Excellent analysis of 2023-24 basketball

[Do Dah Day]

 

[tjreese]

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missed shots...turnovers...handling pressure but at the end of the day ...they too don't see why success against the competition Purdue plays would not also be successful in the tourney and that there are "other factors" in play. I think the more active Purdue is offensively inside the arc, the better they shoot behind the arc...and I'm not counting Zach as that reason. Be mentally in the game and the shots will fall and you get mentally in the game on D, Boards and attacking offensively until the total focus is there and now you stroke it behind the arc since you are doing other good things and there is less pressure to hit the shot...

 

[*4purdue*]

missed shots...turnovers...handling pressure but at the end of the day ...they too don't see why success against the competition Purdue plays would not also be successful in the tourney and that there are "other factors" in play. I think the more active Purdue is offensively inside the arc, the better they shoot behind the arc...and I'm not counting Zach as that reason. Be mentally in the game and the shots will fall and you get mentally in the game on D, Boards and attacking offensively until the total focus is there and now you stroke it behind the arc since you are doing other good things and there is less pressure to hit the shot...

We are not successful in March because we are very predictable.... We play the same D, sub at the same times with the same rotation & run the same offense. Very easy to scout a team like this by the time March is here and there are 30 games of tape to watch. This will be a very good team, but there is a fine line between winning & going home come March and if you don't adjust, you lose. FDU coach called his shot last year... he said he's seen the tapes & think they can beat us.... he executed their plan & we had nothing for them.

 

[HoosierfanJM]

Not that anyone's asking, but to me there is only one theme of danger tht could markedly effect the success of this upcoming Purdue team, and that is:

There are two players on the team that are absolutely indispensable and irreplaceable.

• One because he is the most unstoppable offensive player in college basketball, and
• The other because he is the only realistic primary ballhandler choice on the roster, and he is is a very physical, constantly moving smaller player.

If either of those players goes down with an injury or gets in major foul trouble early in a tournament game it's practically a fatal problem.

However, both of those situations are plausible but not likely to happen. With Edey and Smith healthy and in the lineup not much will prevent Purdue from being really good again.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

We are not successful in March because we are very predictable.... We play the same D, sub at the same times with the same rotation & run the same offense. Very easy to scout a team like this by the time March is here and there are 30 games of tape to watch. This will be a very good team, but there is a fine line between winning & going home come March and if you don't adjust, you lose. FDU coach called his shot last year... he said he's seen the tapes & think they can beat us.... he executed their plan & we had nothing for them.

His plan was pretty simple. He basically dared Purdue’s complimentary players to beat him.

Purdue just needs to execute better on offense and impose its will on an undersized team like FDU. There is going to be a mental challenge to overcome in the first round next season, because the pressure will be all on Purdue against an opponent who will be starting the game with no pressure and a lot of confidence, but if Purdue plays its game, I don’t think any first round opponent will be able to scheme itself to victory.

 

[Chi-Boiler]

Here are my company's just released odds to win the B1G regular season.

Purdue +175
Mich St +280
Maryland +800
Wisconsin +1100
Illinois +1300
Indinia +1400
Ohio St +1500
Iowa +2500
Northwestern +2500
Rutgers +2500
Michigan +5000
Nebraska +5000
Penn St +8000
Minnesota +15000

Also, some money must have come in on Dick for the Wooden. He moved from +900 to +800. Edey unchanged at +175.

 

[tjreese]

Not that anyone's asking, but to me there is only one theme of danger tht could markedly effect the success of this upcoming Purdue team, and that is:

There are two players on the team that are absolutely indispensable and irreplaceable.

• One because he is the most unstoppable offensive player in college basketball, and
• The other because he is the only realistic primary ballhandler choice on the roster, and he is is a very physical, constantly moving smaller player.

If either of those players goes down with an injury or gets in major foul trouble early in a tournament game it's practically a fatal problem.

However, both of those situations are plausible but not likely to happen. With Edey and Smith healthy and in the lineup not much will prevent Purdue from being really good again.

not as bad as last year. Lance could provide help for Braden this year. Trey can fill for Zach. They may not be as good for those two spots, but there are reasons to believe that it won't be as bad if Braden or Zach was lost for a game or season

 

[HoosierfanJM]

not as bad as last year. Lance could provide help for Braden this year. Trey can fill for Zach. They may not be as good for those two spots, but there are reasons to believe that it won't be as bad if Braden or Zach was lost for a game or season

Many solid bigs, but Edey is irreplaceable because he is not 'solid,' he is the returning NPOY.

Jones is a point on defense, but on offense? He is exclusively an undersized shooting guard. He has a long track record and has more turnovers than assists, and has very few assists per 40 minutes for a player of his size.

 

[tjreese]

We are not successful in March because we are very predictable.... We play the same D, sub at the same times with the same rotation & run the same offense. Very easy to scout a team like this by the time March is here and there are 30 games of tape to watch. This will be a very good team, but there is a fine line between winning & going home come March and if you don't adjust, you lose. FDU coach called his shot last year... he said he's seen the tapes & think they can beat us.... he executed their plan & we had nothing for them.

Perhaps, but consider this. The D changes not only for every game, but inside the game several times. This is just what happens. We may not know because we are focusing on other things and look for huge changes when it is changes inside the basic D approach. How the players on the opposition play relative to success happening relative to the view of your team and understanding the strengths and weaknesses take place all the time. The changes are subtle for the fans. Now, if you are wanting whole philosophy changes on D, then Purdue doesn't change D in that light.

I don't think the opposition changes their approach to the game as a result of Purdue subbing different players. They may tweak that coverage on certain players different, but they will not change their philosophy on D or O either. Because of the shot clock, Purdue plays less motion and more sets than years ago. Rather than read from the beginning on O, Purdue goes into an alignment to run some prescribed movement of which reads on the D are still there depending on what the D does. So there are some things that change from game to game and inside a game.

That said, Purdue's offense was dependent on the 3 ball and Zach. In that regard it was mostly a two level offense...at the rim and behind the arc. I hope to see more attacking the basket and the in-between game being a bit more dominant since a lot of D has that as the soft spot. It is well documented that missed open shots, Zach not seeing the ball as much due to them selling out and turning the ball over were the problem last year against FDU. For every game does the coach change things to early or too late or not change at all? Errors can take place inside any of those choices and because something doesn't work out it doesn't mean something different would be better.

Now a couple of thoughts. With all the talk of St Peters and a certain player playing perhaps his worse game at Purdue with about a minute or so to play and still possible to win it, the shot clock was under 2 seconds and a St Peter's player was on the floor and Mason (not trying to pick on him at all) jumped on the player with the ball and was assessed a foul. Can't recall if he went to the line or they got the ball out of bounds, but it was PUrdue's ball if he doesn't. Last year many of us saw what we believed were players without confidence...nobody comfortable in the moment. That deer in the headlight can happen due to a couple of things I'm aware even if more exist. 1) These players for whatever reason lose confidence when the lights are brighter or 2) the lack of flow and deer in the headlights is due to overthinking and not just playing. Is the overthinking a function of too much always looking to Zach first or could it also be too many things going through the head?

FWIW, one guy I was speaking with and the conversation turned to coaching and he just flat out said Purdue has sooooooooooo many sets (and I'm sure you have read that before...at least from Braden) that the offense is the most complicated college basketball offense due to the numerous number of sets. So, perhaps there are too many sets requiring thought rather than fewer sets more finely honed? I do believe Matt will break through...but the Indians are restless I know. Do you teach a mile wide and an inch deep or an mile deep and an inch wide which always takes place in teaching. Perhaps it is complication rather than simplification that is at the root of some of the issues?

 

[tjreese]

Many solid bigs, but Edey is irreplaceable because he is not 'solid,' he is the returning NPOY.

Jones is a point on defense, but on offense? He is exclusively an undersized shooting guard. He has a long track record and has more turnovers than assists, and has very few assists per 40 minutes for a player of his size.

not at all what I said. Following too close to Bob's feelings it appears. You are not going to replace Zach, but I think Purdue is good enough to weather the storm should Zach get in foul trouble or be lost for a while against most teams. Lance has shown enough that losing Braden will not be as big of loss as last year either. Not because Braden isn't good (because he is very good), but Lance can provide some PG time and not sure there was a backup last year. I do not know how Matt will use Lance, but know he is good on the ball. I think we see Lance and Braden on the court together some. Whoever is on the court, Braden will run the team. If there were two Bradens they could play the 1 & 2, but his best spot is the 1.

I think losing Braden last year would have been more detrimental than losing Zach just because I think the gap between Zach and Trey was not as wide as nobody behind Braden...and it all starts with Braden.

 

[Schmedly_Whiplash]

Many solid bigs, but Edey is irreplaceable because he is not 'solid,' he is the returning NPOY.

Jones is a point on defense, but on offense? He is exclusively an undersized shooting guard. He has a long track record and has more turnovers than assists, and has very few assists per 40 minutes for a player of his size.

sounds good but is it true?
LAST season TKR had 24? in one of his only starts that Zack did not play. Won the game with that kind of fill in.
Kind of like when Glenn Rob left and everyone expected a big dropoff without the NPOY, but no.
Take the light off Zach and it's still there to focus on whoever IS doing the job with Zach out.
People always talk about all stars being irreplaceable and while they certainly are important, it's just not true. You don't lose all their pts and rebounds. SOMEONE picks up those minutes and contributes something.
If a given player can produce 75%ish of Zach's production, then the other guys should pick up the rest.
TKR Is MUCH better this season by all accounts.
And Jones is a viable and effective player (from what I've seen) that can fill in at pg.
This team is much better equipped to win when Zach has a bad game, or fouls, or is injured, or schemed to shut down.
Personally I"m hoping they free Zach up to go for more rim protection. Fouls be damned.

We need to be able to win without him to be the team that nobody can beat With him.

 

[SCBoiler1]

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These guys actually know what they are talking about. A balanced and realistic discussion on Purdue basketball. I think the guy on the left makes the best points but all seem optimistic but cautious when discussing Purdue's chances.

 

[Hausta01]

Perhaps, but consider this. The D changes not only for every game, but inside the game several times. This is just what happens. We may not know because we are focusing on other things and look for huge changes when it is changes inside the basic D approach. How the players on the opposition play relative to success happening relative to the view of your team and understanding the strengths and weaknesses take place all the time. The changes are subtle for the fans. Now, if you are wanting whole philosophy changes on D, then Purdue doesn't change D in that light.

I don't think the opposition changes their approach to the game as a result of Purdue subbing different players. They may tweak that coverage on certain players different, but they will not change their philosophy on D or O either. Because of the shot clock, Purdue plays less motion and more sets than years ago. Rather than read from the beginning on O, Purdue goes into an alignment to run some prescribed movement of which reads on the D are still there depending on what the D does. So there are some things that change from game to game and inside a game.

That said, Purdue's offense was dependent on the 3 ball and Zach. In that regard it was mostly a two level offense...at the rim and behind the arc. I hope to see more attacking the basket and the in-between game being a bit more dominant since a lot of D has that as the soft spot. It is well documented that missed open shots, Zach not seeing the ball as much due to them selling out and turning the ball over were the problem last year against FDU. For every game does the coach change things to early or too late or not change at all? Errors can take place inside any of those choices and because something doesn't work out it doesn't mean something different would be better.

Now a couple of thoughts. With all the talk of St Peters and a certain player playing perhaps his worse game at Purdue with about a minute or so to play and still possible to win it, the shot clock was under 2 seconds and a St Peter's player was on the floor and Mason (not trying to pick on him at all) jumped on the player with the ball and was assessed a foul. Can't recall if he went to the line or they got the ball out of bounds, but it was PUrdue's ball if he doesn't. Last year many of us saw what we believed were players without confidence...nobody comfortable in the moment. That deer in the headlight can happen due to a couple of things I'm aware even if more exist. 1) These players for whatever reason lose confidence when the lights are brighter or 2) the lack of flow and deer in the headlights is due to overthinking and not just playing. Is the overthinking a function of too much always looking to Zach first or could it also be too many things going through the head?

FWIW, one guy I was speaking with and the conversation turned to coaching and he just flat out said Purdue has sooooooooooo many sets (and I'm sure you have read that before...at least from Braden) that the offense is the most complicated college basketball offense due to the numerous number of sets. So, perhaps there are too many sets requiring thought rather than fewer sets more finely honed? I do believe Matt will break through...but the Indians are restless I know. Do you teach a mile wide and an inch deep or an mile deep and an inch wide which always takes place in teaching. Perhaps it is complication rather than simplification that is at the root of some of the issues?

Just focusing on your last point - I have read and heard so many coaches say Purdue's offense is very hard to prepare for (not just Zach Edey) because of all the things they do. So people complain about how easy we are to scout don't seem to be in alignment with people who scout/develop game plans for a living.

 

[Do Dah Day]

Just focusing on your last point - I have read and heard so many coaches say Purdue's offense is very hard to prepare for (not just Zach Edey) because of all the things they do. So people complain about how easy we are to scout don't seem to be in alignment with people who scout/develop game plans for a living.

absolutely. Purdue doesn't have a defined offense. Each movement is based on what the defense juat did. There are several options within each rotation.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

Here are my company's just released odds to win the B1G regular season.

***

*** Dick for the Wooden. He moved from +900 to +800. ***

I think I see what you did there.......lol.

 

[Dekezar]

sounds good but is it true?
LAST season TKR had 24? in one of his only starts that Zack did not play. Won the game with that kind of fill in.
Kind of like when Glenn Rob left and everyone expected a big dropoff without the NPOY, but no.
Take the light off Zach and it's still there to focus on whoever IS doing the job with Zach out.
People always talk about all stars being irreplaceable and while they certainly are important, it's just not true. You don't lose all their pts and rebounds. SOMEONE picks up those minutes and contributes something.
If a given player can produce 75%ish of Zach's production, then the other guys should pick up the rest.
TKR Is MUCH better this season by all accounts.
And Jones is a viable and effective player (from what I've seen) that can fill in at pg.
This team is much better equipped to win when Zach has a bad game, or fouls, or is injured, or schemed to shut down.
Personally I"m hoping they free Zach up to go for more rim protection. Fouls be damned.

We need to be able to win without him to be the team that nobody can beat With him.

It’s really simple hit your outside shots and Edey will take care of the inside no one can stop him down under let’s go

 

[tjreese]

Just focusing on your last point - I have read and heard so many coaches say Purdue's offense is very hard to prepare for (not just Zach Edey) because of all the things they do. So people complain about how easy we are to scout don't seem to be in alignment with people who scout/develop game plans for a living.

When people talk about ease of scouting I often hear the words not spoken as not having large changes. Offensively, many see Purdue using a 5 man to be a primary scorer...game after game. Then they see the 3 ball and so they see Purdue as "post centric" with 4 behind the arc. On D, they only see man and so a change to them is to see zone or a press sometimes as well as most offense coming away from the 5...guards predominantly.

What I hope to see whether a wrinkle for some of the game or a lot in certain games is to have 3 behind the arc instead of 4...creating more space between those behind the arc so that a defender cannot recover between 2 as easy and then follow the ball the last few feet since they know where Purdue shooters are standing. That being said I like Trey with the ball at the FT line and Zach low on the blocks. Trey having the ball at that location can get to shooters quicker than low post Zach throwing it back out where those defenders split the offensive players early and then followed the ball. Trey with the ball and Zack's defender playing behind or 3/4...short quick pass from Trey should get there sooner and easier to make. Trey with ball and defender fronting Zach. Any made basket or soft shot from Trey has Zach in great rebounding position and should grab everything that bounces off the rim softly. Trey with ball...does defender quickly split the distance between the player he as guarding and Zack and is that distance even possible to prevent ball to Zach in which case he has time to shoot? If defender goes closer to Zach to get there in time, can he recover to the man he was defending since Trey has the ball and it takes less time to pass it? 2 on Zack and one on Trey leaves two defenders to cover 3 people now spread farther apart than before behind the arc. Does Purdue have 3 perimeter shooters or 4 perimeter shooters most the time?

 

[Chi-Boiler]

Can Fanta bob his head any more in that video?

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

Can Fanta bob his head any more in that video?

From 3:13 on for about a minute straight with the crescendo @ approximately 4:00. Kudos.....Hey everyone, it's Field of 68 bobblehead night........but wait.....there's more folks.

 

[Bleedinggoldandblack]

not at all what I said. Following too close to Bob's feelings it appears. You are not going to replace Zach, but I think Purdue is good enough to weather the storm should Zach get in foul trouble or be lost for a while against most teams. Lance has shown enough that losing Braden will not be as big of loss as last year either. Not because Braden isn't good (because he is very good), but Lance can provide some PG time and not sure there was a backup last year. I do not know how Matt will use Lance, but know he is good on the ball. I think we see Lance and Braden on the court together some. Whoever is on the court, Braden will run the team. If there were two Bradens they could play the 1 & 2, but his best spot is the 1.

I think losing Braden last year would have been more detrimental than losing Zach just because I think the gap between Zach and Trey was not as wide as nobody behind Braden...and it all starts with Braden.

tj. you getting warmed up huh bro-man always appreciate your indepth analysis take.....just about to come off my meds from last season....man I wanna believe

 

[Dryfly88]

When people talk about ease of scouting I often hear the words not spoken as not having large changes. Offensively, many see Purdue using a 5 man to be a primary scorer...game after game. Then they see the 3 ball and so they see Purdue as "post centric" with 4 behind the arc. On D, they only see man and so a change to them is to see zone or a press sometimes as well as most offense coming away from the 5...guards predominantly.

What I hope to see whether a wrinkle for some of the game or a lot in certain games is to have 3 behind the arc instead of 4...creating more space between those behind the arc so that a defender cannot recover between 2 as easy and then follow the ball the last few feet since they know where Purdue shooters are standing. That being said I like Trey with the ball at the FT line and Zach low on the blocks. Trey having the ball at that location can get to shooters quicker than low post Zach throwing it back out where those defenders split the offensive players early and then followed the ball. Trey with the ball and Zack's defender playing behind or 3/4...short quick pass from Trey should get there sooner and easier to make. Trey with ball and defender fronting Zach. Any made basket or soft shot from Trey has Zach in great rebounding position and should grab everything that bounces off the rim softly. Trey with ball...does defender quickly split the distance between the player he as guarding and Zack and is that distance even possible to prevent ball to Zach in which case he has time to shoot? If defender goes closer to Zach to get there in time, can he recover to the man he was defending since Trey has the ball and it takes less time to pass it? 2 on Zack and one on Trey leaves two defenders to cover 3 people now spread farther apart than before behind the arc. Does Purdue have 3 perimeter shooters or 4 perimeter shooters most the time?

If we get the "mid-range" game you are referring to, it will go against the analytics that CMP follows. I'm with you, I hope we see more of it.

 

[Monk1014]

The analysis was spot on! We will go as far as our 3pt (perimeter) shooting will take us.

 

[tjreese]

tj. you getting warmed up huh bro-man always appreciate your indepth analysis take.....just about to come off my meds from last season....man I wanna believe

I have been ready for several months. Thank you for the kind words. There are a lot of opinions out there, but all of us want Purdue to do well. Hopefully, several players will get a shot and Purdue can still win. That is the best scenario. Going out to Arkansas to play Arkansas in what should be a good, older team could be a test right out of the gate...and yet it is exhibition and so Matt may be spreading some minutes even if close. Still, Purdue should win. I like to talk basketball

A few years ago just prior to Andy Weaver becoming the Plainfield basketball coach I ran into him in a grocery and started talking ball. Told him he used to guard a nephew and that I liked his JV and Varsity coach at Clinton Prairie when he was a player. Talk went on and then I apologized for taking his time and he said he loved hearing old stories about basketball and so a few of us kill too much time talking about a game we enjoy! I always figured that the time Purdue broke through it wouldn't be with one of the better teams and this year is one of the better teams and so I hope that thought is wrong,

 

[tjreese]

If we get the "mid-range" game you are referring to, it will go against the analytics that CMP follows. I'm with you, I hope we see more of it.

I know I get that, but I still think it is needed because in my eyes the game results may not be tied to typical stats. Matt says the defense and offense are related and being good in one helps the other. That is true, but I go a bit farther and think and offense should be able to adapt to any defense being played for it to be a good offense. If the data set is limited (as you have suggested before) in the variety of defenses a team sees, then does that offensive data set without perhaps proper weighting of the different defense have an accurate rating on its offense? All that said I also acknowledge that the shot clock hinders some offenses more than others. I think it is hard to "get into the game fully" if not driving the ball some, cutting through the lane. What used to be standard basketball for jumpers in the lane is now a soft spot in most defenses. IU's offense against Purdue's defense the last couple of years attacked that soft spot for some offense.

We "may" see more since Mason drove the ball once or twice in the scrimmage as did Trey from behind the arc and Ethan had no problem pulling up inside the arc. I like to see potential scoring on 3 levels...and if Trey is the 4 as Matt said...I will be surprised if it has much to do with shooting behind the arc, but perhaps he has improved a lot?

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

I have been ready for several months. Thank you for the kind words. There are a lot of opinions out there, but all of us want Purdue to do well. Hopefully, several players will get a shot and Purdue can still win. That is the best scenario. Going out to Arkansas to play Arkansas in what should be a good, older team could be a test right out of the gate...and yet it is exhibition and so Matt may be spreading some minutes even if close. Still, Purdue should win. I like to talk basketball

A few years ago just prior to Andy Weaver becoming the Plainfield basketball coach I ran into him in a grocery and started talking ball. Told him he used to guard a nephew and that I liked his JV and Varsity coach at Clinton Prairie when he was a player. Talk went on and then I apologized for taking his time and he said he loved hearing old stories about basketball and so a few of us kill too much time talking about a game we enjoy! I always figured that the time Purdue broke through it wouldn't be with one of the better teams and this year is one of the better teams and so I hope that thought is wrong,

Weaver was a hell of a coach at Western when we played against them…I always admired his coaching style as an opposing player. We beat them in the regular season, but he had a great game-plan against us in the sectional. Glad to hear he took the time to talk basketball with you.

 

[Schmedly_Whiplash]

If we get the "mid-range" game you are referring to, it will go against the analytics that CMP follows. I'm with you, I hope we see more of it.

Can anyone show me where Matt Painter actually SAYS that he doesn't want someone taking midrange shots??
I"ve never seen it reported except "fans" that dont' like him so much re-"reporting" it.

 

[Dryfly88]

Can anyone show me where Matt Painter actually SAYS that he doesn't want someone taking midrange shots??
I"ve never seen it reported except "fans" that dont' like him so much re-"reporting" it.

If you've listened to CMP at all over the years you have certainly heard him talk about the analytics of taking 3 point shots and layups. This has nothing to do with liking or disliking him. I, in fact, like him and have never said otherwise. Did you notice that TJ didn't disagree with me that CMP follows analytics? That's because he knows it to be true and he and I are both hoping that we go away from that more often this year and develop some mid-range games with some of our guys.

Certainly you are aware that CMP was the first BB coach in the B1G to hire a full time analytics position. Maybe you're not aware, and that is why you made the comment you did.

 

[lovelyblonde]

not at all what I said. Following too close to Bob's feelings it appears. You are not going to replace Zach, but I think Purdue is good enough to weather the storm should Zach get in foul trouble or be lost for a while against most teams. Lance has shown enough that losing Braden will not be as big of loss as last year either. Not because Braden isn't good (because he is very good), but Lance can provide some PG time and not sure there was a backup last year. I do not know how Matt will use Lance, but know he is good on the ball. I think we see Lance and Braden on the court together some. Whoever is on the court, Braden will run the team. If there were two Bradens they could play the 1 & 2, but his best spot is the 1.

I think losing Braden last year would have been more detrimental than losing Zach just because I think the gap between Zach and Trey was not as wide as nobody behind Braden...and it all starts with Braden.

Exactly.

 

[tjreese]

Weaver was a hell of a coach at Western when we played against them…I always admired his coaching style as an opposing player. We beat them in the regular season, but he had a great game-plan against us in the sectional. Glad to hear he took the time to talk basketball with you.

Bobby Smith was his varsity coach a good coach and good guy as was Bob Blaydes (RIP). Andy enjoyed it...said he likes to talk basketball and hear old stories.

 

[Bleedinggoldandblack]

I have been ready for several months. Thank you for the kind words. There are a lot of opinions out there, but all of us want Purdue to do well. Hopefully, several players will get a shot and Purdue can still win. That is the best scenario. Going out to Arkansas to play Arkansas in what should be a good, older team could be a test right out of the gate...and yet it is exhibition and so Matt may be spreading some minutes even if close. Still, Purdue should win. I like to talk basketball

A few years ago just prior to Andy Weaver becoming the Plainfield basketball coach I ran into him in a grocery and started talking ball. Told him he used to guard a nephew and that I liked his JV and Varsity coach at Clinton Prairie when he was a player. Talk went on and then I apologized for taking his time and he said he loved hearing old stories about basketball and so a few of us kill too much time talking about a game we enjoy! I always figured that the time Purdue broke through it wouldn't be with one of the better teams and this year is one of the better teams and so I hope that thought is wrong,

Life is in the unexpected beautiful moments my friend

 

[tjreese]

Life is in the unexpected beautiful moments my friend

very true and if there were no bumps in the road we wouldn't appreciate when the road didn't have bumps

 

[Schmedly_Whiplash]

If you've listened to CMP at all over the years you have certainly heard him talk about the analytics of taking 3 point shots and layups. This has nothing to do with liking or disliking him. I, in fact, like him and have never said otherwise. Did you notice that TJ didn't disagree with me that CMP follows analytics? That's because he knows it to be true and he and I are both hoping that we go away from that more often this year and develop some mid-range games with some of our guys.

Certainly you are aware that CMP was the first BB coach in the B1G to hire a full time analytics position. Maybe you're not aware, and that is why you made the comment you did.

I"ve followed matt his entire career including his playing career. And I've not heard him tell ANYONE not to take a midrange shot. Now if you are standing unguarded then hell yes get to the line. But the other part of that premise is FLOW and that's what midrange shooting gives a team. And Matt's aknowlodged that.
As I said initially, if someone has a quote or clip of him telling someone not to take a midrange shot, Show it. Otherwise spouting nonsense that supports your idea of what is right.

 

[Dryfly88]

I"ve followed matt his entire career including his playing career. And I've not heard him tell ANYONE not to take a midrange shot. Now if you are standing unguarded then hell yes get to the line. But the other part of that premise is FLOW and that's what midrange shooting gives a team. And Matt's aknowlodged that.
As I said initially, if someone has a quote or clip of him telling someone not to take a midrange shot, Show it. Otherwise spouting nonsense that supports your idea of what is right.

You obviously know nothing about analytics... It doesn't mean you NEVER take a mid-range shot. It says you should do it very little. Try to keep up, no one has said that you never take a mid-range shot. What TJ and I were saying, is that we hope we do more of it. That would go against the analytics, but we hope we do it.

Go back and read the thread, no one has ever said that CMP has said "never to take a mid-range shot". You are arguing against something that doesn't exist.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

Nobody will care who won today’s game in a few weeks. The rebounding was good, the turnovers were troubling, the three point shooting was a little concerning (until Loyer and Gillis got going). The defense was challenged, but Painter basically said that there was very little scouting and game planning against Arkansas. The biggest factor in the game I thought was that Edey kept picking up fouls and really didn’t play like he’s capable of when he was in the game. Overall, I think it was a good experience and I think that Purdue will be a better team for play this game in this environment.

 

[Schmedly_Whiplash]

Nobody will care who won today’s game in a few weeks. The rebounding was good, the turnovers were troubling, the three point shooting was a little concerning (until Loyer and Gillis got going). The defense was challenged, but Painter basically said that there was very little scouting and game planning against Arkansas. The biggest factor in the game I thought was that Edey kept picking up fouls and really didn’t play like he’s capable of when he was in the game. Overall, I think it was a good experience and I think that Purdue will be a better team for play this game in this environment.

+1 In many ways it looked like last year. Yet as the announcer so honestly stated they just stayed around. A weaker willed team would have been blown out when Ark got it going as the crowd was into it. And all that was mostly without Zach. At times it was demoralizing, but I think you have to keep the big picture in sight.
It was most definitely much needed work against that type of team. Hoping we play more of that before tourney time.

 

[Do Dah Day]

+1 In many ways it looked like last year. Yet as the announcer so honestly stated they just stayed around. A weaker willed team would have been blown out when Ark got it going as the crowd was into it. And all that was mostly without Zach. At times it was demoralizing, but I think you have to keep the big picture in sight.
It was most definitely much needed work against that type of team. Hoping we play more of that before tourney time.

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