Team Painter = 0, Team Beard = 1 (that's all it comes down to) It's just one game. Next time Purdue wins by 28 points. It was just luck on their part and some bad coaching mixed in and you get a 2OT loss that will leave a very bad taste in our mouths for a very long and extended time and we have to go to work hearing about it by non-Purdue fans for about the next 10 months, until such time that we start dominating the Big Ten again and win the outright and the BTT. Painter will be king of the hill and you will all be apologizing.
Fire izzo!!!
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Ummm.....when Gene Keady was coaching Purdue and Bo Ryan wasn't coaching Wisconsin.
MSU's loss made teh front page of Reddit today ... yes, the loss is SO embarrassing that even internet nerds are making fun of it.
So yes, it could of been MUCH worse for us
link for reference: https://www.reddit.com/r/sports/comments/4b07g4/15_seed_middle_tennessee_upsets_2_seed_michigan/
So yes, it could of been MUCH worse for us
link for reference: https://www.reddit.com/r/sports/comments/4b07g4/15_seed_middle_tennessee_upsets_2_seed_michigan/
MSU also going belly-up to an inferior opponent took a little of the sting ot of Purdue's choke job on Thursday...
That is -- until I realized how the Midwest bracket was now WIDE open for us, had we taken care of business.
Lord, does this suck!
That is -- until I realized how the Midwest bracket was now WIDE open for us, had we taken care of business.
Lord, does this suck!
Quite honestly I think with as common as upsets have been, I'm not sure the bracket opened up but may of gotten harder! Has there ever been a tourney with this many upsets?
Definitely was a plausible opportunity.
I understand the frustration, and yes the bracket opened up some......but I am not convinced that even if Purdue had defeated UALR, it was a foregone conclusion that the Boilers would have taken care of Iowa State and Virginia (assuming they advanced). Would I have liked the Boilers chances? Yes.....Opportunity wasted......yes.
And that's part of dealing with adversity....it's another what if. That doesn't excuse the meltdown from both the players and the coaching staff, but all they can do is move forward.....unfortunately for AJH, Ray, Hill, and Toyra....they're done playing for Purdue.
It will be interesting to see if UVA can finally advance now that their "nemesis" is gone, and I could see Syracuse getting to the Regional Final.
None of the 3 have been at their current school for 10 years. We'll see how that turns out. I'd say Purdue has given Painter a decent amount of time and pay considering the results.
I don't necessarily disagree.....it's partly the market has been driven up, whether the Administration wants to admit that or not. Candidly, CMP had leverage when the Missouri position opened. He was smart and got the extension and raise, and to his credit he did force the athletic department to allocate more resources, which I think most would agree has paid off in some fashion with better recruiting results....the jury is still out on that.
CMP still has some leverage, but with these kinds of disappointments.....he starts losing come extension time when his contract is up. Without getting into a discussion of the merits of termination, I just don't see Purdue terminating CMP absent some major NCAA violation or other reasons for "cause," which wold have to be a violation of school policy, etc.
He has his work cut out for him on the recruiting trail, though, especially after that last game.
Obviously, the next couple of years are critical as to whether the Athletic department looks to go another direction....right now, I don't see that, but there will be a new AD......there are good things to point to, but admittedly, there are disturbing trends too. I think things could go either way, but now isn't the time to force that hand.
JMO
You realize this isn't a "Purdue" thing - this is what happens late in games. Purdue did the same damn thing to Michigan State a few days earlier. But you don't give Purdue credit when they do it. And quite frankly, it's a lose lose situation for Purdue given that in almost every game this season Purdue HAS been in control late. I'd rather be doing that then having to frantically come back every game cause we get in a big hole.
I mean, your criteria that one must meet for your standards is basically non-existent. There's a reason there's very few coaches that have been at their current school for 10 years.
And it's not because all of these schools find the jackpot with an amazing, shiny new coach that then fits your criteria! It just turns into turnover central. Look at Minnesota.
I'm not saying fire him now. I remember reading BBGs post a couple months ago. He basically said let's reserve judgment after next season. I think 2 more years is enough to see if the guard situation is improved enough. IMO, at the end of Painter's contact, if he hasn't gotten us to the elite 8 or has a top 10 class coming in at that time, why not go after the best possible replacement. I don't expect big 10 titles at the rate Keady raked them in. But I think a final 4 every 10 to 15 years is certainly achievable. Great coaches are out there, we just need an AD that is good at evaluating candidates and is committed to certain goals. It ticks me off that Burke's goals aren't met and he's not held accountable. That should apply to all their staff.
I think putting benchmarks/red lines on things is rather silly. What if we have a #11 recruiting class? lol
Your benchmark of "Final Four every 10-15 years" sounds reasonable right....except there are 12 schools in the history of the NCAA Tournament that have gone to more than 5. It's called the Final Four for a reason - only four schools make it each year (and obviously there are a very small number of schools that make up multiple over time).
I find it ridiculous people are saying things like Painter is a bad coach or average coach - you don't have his resume as an average coach. Like I said, it'd be one thing if we can never beat a top 25 team, or we can't win on the road, etc. Those are actual trends/warning signs.
Then on top of that, you look at this tournament - this tournament has had the highest number of upsets in its history and there were other teams around us that were upset by very similar type of teams, and there were teams with better seeds than us that were upset. The NCAA Tournament is probably the most unforgiving postseason in American sports. And at the end of the day, it's not like college bowl games where 50% of teams that go end the season a winner. Everyone except 1 ends up a loser, most of those in disappointing/not happy fashion.
At the end of the day, I don't know how capturing this one moment in time makes someone ok or not to be your coach. Going into the tournament, everyone was happy with what the team accomplished and looking forward to the future (there was a thread before the tournament started about being excited for next year!...which is now banned to be talked about by the Painter police). If Purdue won one more game and lost to an Iowa State team they would have been underdogs against...would that have turned into "Fire Painter he's terrible" too? I'm sure a few would, but not this sort of uproar. So a difference of one game? It's a bit silly.
And also, we were a #5 seed. Based on seed, you're supposed to go 1 round. It sucks we didn't do that - and as I've mentioned earlier, Purdue actually was one of the longest streaks of getting past the first round under Painter - so a) I think we got spoiled of avoiding upsets for so long and b) Our 2 first round exits happened to be back-to-back instead of spread throughout our overall NCAA appearances. But going back to the #5 seed - the expectation we should have been in the Elite 8 this year or what not, I mean that just doesn't play out on logic.
Overall, I think Purdue fans are a bit spoiled on consistency. Purdue's been, with very few hiccups, a solid basketball program for as long as most people have been alive. When Gene Keady became coach, it took him 8 years to make a Sweet 16 and 14 years to make an Elite 8.
It's the way we lost last year and the way we lost again this year that is troubling. Metrics don't have to be exact, but can be a measuring stick. You have to draw the line somewhere. I'm just 1 opinion, but I wouldn't be in favor of just letting Painter continue indefinitely with his level of results thus far. If people are afraid of getting a worse coach, then maybe we shouldn't have let Keady go and he could still be at Purdue? What is your line in the sand? Again, I like Painter, he's a Purdue guy. But, if he can't improve his deficient areas over the next 2 years, I'll lose faith. Honestly, I've talked to several Purdue alums in my area and not 1 of them have confidence that Painter can ever get us to a final 4 and think his window is closing. I know he's not getting fired, so we'll see what happens over the next few years.
And I'm not into excuses. Losing to higher seeds or lower seeds, I don't care. Eventually something should fall in your favor. 36 years and counting......
And MSU folded and lost, right? Didn't we come charging back at IU too? And IU lost too.
It takes special special talent to lose when up 7 with 40 seconds left or up 14 with 3.30 left. You have to really try to lose to accomplish both.
OMG. When I read some of posts here, I begin to think some of you never watch any other team play except Purdue. This or that is "unacceptable", I just have to laugh. You guys realize that powerhouse Duke, with all their top ten recruits, and their 5xNC coach just blew a 27 point lead, against "powerful" Yale, and barely pulled a win out of their keister. For heaven's sake, recognize what goes on in the college game before dropping turds here. Recognize how unpredictable, and random the game is before you level such specific criticisms.
A Hall of Fame coach was once asked, "who's the best coach you've ever coached against? "He responded, "the one with the best players". I think MP is a better than average coach, although I do think his late game strategies may need some work. What he really needs to do is simply get more talented players. This year's team demonstrated the success talent can bring, but it seems MP recruits a lot of two and three star players, many of whom do develop into solid big 10 talents. I would think Chicago would be a fertile recruiting ground, but it doesn't feel like you're getting enough talent out of that area. MP does things the right way, but until he's able to regularly attract top 20 recruiting classes nationally, Purdue will likely compete but not have championship teams. IU, Wisconsin, Ohio State, and MSU are likely going to be good every year. For the boilers to compete with that, you need to bring in more players with Biggies level of talent.
36 years and counting.OMG. When I read some of posts here, I begin to think some of you never watch any other team play except Purdue. This or that is "unacceptable", I just have to laugh. You guys realize that powerhouse Duke, with all their top ten recruits, and their 5xNC coach just blew a 27 point lead, against "powerful" Yale, and barely pulled a win out of their keister. For heaven's sake, recognize what goes on in the college game before dropping turds here. Recognize how unpredictable, and random the game is before you level such specific criticisms.
That's a lot of random unpredictability.
If that's true, you would have thought that luck would be on our side once in great while.
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