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FBI: No Charges Recommended for HRC, But She Was...

Is the FBI not investigating the Clinton Foundation? Yup, the FBI is out to get the Clintons.
lol I didn't say the second, and the FBI was investigating this and found nothing. What do you think they are going to find with the Clinton Foundation that will result in Hillary Clinton getting into trouble?

And like I said, when that comes back with nothing, they will investigate something else. and that will continue throughout her presidency.
 
Agree on all counts.



Again, agree on all counts, though I think this will have some staying power for Hillary because (1) this is something that is directly germane to her job as Commander in Chief, and (2) her single biggest issue already is trust, and this continues to hammer at that point. Whether or not that matters, I suspect you are correct given the opponent.

I admit that it pisses me off (obviously) and makes me want someone else all the more, but as you suggested that's not wholly surprising given my other political leanings. We'll see. I'm beginning to rationalize a 3rd party vote if only because I know Hillary will win CA anyway. If I think that Trump by some end-of-the-world scenario has a shot at CA, then I'm sure I'll vote for Hillary because #neverTrump.
The opponent makes it matter much less that is true. I mean if she were going up against Cruz I also don't think it would have mattered. Bush? Rubio? I don't know. Maybe. They wouldn't have as big a gap with women and minorities but they'd still have a pretty big gap.

Frankly, the moment the republicans give up on immigration and concede on it is the moment they return to being able to win the White House as often as not or even moreso. But so long as they dig in, the ever-growing Hispanic vote is going one direction.
 
The opponent makes it matter much less that is true. I mean if she were going up against Cruz I also don't think it would have mattered. Bush? Rubio? I don't know. Maybe. They wouldn't have as big a gap with women and minorities but they'd still have a pretty big gap.

Frankly, the moment the republicans give up on immigration and concede on it is the moment they return to being able to win the White House as often as not or even moreso. But so long as they dig in, the ever-growing Hispanic vote is going one direction.
It's amazing to me to see the base of a party apparently dismiss the fact that they can't win on the strength of one voting demographic, but that's basically what a plurality (if not a majority) of Republicans have done.
 
But again, as Secretary of State, you think she only sent/received what was it - 100 emails that had any sort of classification? You act like she was emailing Vladimir Putin about where each other nuclear stockpiles are. And again, she's also not the first Secretary of State to operate an independent email system, let alone other government officials. But we never bothered looking into those. Not saying it's right - but to go on a witch hunt, just like the millions spent on a plethora of Benghazi investigations that simply couldn't find what they wanted (i.e. a cover up).

I'm not saying it's the right thing to do - I've flat out said that what that congressman who supports Trump did was the right approach - there's no conspiracy theory, coverup, etc. - it's just a bad decision that she should be hammered on. There's no crime in what she did though. I expect some conversations about it from Clinton.

I've simply responded to people accusing her of committing crimes, the FBI is covering it up for her, etc. - that's just not based in fact.
See this is the rub. You can't say this because you don't actually know. If I'm running my own server on my own domain, there's no way for you to ever know whether or not I've turned everything over. She's supposed to be a public servant, she doesn't get to provide access at her whim. If she was sending emails to putin, there's no way for you to know. This plausible deniability into bad judgment loophole is consistently abused by her and her family. Either she's the dumbest Yale lawyer with the worst judgment to ever exist or she's covering her ass and I personally don't think she's dumb.
 
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It's amazing to me to see the base of a party apparently dismiss the fact that they can't win on the strength of one voting demographic, but that's basically what a plurality (if not a majority) of Republicans have done.
Here's the thing...I'm supposed to be outraged over Hillary (not saying you, just collectively)...

Meanwhile, Clinton gives a speech today where she calls out Trump for refusing to pay a contractor in Atlantic City several million dollars, which caused his business to go bankrupt, and that he was all in it for himself.

Now, a normal human would have responded with something akin to, that's not true, there's an explanation, I'm sorry that guy didn't get paid but here's why.

Trump's response: "I made a lot of money in Atlantic City and left 7 years ago, great timing (as all know)." His spokesperson's response: "He believes in putting your oxygen mask on first before helping others"

Really? F that guy. That's something worth being outraged over IMO compared to anything Hillary has done.
 
Here's the thing...I'm supposed to be outraged over Hillary (not saying you, just collectively)...

Meanwhile, Clinton gives a speech today where she calls out Trump for refusing to pay a contractor in Atlantic City several million dollars, which caused his business to go bankrupt, and that he was all in it for himself.

Now, a normal human would have responded with something akin to, that's not true, there's an explanation, I'm sorry that guy didn't get paid but here's why.

Trump's response: "I made a lot of money in Atlantic City and left 7 years ago, great timing (as all know)." His spokesperson's response: "He believes in putting your oxygen mask on first before helping others"

Really? F that guy. That's something worth being outraged over IMO compared to anything Hillary has done.
LOL of course you think that. Anything Trump has done there is legal recourse for. If someone believes they were wronged they can sue him. Specifically, the Taj contractors were paid 33 cents on the dollar the first year and another 50 cents on the dollar over the next few years through bankruptcy court. That's a total of 83 cents on the dollar through legal bankruptcy processes. So what was illegal? What was below board? This is all public record. He didn't make some good decisions and the economy tanked, the project went belly up and they went to court to settle up. Not everything goes perfect all the time. If he was such a horrible business man, no one would contract with him. No one would loan him money. But you know that's not the truth.
 
Here's the thing...I'm supposed to be outraged over Hillary (not saying you, just collectively)...

Meanwhile, Clinton gives a speech today where she calls out Trump for refusing to pay a contractor in Atlantic City several million dollars, which caused his business to go bankrupt, and that he was all in it for himself.

Now, a normal human would have responded with something akin to, that's not true, there's an explanation, I'm sorry that guy didn't get paid but here's why.

Trump's response: "I made a lot of money in Atlantic City and left 7 years ago, great timing (as all know)." His spokesperson's response: "He believes in putting your oxygen mask on first before helping others"

Really? F that guy. That's something worth being outraged over IMO compared to anything Hillary has done.
Personal wheelings and dealings in the name of profit are par for the business course, and yeah, you can always count on Trump to look out for Trump. I just don't see as direct a correlation between that (or any of his business dealings) and Hillary being negligent (or "careless" or whatever word we want to use) with her handling of national security information.

I don't have to be upset about only one or only the other. I can be upset and disgusted by both, and frankly, I am.
 
Personal wheelings and dealings in the name of profit are par for the business course, and yeah, you can always count on Trump to look out for Trump. I just don't see as direct a correlation between that (or any of his business dealings) and Hillary being negligent (or "careless" or whatever word we want to use) with her handling of national security information.

I don't have to be upset about only one or only the other. I can be upset and disgusted by both, and frankly, I am.
I guess I find one way more disgusting than the other. I find an intent to screw over the livelihood of other people (par for the business course or not) way worse than an intent to be secretive which is ultimately what led to the private server and the problems that followed.
 
Practically speaking, at the end of the day, even an indictment might have been worthless. Are grand juries at the Fed level 6 or 12? A no bill would be likely. For the same reason a jury trial of 5-7 or 7-5 Cons/Libs that are "impartial" jurors and I'd guess you would be stuck with a biased or hung jury.
 
Practically speaking, at the end of the day, even an indictment might have been worthless. Are grand juries at the Fed level 6 or 12? A no bill would be likely. For the same reason a jury trial of 5-7 or 7-5 Cons/Libs that are "impartial" jurors and I'd guess you would be stuck with a biased or hung jury.
Any reasonably competent prosecutor can indict someone if they really want to. Even a sandwich made of the meat of a pig...ham if you will.
 
I guess I find one way more disgusting than the other. I find an intent to screw over the livelihood of other people (par for the business course or not) way worse than an intent to be secretive which is ultimately what led to the private server and the problems that followed.
If it's purely about intent, sure. But again, I don't find the "ignorance" appeal to be much of an excuse for being careless with information that could cause "grave damage to national security", up to and including costing people their lives, not just livelihoods. Now, it's unlikely the compromise of that TS/SAP information did that, but the potential exists and that is why it is classified as highly as it is.

Both are reprehensible.
 
I agree about her in particular, and this State scandal actually precipitated the DOD agreement. In reality, it probably depends on the specific job. A Navy Cryptologist conducting work on a personal server is more likely to lead to criminal charges due to the classification level and danger it poses to national security. I'd think, even without "intent", in that case you'd get an indictment. But you'd be the expert.

The hard spot most military folks I talk to have with this and her is that we all know we'd be shitcanned for it. While I don't know that I outright agree that it should disqualify her from the presidency, it's definitely not a good thing, and I think certainly more serious than probably even you thought back last year when we were discussing it.

I'm fine with no indictment for a civilian in this case. It certainly doesn't help her image.

At an absolute bare minimum clearances would be revoked. Which indirectly likely leads to one being canned. And one needs a clearance to be President.
 
Yes I do serve and have for coming up on 20 years.
No, it is not disgusting to me because you assume facts I don't agree with WRT Benghazi and the video and her comments. It was a fluid situation with different information coming at different times. Some folks jump to malfeasance, and I've found the principle that never assume malice where incompetence (or lack of information, or fluid circumstances, or a whole host of things) will suffice.

I don't think she managed it brilliantly at all. I think the biggest issue to me is not the emails, but her ham-handed approach to them. She should have, from the beginning said, yep, I did some dumb stuff that in retrospect I shouldn't have done. I never intentionally tried to flout the rules or harm our security. I've learned a lesson on this that I will not only follow diligently the rest of my political career but make sure those that work for me do as well.

You make a statement like that, and then you don't have to say/answer anything else.

She didn't lie to the FBI no. Her dealings with the public are the only thing I'm concerned about to be honest. I assume that State has had an issue with email security since forever

As for the scrubbing, it's not like she personally went through those emails herself. Her team of lawyers did. Now, what people forget is that Comey said he found ZERO ill intent in how those lawyers did the scrubbing, but simply they missed some.

A few things-

As far as the claim that Benghazi was a fluid situation. I can agree as combat and terror attacks typically are. That said, she emailed Chelsea that night stating she knew it was a terror attack and had nothing to do with a movie. The bs claim about a movie weeks later was all tied to reelection campaign themes IMO.

As for the scrubbing, the issue is, and what is being ignored, is that those lawyers did not have clearances, either did her confidant that acted as a consultant. That in itself is a crime.
 
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See this is the rub. You can't say this because you don't actually know. If I'm running my own server on my own domain, there's no way for you to ever know whether or not I've turned everything over. She's supposed to be a public servant, she doesn't get to provide access at her whim. If she was sending emails to putin, there's no way for you to know. This plausible deniability into bad judgment loophole is consistently abused by her and her family. Either she's the dumbest Yale lawyer with the worst judgment to ever exist or she's covering her ass and I personally don't think she's dumb.

Because Republicans and Trump aren't saying things they don't know? MMMMMMMK.

Let me know the last Secretary of State that we got to read their communications. One of the flagged "classified" emails was about rescheduling a phone call with the President of Malawi. I'm horrified.
 
A few things-

As far as the claim that Benghazi was a fluid situation. I can agree as combat and terror attacks typically are. That said, she emailed Chelsea that night stating she knew it was a terror attack and had nothing to do with a movie. The bs claim about a movie weeks later was all tied to reelection campaign themes IMO.

As for the scrubbing, the issue is, and what is being ignored, is that those lawyers did not have clearances, either did her confidant that acted as a consultant. That in itself is a crime.

Again, you're talking about stuff that's been hashed out. Clinton testified for 11 hours about the stuff you're talking about and nothing was ever found. If you want to get SO DEEP into this situation, you'd know that there are facts about a terrorist group taking credit on social media, then not taking credit. And when someone was captured involved with the attack, they did say the video played a role. So it was a very mixed message, as many incidents like these are, where you don't fully comprehend the planning and executing of the attack for a while after. The other option would be for the US to stay silent on the issue until they are 100% sure - which I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate either.

You can't say you understand that it was on going and things were happening real time halfway across the world - and then criticize for not knowing. Again, what the hell difference does it make if it was a random terrorist attack and a violent protest? The outcome is the freaking same and it's no better either way.
 
Because Republicans and Trump aren't saying things they don't know? MMMMMMMK.

Let me know the last Secretary of State that we got to read their communications. One of the flagged "classified" emails was about rescheduling a phone call with the President of Malawi. I'm horrified.
Where did I say the repubs are angelic truth tellers? lol...I swear you guys and your teams. You gotta have a team to idolize! You are fundamentally missing the point. It's not that we "get to read" them, it's that there is no oversight and we can never know how much crap actually went across that server. Govt civilians aren't supposed to be able to operate that way, she's breaking the public trust.
 
Again, you're talking about stuff that's been hashed out. Clinton testified for 11 hours about the stuff you're talking about and nothing was ever found. If you want to get SO DEEP into this situation, you'd know that there are facts about a terrorist group taking credit on social media, then not taking credit. And when someone was captured involved with the attack, they did say the video played a role. So it was a very mixed message, as many incidents like these are, where you don't fully comprehend the planning and executing of the attack for a while after. The other option would be for the US to stay silent on the issue until they are 100% sure - which I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate either.

You can't say you understand that it was on going and things were happening real time halfway across the world - and then criticize for not knowing. Again, what the hell difference does it make if it was a random terrorist attack and a violent protest? The outcome is the freaking same and it's no better either way.
Because it feeds into their Obama and Clinton are evil and anti-American and used the video to get him re-elected so he could continue destroying America as was his plan since he put that fake birth notice into the Hawaii newspaper using time travel.

That last bit may just apply to Trump.
 
It's not that we "get to read" them, it's that there is no oversight and we can never know how much crap actually went across that server.
Is this true?
This is the part I fail to fully understand.
Do they not know because they actively choose not to track the communication, or because our best tech guys are incapable of it?
 
Is this true?
This is the part I fail to fully understand.
Do they not know because they actively choose not to track the communication, or because our best tech guys are incapable of it?
She had her own private servers and domain and managed at her house by her own private people. How would anyone outside of her own people be able to track it? That's why it is not allowed. If she had been using the government network, then yes, everything is tracked. Even if she were using a third party like gmail, then Google would be able to pull the records. But since she wasn't, any email that didn't cross a government server at some point, could have been deleted and no one would be the wiser if the receiver was also not on a government network. Remember, even after the first release and now I'm quoting nytimes "The FBI discovered “several thousand” work-related emails that were not in the original trove of 30,000 turned over by Mrs. Clinton to the State Department. Three of those contained information that agencies have concluded was classified, though Mr. Comey said he did not believe Mrs. Clinton deliberately deleted or withheld them from investigators."

So what about any that she DID purposely withhold (aka delete)? You will never know unless some hacker just happened to steal them before she deleted them. Even then it would be the hackers word against hers as there would be no proof left on the server. You would need the receiver to confirm they got it and let's face it, none of her friends are going to throw her under the bus. It has nothing to do with our best tech guys. She subverted the system, lied about it, recanted, and now it's just bad judgment.

and if you don't believe me personally, here's more from the nytimes Comey debrief:
In saying that it was “possible” that hostile foreign governments had gained access to Mrs. Clinton’s personal account, Mr. Comey noted that she used her mobile device extensively while traveling outside the United States, including trips “in the territory of sophisticated adversaries.”

Mrs. Clinton used multiple private servers for her personal and government business, not just a single server at her home in New York that has been the focus of media reporting for more than a year. Her use of these servers — some of which were taken out of service and stored — made the F.B.I.’s job enormously complicated as it struggled to put together, in Mr. Comey’s words, a jigsaw puzzle with “millions of email fragments” in it.
 
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qaz,

The rules for this were tightened before she became SOS, so comparing to the Bush years is somewhat off-the-mark. It has also widely known that she was debriefed on proper handling of Classified information, just as all other government officials who handle Classified Information. It would seem that she chose to either ignore or flout the training, in order to hide from FOIA requests her dealings as SOS.

What she did was really dumb, and the fact that she tried to deny and obfuscate for many months is even more dumb. As John Heileman said this morning, "Hillary Clinton received the worst possible good news yesterday." This will only cause to further damage her horrible untrustworthiness numbers and lend credibility to those critics who say that HRC and her husband think they're above the law.

She was also a Senator and received the security briefings then, as well. Her claims of ignorance on the subject are somewhat disingenuous coming from the smartest woman in the world.
 
A few things-

As far as the claim that Benghazi was a fluid situation. I can agree as combat and terror attacks typically are. That said, she emailed Chelsea that night stating she knew it was a terror attack and had nothing to do with a movie. The bs claim about a movie weeks later was all tied to reelection campaign themes IMO.

As for the scrubbing, the issue is, and what is being ignored, is that those lawyers did not have clearances, either did her confidant that acted as a consultant. That in itself is a crime.
And yet we learn today that her lawyers in fact all had TS clearances thanks to the circus that is the Comey questioning. So swing and a miss there.
 
Yes I do serve and have for coming up on 20 years.
No, it is not disgusting to me because you assume facts I don't agree with WRT Benghazi and the video and her comments. It was a fluid situation with different information coming at different times. Some folks jump to malfeasance, and I've found the principle that never assume malice where incompetence (or lack of information, or fluid circumstances, or a whole host of things) will suffice.

I don't think she managed it brilliantly at all. I think the biggest issue to me is not the emails, but her ham-handed approach to them. She should have, from the beginning said, yep, I did some dumb stuff that in retrospect I shouldn't have done. I never intentionally tried to flout the rules or harm our security. I've learned a lesson on this that I will not only follow diligently the rest of my political career but make sure those that work for me do as well.

You make a statement like that, and then you don't have to say/answer anything else.

She didn't lie to the FBI no. Her dealings with the public are the only thing I'm concerned about to be honest. I assume that State has had an issue with email security since forever

As for the scrubbing, it's not like she personally went through those emails herself. Her team of lawyers did. Now, what people forget is that Comey said he found ZERO ill intent in how those lawyers did the scrubbing, but simply they missed some.

Qaz, I completely understand your party affiliation, here is my take.
She pucked fup the situation in Benghazi. No denying the puck fup. If an ambassadore is killed on your watch it's on you.
I don't hold that entirely against her. She told the parents of the dead soldiers it was a spontaneous riot due to a video. 'I promise we'll get the guy who made the video'. And she did.
Don't give me this it was a fluid situation line of BS. Everyone knew it wasn't because of some video. This was fabricated because, after 3 1/2 years in office, the Presidents policies weren't working.
Do you not think that if Dan Quayle would have made such a comment, I won't even go there. I call them spuds. You get my drift.
 
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Again, you're talking about stuff that's been hashed out. Clinton testified for 11 hours about the stuff you're talking about and nothing was ever found. If you want to get SO DEEP into this situation, you'd know that there are facts about a terrorist group taking credit on social media, then not taking credit. And when someone was captured involved with the attack, they did say the video played a role. So it was a very mixed message, as many incidents like these are, where you don't fully comprehend the planning and executing of the attack for a while after. The other option would be for the US to stay silent on the issue until they are 100% sure - which I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate either.

You can't say you understand that it was on going and things were happening real time halfway across the world - and then criticize for not knowing. Again, what the hell difference does it make if it was a random terrorist attack and a violent protest? The outcome is the freaking same and it's no better either way.

It's interesting that you would bring up her testimony before Congress. The issue was brought up today as well, in the Comey testimony. Poor, poor, arrogant Hillary LIED in her sworn testimony to Congress and Comey was asked if he was aware of it. He said yes, but it wasn't actionable, unless Congress sent the FBI a referral. Trey Gowdy said, that there would be one on the way.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/james...07/clinton-untrue-statements-fbi-comey-225216
 
Let me know the last Secretary of State that we got to read their communications. One of the flagged "classified" emails was about rescheduling a phone call with the President of Malawi. I'm horrified.

Again, one of the primary problems I see here is that civilians with no experience are casting judgment on this as "not a big deal" because of evidence like this. The broad majority of the classified - retroactively or otherwise - emails that she sent were Confidential. No big deal, I agree. Those get screwed up from time to time without much blowback in many government organizations, and some Confidential ends up widely reported open source and it's no big deal.

The part that's alarming is multiple (I think at least eight) emails containing TS/SAP(SCI) information. THAT is a big f&*%ing deal and one that would definitely cost most anyone their access, their clearance, and therefore their job. That's information that deals with national technical means of gathering information that we don't want anyone to know about and identification of operations and operatives in places we don't want anyone to know about. That's the kind of stuff that actually costs lives, if not worse. And yet, we've got politicians and civilian supporters of politicians running around talking sarcastically about how "horrified" they are at this scandal they want everyone to view as not a big deal.

How about this: how about you admit that, yeah, that IS a big deal, and is something she should not only acknowledge, but apologize for rather than continuing to just blow it off?
 
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And yet we learn today that her lawyers in fact all had TS clearances thanks to the circus that is the Comey questioning. So swing and a miss there.

A TS clearance does not give you access to SCI/SAP, nor to all TS, because "Need to Know" comes into play.

Chaffetz just said her attorneys DID NOT have any clearance, so where did you get that they were cleared for TS?
 
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A TS clearance does not give you access to SCI/SAP, nor to all TS, because "Need to Know" comes into play.
Granting them access would be an administrative process that doesn't take all that long, and "Need to Know" in this case would be pretty easy considering they would prove that by the nature of their work, even retroactively. I doubt the lawyers had anything other than SAP/SCI, depending on which specific access level (A, B, C, etc.) since strict TS is generally only used for crypto anymore, and that doesn't make any sense to have lawyers with just strictly TS clearance.
 
Granting them access would be an administrative process that doesn't take all that long, and "Need to Know" in this case would be pretty easy considering they would prove that by the nature of their work, even retroactively. I doubt the lawyers had anything other than SAP/SCI, depending on which specific access level (A, B, C, etc.) since strict TS is generally only used for crypto anymore, and that doesn't make any sense to have lawyers with just strictly TS clearance.

I just find it hard to believe that they would grant them blanket access to everything. As I said earlier, Chaffetz asked a question, during which he questioned the lawyers access, since they didn't have clearances. I'm curious where qaz got the info, that they were cleared for TS.
 
Qaz, I completely understand your party affiliation, here is my take.
She pucked fup the situation in Benghazi. No denying the puck fup. If an ambassadore is killed on your watch it's on you.
I don't hold that entirely against her. She told the parents of the dead soldiers it was a spontaneous riot due to a video. 'I promise we'll get the guy who made the video'. And she did.
Don't give me this it was a fluid situation line of BS. Everyone knew it wasn't because of some video. This was fabricated because, after 3 1/2 years in office, the Presidents policies weren't working.
Do you not think that if Dan Quayle would have made such a comment, I won't even go there. I call them spuds. You get my drift.
The guy asked for 5 security agents. The night of the incident, he had 5 security agents. It wasn't enough. So what exactly did she do that "pucked it up?" She did not personally deny his security request, and she did no reduce the funding for security nor did she say AMB go to this really dangerous place that we probably shouldn't even have open and take inadequate security.

So Reagan pucked up the Marine bombing in 83? Bush pucked up on 9/11? I mean after all they were both in charge when it happened so it was "on them?" Right?
 
I just find it hard to believe that they would grant them blanket access to everything. As I said earlier, Chaffetz asked a question, during which he questioned the lawyers access, since they didn't have clearances. I'm curious where qaz got the info, that they were cleared for TS.
From the livestream of the proceedings. It was made clear that her lawyers had TS clearances. To be clear, that came from Clinton's spokesperson, that the lawyers who went through her email to sort through them had those clearances.
 
I just find it hard to believe that they would grant them blanket access to everything. As I said earlier, Chaffetz asked a question, during which he questioned the lawyers access, since they didn't have clearances. I'm curious where qaz got the info, that they were cleared for TS.
I'd guess that it's fairly common for high-level attorneys representing officials such as Clinton to have access to the same level of information that the official herself does. Clinton has rights, and certainly State has attorneys cleared at the highest levels as does just about any military staff.
 
I'd guess that it's fairly common for high-level attorneys representing officials such as Clinton to have access to the same level of information that the official herself does. Clinton has rights, and certainly State has attorneys cleared at the highest levels as does just about any military staff.
heck most civilian defense counsel who represent the military have either Secret or TS clearances. It's just smart practice. I assume the same of these attorneys that worked for Clinton.
 
From the livestream of the proceedings. It was made clear that her lawyers had TS clearances. To be clear, that came from Clinton's spokesperson, that the lawyers who went through her email to sort through them had those clearances.

Chaffetz asked Comey directly, if the attorneys had clearances and he said, "NO". I'll take his word for it.
 
What is also interesting about this hastily arranged session is that Comey under questioning is now minimizing or walking back some of the things he said that reduce Clinton's culpability such as saying that some of those emails "marked classified" weren't necessarily "marked classified" because the header information was taking out, or that she wasn't tech savvy, or that she was honest with the FBI.

As usual, the Republicans aren't satisfied with what they get, they wanted more, overreached and now they've lost ground. Combined with some of the crazy stuff Trump has said in the last 48 hours (Article 12 of the Constitution anyone?) and his contentious meetings with both House and Senate republicans today...

Well, I stand by my prediction that the effect of all of this is going to end up being pretty minimal overall.
 
Chaffetz asked Comey directly, if the attorneys had clearances and he said, "NO". I'll take his word for it.
Has nothing to do with his "word." He appears to be mistaken. Doesn't mean he's lying. As Gr8 said, it's highly unlikely that the top level attorneys that Clinton would have would have no security clearances AT ALL. At a minimum they'd have Secret.
 
What is also interesting about this hastily arranged session is that Comey under questioning is now minimizing or walking back some of the things he said that reduce Clinton's culpability such as saying that some of those emails "marked classified" weren't necessarily "marked classified" because the header information was taking out, or that she wasn't tech savvy, or that she was honest with the FBI.

As usual, the Republicans aren't satisfied with what they get, they wanted more, overreached and now they've lost ground. Combined with some of the crazy stuff Trump has said in the last 48 hours (Article 12 of the Constitution anyone?) and his contentious meetings with both House and Senate republicans today...

Well, I stand by my prediction that the effect of all of this is going to end up being pretty minimal overall.
So she or someone on her staff took the headers off? That's a crime.
 
So she or someone on her staff took the headers off? That's a crime.
Not necessarily. If State was the original classification authority, they can absolutely classify and declassify information based on lots of different things. If they removed the headers with intent of purposefully covering up the fact that they were transmitting classified material on unsecure networks, then yes, that would be a crime.
 
This is the actual exchange. No one said they were stripped of markings by her or her staff (and quite frankly, if they found that evidence, that could very well be a crime). There are plenty of "career" State employees that aren't political appointments. They weren't properly marked. Again, the classifications are fluid and not basic. A couple of the emails have also been pointed out to be marked classified in error.


Democrat Matt Cartwright held up a manual of classified markings, asking James Comey if the emails that he said bore classification markings were properly marked.

Comey said they were not, that they should have had banners and headers indicating classified material inside.

Cartwright asked if Hillary Clinton, knowing the manual, would have likely assumed an email did not have classified information if there were no banner.

“That would be a reasonable inference,” Comey said.

The classified markings point will likely be one of the biggest takeaways from the hearing.
 
The guy asked for 5 security agents. The night of the incident, he had 5 security agents. It wasn't enough. So what exactly did she do that "pucked it up?" She did not personally deny his security request, and she did no reduce the funding for security nor did she say AMB go to this really dangerous place that we probably shouldn't even have open and take inadequate security.

So Reagan pucked up the Marine bombing in 83? Bush pucked up on 9/11? I mean after all they were both in charge when it happened so it was "on them?" Right?

Stephens asked for a lot more than 5 security agents. He asked for funding to reinforce the compound, additional personnel and numerous other things, that were all denied. In Hillary's testimony before Congress, she said she didn't handle security requests. They had a Department that took care of security requests. It's reassuring to know that she cared so much for her "friend", that she took the time to follow up on anything he might need. Inquiring about the security situation in locations where State Dept personnel were stationed was apparently below her paygrade. If I were SoS during Benghazi, I would have been all over SecDef to get assets there ASAP. She didn't even talk to SecDef that night. The woman is incompetent.

To Hillary, her position as Sec. of State was merely a bullet for her resume and an opportunity to get photo ops with world leaders at taxpayer expense. When asked about (Congressional hearing) who assigns the classification to documents in the State Department, she replied, "The State Department". She never seemed to grasp, that she had the final say on the issue. She seemed oblivious to what she was really supposed to do. She was filling space for 4 yrs, so she could take another shot at her ultimate dream.

She and Bill also made a lot of money on speaking fees from nations, that had business before the State Department. For those who want to deny it, there were just too many coincidences of issues before StateDept, Bill being invited to give a speech for up to $750K and the issue being resolved amicably for the country paying the fee. Same thing happened with the Clinton Foundation. Bill, Hillary and her Dem sycophants keep saying, "Move along now. There's nothing to see here" I don't know what we'll see, but the stench is overwhelming...
 
This is the actual exchange. No one said they were stripped of markings by her or her staff (and quite frankly, if they found that evidence, that could very well be a crime). There are plenty of "career" State employees that aren't political appointments. They weren't properly marked. Again, the classifications are fluid and not basic. A couple of the emails have also been pointed out to be marked classified in error.


Democrat Matt Cartwright held up a manual of classified markings, asking James Comey if the emails that he said bore classification markings were properly marked.

Comey said they were not, that they should have had banners and headers indicating classified material inside.

Cartwright asked if Hillary Clinton, knowing the manual, would have likely assumed an email did not have classified information if there were no banner.

“That would be a reasonable inference,” Comey said.

The classified markings point will likely be one of the biggest takeaways from the hearing.
They had the best possible version of what they were going to have, but they couldn't leave it alone, and now they have a lesser version.

Either version wasn't going to be enough.

And now they will go the investigating whether she lied to Congress route apparently.

Again, it's clear they don't have any faith in winning this election by a battle of ideas.
 
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