve months. The half time adjustments and in game coaching against ND should show that growth alone.

Johnny, i am going to support your theory but alter it to my perspective. I agree coach is better. You learn more everyday doing it. I think the bigger impact is the player development and addition which has created a more balanced team on both sides of the ball. Last year we could not defend a small agile team and we couldn't score consistently if the middle was shut down. This year is developing into a team that can deal with it all. I think that is huge and is making the coach much smarter.

 

[tjreese]

Johnny, i am going to support your theory but alter it to my perspective. I agree coach is better. You learn more everyday doing it. I think the bigger impact is the player development and addition which has created a more balanced team on both sides of the ball. Last year we could not defend a small agile team and we couldn't score consistently if the middle was shut down. This year is developing into a team that can deal with it all. I think that is huge and is making the coach much smarter.[/QUOTE
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yeah and having Carsen against the press taught Matt how to beat a press...just for some that was wondering if Matt knew how.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Johnny, i am going to support your theory but alter it to my perspective. I agree coach is better. You learn more everyday doing it. I think the bigger impact is the player development and addition which has created a more balanced team on both sides of the ball. Last year we could not defend a small agile team and we couldn't score consistently if the middle was shut down. This year is developing into a team that can deal with it all. I think that is huge and is making the coach much smarter.

I think a lot of it also has to do schematically on defense as well. I don't think CMP altered his defensive principals much last year with the rule changes but you can see the definite alteration this season. His moves and changes on his defensive alignments have allowed Purdue to defend on the wings much better. What I am seeing is that players are fighting through the tops of screens and allowing the bigs to be in better position to get back to their man whereas last year the screens were somewhat being hedged or the guards/wings were going under the screens at times. I think it has to do with CMP evolving as a coach and trying to find what exactly works for him.

In comparison, Bruce Weber had some good things going at Illinois but instead of simply altering his plan, changed all together under pressure. What resulted was a program that had lots of good athletes and free reign on the floor...but didn't look like a Bruce Weber team at all.

 

[tjreese]

I think a lot of it also has to do schematically on defense as well. I don't think CMP altered his defensive principals much last year with the rule changes but you can see the definite alteration this season. His moves and changes on his defensive alignments have allowed Purdue to defend on the wings much better. What I am seeing is that players are fighting through the tops of screens and allowing the bigs to be in better position to get back to their man whereas last year the screens were somewhat being hedged or the guards/wings were going under the screens at times. I think it has to do with CMP evolving as a coach and trying to find what exactly works for him.

In comparison, Bruce Weber had some good things going at Illinois but instead of simply altering his plan, changed all together under pressure. What resulted was a program that had lots of good athletes and free reign on the floor...but didn't look like a Bruce Weber team at all.

Man D offers "tweaks" to all players and players abilities as you and Dakota inadvertinently suggest. PJ has really improved in getting on top, but I don't think it is as much Matt as the team personnel. PJ may be stronger and anticipate better....and Haas simply can't hedge and get back as well as AJ...but that is an alteration as ou stated! I wish I could think of the "saying" concerning a fence post to describe getting on top and fighting through the screen. Must be a continuation of old age...