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Evander Craft

Why would you assume that though?


my assumptions are made in part based on Brohm's statements. When talking about going to the foster bowl game, he said if the players weren't academically qualified , the y wouldn't go, and they were working hard as both a staff and the players were working hard to make it happen.

By that statement, I infer that brohm and his staff actively monitor their athlete's academic progress. And unlike some previous coaches, brohm and his staff are doing everything they can to keep those players academically qualified. and the players are also buying into it and doing their best to stay qualified.

and when you have both a staff and players both working towards the same outcome, usually attrition because of academics will be lower.

and the facts are, we haven't had any players punching out roommates, or stealing laptops, or bicycles or driving into trees or DUI or sexual assaults, this past semester makes me also believe attrition will be lower than the past.

I think we finally have players who actually give a dam about academics and want to succeed in the classroom. . I have no inside information. Brohm has publically admitted he has players on the edge academically, and he's working hard to keep them. that statement alone makes me believe he is doing his best to keep attrition low. And like everything else he has said and done at Purdue, I believe he will succeed and surpass the expectations and predictions.
 
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I'll agree . however, Craft just made a statement last week about his commitment to Purdue being strong as did Parks 2 days before he de-committed. Bonner just made an official visit to Purdue, but it has been relatively quiet about him.

I used Trice's name as an example of a player who seems like a solid commitment. Parks also seemed like a solid commitment. Taylor seems like he'll become a solid commit.

maybe I should have used Ball or Perkins' names. Does it really matter what name I used? I'm not the coach. I'm just speculating. And my entire point is to gain somebody, you're going to lose somebody. And that somebody is going to be somebody you didn't expect to lose.

I haven't seen or heard anything on Perkins. It would be logical to think he is the next one out of Brohm signs another true CB.

As for Bonner, that kid is going to be a monster, but he got hurt. There is an added risk there. I think Brohm making Taylor his top target shows Taylor would take his spot if he commits.

The staff sees something in Sullivan and they have been visiting him. My guess is that he moves to DT.

I think Smith would be next on the chopping block over Ball. Smith just got a visit on the 4th. Ball just got a visit from Poindexter yesterday and he is constantly posting Purdue stuff. He also goes to Ben Davis which is a powerhouse program.

Miller got a visit from a bunch of the coaches yesterday, that tells me he is still a top priority.

It's all guess work at this point. I think CJB really likes what he has. My guess is he knows what players won't be eligible next year and he is counting on those scholarships opening up. I am sure he has also talked to some players who aren't going to play and knows who will be leaving. I think Purdue has 2-3 more decomits and signs 2-4 more depending on who he can get to commit. I don't think Moore signs at the early period. No reason to. Texas is recruiting over him and Brohm will make room for him. It would benefit everybody if Moore signs early because a) Purdue will know they need to move on or b) Purdue will know to make room.

I think Arak is waiting for a Louisville offer, but he may sign early. He has to know Purdue is near capacity and Purdue is arguably the best offer for him.

I don't think ther will be any surprises. I don't think Purdue loses anybody at the top nor do I think they add a big name they aren't currently openly recruiting.

Finally, graduate transfers: at first I thought Purdue would be looking for a CB, LB, OL, and a DL grad transfer. Now I am not sure they will do that. Just not sure there is enough room.
 
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that was uncalled for.

I do a lot of speculation. And the majority of time, my speculation comes to fruition.

Some people have speculated that Sullivan may be the next to decommit. You don't harass that poster. but when I speculate, yo u harass and did me like no other.

I see patterns and trends.

When looking at the previous de-commits, it's not like they all wanted to leave. Essentially, if you look at Purdue's commitment list, the recruits that de-committed were the lowest ranked commits and at a position where we had other commitments.

I've made the point various times to the disagreement of many on this board, that since we are already 5 players over, in order to add any new recruits, we would have to lose current ones. I've also argued with people about the old one year scholarship rule. it changed. and I provided factual links. Purdue and brohm can no longer just kick people off the team.

To add somebody to this team, brohm has to subtract a recruit. You just saw Craft and kyle de-commit. Why? because you're about to see two new players commit.

and if you really want to know the next players who will decommit, you can just look at our commitment list and see who is at the bottom of that list.

in the last couple of weeks, Trice's ratings have moved up. So he's probably no longer in danger. but his ratings are not that much higher than Kyle or Craft. if Purdue signs Taylor and Moore, some WR is going to leave - Kyle is already reported to be reopening his recruitment and maybe Bonner.

without having any inside information, I would say the next three de-commitments will probably be Ball, Perkins and Rucker and maybe Lane..

I don't make things up or pull things out of my ass. I speculate on trends and facts. it's a fact to add a player, we must subtract a player. and currently, the trend has been the player to leave has been a recruit de-committing.

there have been other people " speculating" that Purdue will also lose a bunch of current players. What is their speculation based on? Basic hear say. yet, you believe their speculation, and call me making things up.

I'll offer some further speculation not previously provided to this board. Based on fact, brohm has added transfers and jucos. With the early and late signing periods, I'm going to speculate brohm will sign jucos, transfers and high school players in the late signing period based on how many current players are ruled ineligible. We're currently 5 over. if we have 10 players flunk out, Brohm will have 5 scholarships to be able to use for late signees or jucos or transfers. But his current early signing recruits have a limit. to add an early recruit, Brohm will subtract an early recruit.

I don't consider that pulling stuff out of my ass. You can disagree with me all you want. But there are facts that my speculation is built on. look at the tweets of Kyle, Craft and Parks. They didn't want to de-commit. they de-committed to make room for somebody else. And I'm going to speculate you will see several other players de-commit to make room for several future additions. If Israel had committed, you would see a Db recruit leave. My speculations are usually very obvious and logical.

But as I've said. the majority of my posts are purely speculation, and I don't have inside sources. I also speculated Purdue would go 6-6 in football this year in the preseason prediction thread. I speculated they would probably go to the pinstripe, or Foster farms bowl. I speculated the y would not be paired against Louisville. I speculated that the BIG 10 would decide what team would go to the holiday bowl and not the holiday bowl. the holiday bow l could request, and the BIG 10 had ultimate approval authority. And all that was also total speculation! and a lot of people have disagreed with my posts and opinions. . you can believe my speculative posts or not. but you can take the dissing and personal attacks elsewhere.

You wear me out.
 
I like the fact the bowl game is between the two signing periods. Brohm will know by the bowl game who will be an academic casualty. And he can use those attritions to go after late signees, jucos or grad transfers.

In actuality, brohm will probably know his academic casualties before both the early signing period and the bowl game. when will grades be posted? this Friday? next week? I would imagine the athletic office probably would be notified quicker than the student.

we'll know more Monday !
 
Can we start calling this "Brohming".

Only if they're on scholarship.

I think I've said it before, but there should be no issue with a coach pulling a scholarship. Players lose passion (burn out), they have career-ending injuries, and, simply put, they get passed by.

That's significantly different than Crean's practice of running off scholarship players on the roster, and on campus, simply because he thought he could 'upgrade' with a new recruit.
 
Gene Keady

Gene Keady did the same thing every April/May.....but it was necessary given the thin margin for error in recruiting at that time

Gene Keady did what? Crean players?

I'd be interested in that list. I recall players who went through a discipline process and were encouraged to find somewhere else to play, but I don't recall him pushing less-talented players out of the program. In fact, it was quite the opposite: He took less-talented players and made them All-B10!
 
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Gene Keady did what? Crean players?

I'd be interested in that list. I recall players who went through a discipline process and were encouraged to find somewhere else to play, but I don't recall him pushing less-talented players out of the program. In fact, it was quite the opposite: He took less-talented players and made them All-B10!

Who did he do this with?
 
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I suppose we could argue over what constitutes "encouragement" to look elsewhere versus "see that door-don't let it hit your ass on the way out" but I can remember Mel Buckley leaving in 2003 and trashing Keady in the papers. I do know that Dave Stack in mid 80;s who was an All-State HS player in IL was encouraged to leave, Demetrious Kilgore from S Bend in 2002, Mosi Barnes in late 90's and..... of course Ritchie Mount left following an ugly episode between Keady & Rick Mount-at least that was the gossip.

Just saying all teams cleaned out dead weight in the past------PU was no different-then..........

No, you're saying more than that.

There's no question every team has personnel issues. That's not what 'Creaning' was.

By your own admission, "Dave Stack ... was an All-State HS player in IL." Keady didn't clear out him (or those others) to make room for better talent. THAT is the efinition of Creaning.

Your attempt to tarnish Keady with Tom Crean's sleazy practice doesn't wash.
 
Who did he do this with?

For starters, in 1984 he had Rowinski, a walk-on, make first team all B10 and Ricky Hall, B10 Defensive POY. Hall was not highly recruited.

Keady was long recognized as being able to take kids who weren't highly talented and turning them into top performers in the B10.

I assumed that to be common knowledge, but I forget there are people on this forum that aren't as aware of the history and tradition of this great program!
 
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For starters, in 1984 he had Rowinski, a walk-on, make first team all B10 and Ricky Hall, B10 Defensive POY. Hall was not highly recruited.

Keady was long recognized as being able to take kids who weren't highly talented and turning them into top performers in the B10.

I assumed that to be common knowledge, but I forget there are people on this forum that aren't as aware of the history and tradition of this great program!

That’s one.

A lot of people misremember how talented his players were. Cardinal is always mentioned. People forget he was a top 100 recruit.
 
Hey man!

You are the one that introduced basketball into the discussion

Don't take an attitude if not everyone who
graduated from PU deifies Keady like you do..... I have met him( played golf at Coyote Crossing in 4-ball golf tourney) and agree he is a generous & great man- ....most.... but not all of his former players say the same.

But don't kid yourself...He routinely ran off guys from 1981 to1990's. So did Jud, Bobby and Digger. Wise up dufess....

Dude . . . chill!

What a moronic statement! I . . . "deify" Keady. You're unhinged.

I don't care if you used to wash his car.

When you make baseless accusations, you're going to be called on it. Don't like it? Tough crap!
 
That’s one.

A lot of people misremember how talented his players were. Cardinal is always mentioned. People forget he was a top 100 recruit.

Actually, that's two, and I rested my case.

How many do you need? He made some great players out of marginal talent, and went on to win conference titles with them. You can argue that if you want, but he was widely recognized across the league for that very thing.
 
Hey man!

You are the one that introduced basketball into the discussion

Don't take an attitude if not everyone who
graduated from PU deifies Keady like you do..... I have met him( played golf at Coyote Crossing in 4-ball golf tourney) and agree he is a generous & great man- ....most.... but not all of his former players say the same.

But don't kid yourself...He routinely ran off guys from 1981 to1990's. So did Jud, Bobby and Digger. Wise up dufuss....

Oh, and going back through the thread, you're the one who introduced Keady into the discussion.

Another poster tried to take "Creaning" and apply it to what Brohm is doing with his recruiting class. It's not the same. Crean's players were jettisoned in the hopes of landing players with more talent. They weren't disciplinary problems, they weren't causing issues with team chemistry, he simply wanted to get rid of them to try to improve his talent base, instead of developing what he brought in.

I defy you to show me examples of that from Keady's classes.

You also mentioned Jud, Bobby and Digger. Well, where's the evidence?
 
Actually, that's two, and I rested my case.

How many do you need? He made some great players out of marginal talent, and went on to win conference titles with them. You can argue that if you want, but he was widely recognized across the league for that very thing.

A top 100 recruit should be all big ten. That’s not an unheralded player that is not a less talented player Keady turned into all big ten.

You are bad at this
 
A top 100 recruit should be all big ten. That’s not an unheralded player that is not a less talented player Keady turned into all big ten.

You are bad at this

You won't admit I was right. He had that reputation, and he did that with players. You don't win a debate by avoiding the truth, and trying to claim the other person is bad at it. It simply highlights the weakness of your position.
 
A top 100 recruit should be all big ten. That’s not an unheralded player that is not a less talented player Keady turned into all big ten.

You are bad at this

We can believe you, or other B10 players, coaches, athletes, etc.

For example . . . from Jess Settles:

Coach Keady could take five guys off the streets of Lafayette and compete for the Big Ten title.' Aside from schoolboy stars Russell Cross, Troy Lewis, and Glenn Robinson, Keady's teams were made up primarily of solid, fundamentally sound players that were talented all—city and all—state performers to be sure, but never marked for stardom the way recruits are at Duke, Kansas, or Kentucky.

I'm assuming you know who Jess Settles is.
 
We can believe you, or other B10 players, coaches, athletes, etc.

For example . . . from Jess Settles:

Coach Keady could take five guys off the streets of Lafayette and compete for the Big Ten title.' Aside from schoolboy stars Russell Cross, Troy Lewis, and Glenn Robinson, Keady's teams were made up primarily of solid, fundamentally sound players that were talented all—city and all—state performers to be sure, but never marked for stardom the way recruits
are at Duke, Kansas, or Kentucky.


I'm assuming you know who Jess Settles is.
I believe that. You said all big ten
 
I suppose we could argue over what constitutes "encouragement" to look elsewhere versus "see that door-don't let it hit your ass on the way out" but I can remember Mel Buckley leaving in 2003 and trashing Keady in the papers. I do know that Dave Stack in mid 80;s who was an All-State HS player in IL was encouraged to leave, Demetrious Kilgore from S Bend in 2002, Mosi Barnes in late 90's and..... of course Ritchie Mount left following an ugly episode between Keady & Rick Mount-at least that was the gossip.

Just saying all teams cleaned out dead weight in the past------PU was no different-then..........


Mel Buckley you say?


 
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