It is up to the students. Really the power is and has always been in their hands. If they choose to go to the game then they are showing support and nothing changes. If the students do not go to the games in large and very overwhelming numbers it forces the faculty to change their attitude and demand success. Power of the purse. Just do not go to the games until this coach is fired. If they want to have empty seats then keep him coaching. I would be actually firing Hazell would bring immediate impact on fans in the seats. Hazell's teams have performed so pathetically over the years that firing this clown will actually pack the stadium the following week. That is how bad this guy is. More interest would generate for Purdue football by firing this minion and letting one of his underlings takeover, or perhaps an outside interim coach, than letting him continue because you can feel the negative energy this guy brings to the stadium.
FIRE BOBINSKI!
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It is up to the students. Really the power is and has always been in their hands. If they choose to go to the game then they are showing support and nothing changes. If the students do not go to the games in large and very overwhelming numbers it forces the faculty to change their attitude and demand success. Power of the purse. Just do not go to the games until this coach is fired. If they want to have empty seats then keep him coaching. I would be actually firing Hazell would bring immediate impact on fans in the seats. Hazell's teams have performed so pathetically over the years that firing this clown will actually pack the stadium the following week. That is how bad this guy is. More interest would generate for Purdue football by firing this minion and letting one of his underlings takeover, or perhaps an outside interim coach, than letting him continue because you can feel the negative energy this guy brings to the stadium.
He'll be gone by season's end, but firing him today only screws over the players, who still have pride in representing the university, themselves and their coaches. And there's no head start to be achieved here. Any coach worth having will wait until everything opens up and then will choose accordingly. Purdue won't jump the line. A move now only makes a select few fans feel better, but it does nothing for the overall health of the program.
Purdue won't touch Miles or Briles and, if Charlie Strong is fired, he'll have plenty of very desirable jobs to choose from. Sit tight and trust your AD to do the right thing at the right time for the most benefit.
At this point, the move needs to be made because fans at the core of support base are becoming apathetic. How bad is it when guys and gals from this board and others who have had season tickets for 25-40 years choose not to renew?
Making a change today or tomorrow shows that MBob is doing the majority of fans right by making a hard decision and showing he is willing to take a chance to make things better. Obviously it won't lead to a hiring until the end of November or December, but calls are already being made for programs looking for coaches. making the move now shows fans and the players that MBob has their interests in the forefront of his mind and not simply money like Burke.
How does firing the HC screw over the players? Their scholarships aren't tired to Hazell's job status and from the comments of former players like Appleby's (and frankly others that I have met in person) tell me the players wouldn't care if he was there or not because they feel like he doesn't really care. That was evident by him not meeting with the players his first year and then saying 'Golly, I guess I should have met with them.'
Because those kids were recruited by him and want to win for him, as well as themselves. Bitter guys like Appleby aren't the barometer here, the kids who wear the uniform every week are, and they want to see DH succeed, because he believed in them. Suggesting he doesn't care is just the emotional reaction of a few fans who never competed in anything and know little, if anything, about the game. Theyre just throwing a tantrum. Purdue will do this the right way at the right time with the best long term interests of the program at heart. Whiny fans on a message board who don't have a clue don't matter in the least in all of this.
But it's entirely accurate. Wishful thinking aside, Purdue won't jump the hiring line by making a move now. It simply won't happen.
More speculation. If there's a guy you want available, send out a feeler thru back channels, and if there's interest, can Haze, and get a deal done. Give the guy a chance to salvage the burned-out wreckage of our recruiting class.
Won't jump the hiring line but would make the first positive statement regarding the direction of Purdue football in nearly 10 years.
What potential candidate would be available now? No one worth hiring. Purdue will hire someone who is currently coaching, and no one is leaving a position less than half way through the season. It simply doesn't work that way, it's not going to work that way, and that's a good thing. The only people available now are guys out of coaching. Name anyone in that category who inspires you to want him hired. Purdue isn't jumping the line.
But it's an entirely superficial, meaningless statement, so it has no real value to anyone that matters. Why do something that's pointless, as this unquestionably would be?
It would sell tickets. You don't think we need the cash?
Yeah, let's keep doing what we've been doing. I mean, it's been working so well. Let's just stay the course. The Purdue Way.
What if MBob decided he wanted Briles or Miles? If you want them, make them an offer right now, that expires in 48 hours. Have an assisant take over and let art or les recruit their ass off for the next 4 months.
It won't sell any tickets because it will signal that the university has thrown in the towel for this year. If anything, it will make the rest of the season a death march of beat downs even worse than would likely be experienced with DH at the helm. Baylor, a consensus top 10 team before Briles was fired, nearly lost at Iowa State yesterday, and that was with a full preseason of preparation and a full returning staff (including Briles' son). They haven't hired a new guy yet because no one they want is available, and their job has been open for months. No way Purdue jumps the line unless it's for a non coaching retread who won't make things better. Why sentence the program to more long term losing just to make fans feel better in the short term?
You'd want to hire someone who managed to screw up LSU, but he'd do well at Purdue? Or, you'd want to hire a guy who, along with others on his staff, allowed players to commit crimes (including crimes against women) with impugnity? Imagine the backlash at parking the university's ethics in favor of him. Not pretty.
it would signal the university realizes the status quo is unacceptable, and is going to try to fix it. We're already facing a death march of beat downs, firing the Haze won't make that any more likely. Folks would buy tickets for at least the first game to see if there's any type of resurgence under an actual leader.
And it would eliminate the distraction of Hazell's impending doom being discussed 24/7, by media, students, fans, etc.
What the hell are you talking about? You name an interim. You move on.
I don't think that he doesn't care but what I think (and I know inside sources from the program both player and personnel) that the players have given up on Hazell. If you can't see that from the effort and execution level, then you aren't watching the same games. The players and the pesonnel I spoke to respect him as a person but as a coach, most feel he is a joke.
Purdue needs to fire this guy right now immediately. Hazell cannot and should not coach another quarter. If I was athletic director I swear to god at half time yesterday I would have fired him mid game and came out and I guarantee you that score would have been a hell of a lot closer than 50-7 or not one player senior player on that team would have their position at the end of the game. Life isn't fair. Its time to fire this idiot and that needs repeated every so often. Alllllll the good football programs fire their coaches. Losing isn't tolerated and that message is made quite clearly and Purdue absolutely needs to do the same.
They'll signal that at the end of the season when he's let go. Right now, it only satisfies a small group of petulant fans who know nothing about the sport. Makes no sense.
Highly doubt most of them would say that about,the guy whom they believed in so much that they decided to go to Purdue. Says little for the players if true.
Wow, intelligent thought clearly isn't your thing, is it? You really have no idea what you're talking about.
Talking about divorcing the emotion from this and actually engaging your brain.
Downside - none. If we keep him, we lose out by an average of 30 points, with less than 20,000 in the stands.
Upside - a non-zombie coach like Freeman or Emanuel fires these guys up, we don't make idiotic decisions to punt the ball, we maybe stay competitive in a few games, putting more folks on the stands, and we get some national pub for giving a crap about football for once.
You greatly overstate the upside. A bad season will turn much worse, and any prospective coach will wonder why Purdue is worth considering.
Since no one would want them, why pose the hypothetical? There's zero chance Purdue would try to hire them, yet you used it as the basis for your argument that a coach could be available now. It made no sense, which is why it was so easy to shoot down. Not sure why you make the post you did, since it made no sense.
Unfortunately, that would also be the most interesting thing we've seen in RA Stadium the past few years.
How much worse will it be when we losee 9 more by 40 or more. The season is toast and our players need affirmation that we do intend to be better within their lifetimes. You are obviously a trolling idiot. Begone fool!!!
Wow - you really are dumber than a bag of hammers. I'm done pouring water into your leaky bucket.
I've said this for years now. FIRE HIM and let him take the university to court. Haz would have the burden of proof, what is he going to say I took a .500 team that went to the pizza bowl and took them to a .200 team? There is a difference between saying ok I'm leaving my old gig for you guys I need to make sure I'm going to make something out of it versus I want to be paid 60 years of salary at my old gig for leaving. If he files suit I bet it gets settled for half the buyout or less. Then again when has any public employee cared about stewarding the public's money? Not anytime this century.
UPSIDE a Lafayette Jury in the Lafayette County Courthouse in a trial presided over by a Judge ELECTED in Tippecanoe County finds as a Legal Fact ( or adopting a "Legal Fiction" One example of a legal fiction occurs in adoption. Once an order or judgment of adoption is entered, one or both biological (or natural) parents becomes a legal stranger to the child, legally no longer related to the child and with no rights related to him or her. Conversely, the adoptive parent(s) are legally considered to be the parent(s) of the adopted child; a new birth certificate reflecting this is issued. The new birth certificate is a legal fiction) that CDH didn't do his job or whatever this contract says he must do to be paid. THOSE PEOPLE decide if he did or didn't, period. It isn't as objective as you think. You might get some people on the jury to say so Haz, you want how many millions of STATE dollars for what?! I don't think coach Haz would make a very sympathetic PLAINTIFF. Many a jury has hosed an unsympathetic plaintiff with more solid cases. If they decide he didn't he didn't perform or is entitled to the $$ he is shit out of luck. They may say yes you win you get $1 just like the USFL got. If he wins, Purdue pays his "reasonable" legal costs and trivial amount of interest. What are reasonable legal fees? They are whatever that Judge ELECTED in Tippecanoe County finds them to be. Does anyone think with the shitshow CDH has put on in West Lafayette along with the multitude of BS he has spewed these past years will be seen as fulfilling his contractual obligations to be paid? I'd bet its better than a 50/50 shot. Again the real reason is no one wants to be called racist and not promoting diversity, or giving a black man a chance. The fact he is beyond incompetent is being over looked. If Haz looked like Hope he would have been long gone.
For those who say it will discourage prospective new coaches I say good! Those who are worried about that kind of a situation don't have the confidence in their own abilities. We don't need self doubters running the program.
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I know! Hire the person who actually made the coaching decisions at Kent State in 2012. It's obvious that CDH had very little or nothing to do with winning at Kent that year.
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