Best response yet to this controversial issue. Proud to identify with this Purdue grad. You can find the link under "NFL Boilers."
Drew Brees: To Kneel or not to Kneel
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My thoughts on others kneeling are much like my thoughts on abortion. It's not my decision to make. And it's not my right to judge others.
I don't care if they do or don't, I'm just not watching anymore because I am sick of politics everywhere. When things become politically, I'm turning it off and pro sports have become way to political with every athlete having an opinion and some are derogatory to any who don't support their views.
Now we have people who barely got a high school diploma calling people uneducated. I'm done with pro sports.
Not Fair...those degrees from football factories from the "U" and "O$U" are better than high school degrees.
Just piling on.
Not Fair...those degrees from football factories from the "U" and "O$U" are better than high school degrees.
My comment was about LeBron James and his latest comments
You bring up a good point that many people are finally understanding. Wealth does not equate intelligence and many young people simply view being wealthy as a marker to having an ability to make decisions for others. That dippy 'cash me outside' girl is wealthier than I am and she'll probably never get a GED or a high school diploma...and there are young people looking up to her as inspiration.
sorry, but can't let this one by...couldn't disagree more. These two situations are completely UNCOMPARABLE. In one, people get their patriotic feelings hurt, in the other someone dies. I DO agree with you that kneeling is a personal decision - and not one anyone (including our President) should be pressuring individuals against.
Nothing good comes from kneeling during the national anthem. Literally nothing. It fuels the disrespect for authority and criminal behavior that causes the problem. Cops aren't randomly killing black people. That's just the deceitful liberal narrative that keeps people from reaching their potential. Resisting arrest is a crime. Every video I've seen of a black criminal who was killed had him screaming at cops, fighting with cops, pulling out a gun, and the latest one he was ramming his car into a cop car.
There used to real men, real conservative white men like Walt Disney and John Wooden that stood up and guided people. "You shouldn't have an abortion because you'll always regret it. You shouldn't fight with authority or commit crimes because sooner or later you'll get what's coming to you."
There used to real men, real conservative white men like Walt Disney and John Wooden that stood up and guided people. "You shouldn't have an abortion because you'll always regret it. You shouldn't fight with authority or commit crimes because sooner or later you'll get what's coming to you."
The people that are kneeling made a judgment already!!! Choosing to respect the flag, and determining not to use it as a protest object is a judgment. I will not be a slave to political correctness. Otherwise, I agree that politics should be left out of sports.
To give you a real life stat, a black man is 2-4 times more likely to be shot by police than a white man. Not starting an argument but that is the truth reported by two different sources that have begun to track just that issue. Police may not be 'randomly' killing black men, but they sure are profiling and killing them with higher frequency.
The most shockingly tone deaf statement that I may have ever seen on these boards is
"There used to real men, real conservative white men like Walt Disney and John Wooden that stood up and guided people", particularly in the context of the remainder of the post.
"There used to real men, real conservative white men like Walt Disney and John Wooden that stood up and guided people", particularly in the context of the remainder of the post.
To give you a real life stat that I posted a link to in the other kneeling topic, a black man is like 200-400 times more likely to commit a violent crime than a white man. Makes your stat seem kinda low, huh?
As a conservative, white male....PLEASE stop using selective statistics to prove that you are completely ignorant on racial issues. You are taking an incredibly complex issue and trying to dummy it down to one variable....please stop
He used a selective statistic first. Why did you single me out? I'd hate to think a conservative white male was sexist. I never said you guys are flawless. I'm just addressing the current hot topic.
I can not support what is going on by kneeling players that are in a racist league. The NFL does not practice diversity nor affirmative action. Item: Few or no Asian/Oriental, Hispanic or transgendered players. Bigotry!
I certainly am not a conservative, but I applaud your comments and am delighted to candidly feel for probably the first time in a long time that there may be hope for dialogue in our country. Kudos.
Did you just really play the "he did it first" card? Come on, be better that... you are addressing an issue you clearly do not understand, or are choosing to be ignorant on - go spend a day in the life of a 22 year old black guy who grew up in lower middle class to poor America and then come back and share your thoughts...
Agree -I think we've got a shot if we would try to see the other sides POV - we may not always agree, but we can at least appreciate ---if we actually listen.
Why don't you go spend a day in the life of a 12 year old boy in Afghanistan and see if terrorism doesn't sound appealing. Oh, you don't mind when American officers shoot them? The passive aggressive nature of you white boys who refuse to directly address the issue is getting on my nerves.
Disagree on president...agree on abortion. I suspect he would have an opinion on child abuse, pet abuse, bullying and a whole host of things that are more palatable in society
You need a lot more data than that to draw that conclusion. The sex gap in wages has been shown to be false. I suspect many shot by police ...white and black might be under the influence and are poor. Be careful about lumping in many sources of variation into a model recognizing a single main effect in the model and confounding the ability to identify the magnitude of each source of variation. When you use multiple regression and consider one variables ability to predict another variable... The model becomes pretty weak in many cases. My best guess without studying this is that it is very close to the wage gap hoax between sexes.
Thank you. I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw that post as remarkably ignorant and cringeworthy
I will agree with you on this point. Life in Afghanistan is rough. Life in a lot of countries is rough. I wouldn't want to be a woman and live in the Middle East. I wouldn't want to be a man and live their either. or be a child and live in 95% of Africa with all their war lords. I definitely wouldn't want to live in North Korea. I wouldn't want to live in Cuba, Panama, Mexico or Venezuela. I don't think I'd be happy living in Israel either . China's to o polluted for me. and India is too crowded and I hate Thai food.
in the military , I turned down the opportunity to live in South Korea, Turkey, Iraq, Afghanistan, Panama, Guam, Japan, and the Azores. I also turned do the opportunity to live in Fargo, ND, Washington DC, Minot, El Paso and I wasn't thrilled to live in Biloxi twice or Montgomery, AL. And upon retirement , I turned down a chance to work in Saudi Arabia.
Those places have horrible living conditions, and their people are treated so brutally wrong. And those places have a lot of other problems besides just terrorism and corrupt governments. in the 80's and 90's we found a lot of our relief aid that we sent went straight to the governments who sold it rather than taking care of their people. The problem is, the U.S. created a lot of the problems we are now trying to combat and curtail. A lot of your Caribbean drug cartel was funded by our CIA. At one time we backed the Shaw of Iran. We also supported Iraq and Libya. We trained ISIS. We've supported a lot of corrupt governments around the world. We have active military bases inside both Cuba and China.
But we also have issues and problems in the US as well. My question is what should take precedence? What should be our priority? Using our military to fix the world's problems and ridding the world of terrorism and unjust governments? or fixing our own problems in our own cities? . After WW2 we agreed to protect the world. but now, we're finding our resources are becoming limited. I support our police, but some have made some terrible and stupid decisions. Not all police are stupid or corrupt.
We have X amount of money. we have X amount of military and police forces. and we have Y amount of terrorists and other issues. And we have Z amount of problems that are requesting our help. What issue do we tackle first? I don't know.
I will kind of disagree with you on Walt Disney. he was very liberal. look at his movies. His themes from the very beginning were very liberal. look at his movies. Love one another is the main theme. Look at Disney World and Epcot. it as a very global concept, not an isolationist one. What's the second most famous ride at Disney World? it's a Small World. Look at Epcot's global village. Walt was a great businessman. but he sought peace for our world.
I hate to see sporting events become political. But I have no problem with athletes expressing their opinions. I would prefer they did so on their own time, not while on the job. .
a radio sport announcer made an interesting point last week. I don't have the stats, but I'm sure you can find them somewhere. I was kind of shocked. he said the FBI released stats that revealed over 90% of all Black deaths were caused by other Blacks. I could sort of agree with that. He then went on to say that over 85% of White deaths were caused by Whites. this kind of surprised me. he said the FBI attributed the deaths to be the result of people you know and associate with and hang out with. A lot of white husbands kill white wives and vice versa. Relatives and neighbors kill each other. Workers kill their bosses. and the data was the same for other violent crimes.
His FBI data indicated that yes, there is a lot of crime and murders in the USA. but that the amount of racially oriented crime and crimes and deaths created by the opposite race was actually a lot lower than the media would have you believe. and that the media just plays it up and people believe it.
and this announcer wasn't conservative or liberal. he was trying to make the point that unique events happen, and the media portrays them as everyday events. and the media has their own agenda - good and bad.
look at this board. I get into an argument with 1-3 posters, and became labeled as argumentative. However, if you read all of my 2,000 posts, I'm often agreeing with those same 3 posters I argue with.
His FBI data indicated that yes, there is a lot of crime and murders in the USA. but that the amount of racially oriented crime and crimes and deaths created by the opposite race was actually a lot lower than the media would have you believe. and that the media just plays it up and people believe it.
and this announcer wasn't conservative or liberal. he was trying to make the point that unique events happen, and the media portrays them as everyday events. and the media has their own agenda - good and bad.
look at this board. I get into an argument with 1-3 posters, and became labeled as argumentative. However, if you read all of my 2,000 posts, I'm often agreeing with those same 3 posters I argue with.
Interesting stats, Wolegib. I know a white high school boy that was killed by a black man. The white body and his friend were buying some drugs and tried to trick the black dealer by putting paper underneath real bills in a stack. As they were leaving the drug dealer shot and killed him. You can make your own decision if murder is justifiable in that situation. I think black and white, liberal and conservative will come up with different answers.
The police problem for blacks in America is because of rap culture. Everything points to that. Professional athletes like Maurice Clarett and Jon Jones are found with multiple automatic weapons well after they've had a chance at wealth and fame it shows there's no escaping rap brainwashing. Then there's that black football player who had the famous quote "I'm a f******* soldier" after he injured the player on the other team. The black Indiana Pacers players who went up into the stands and fought with the crowd. The black Bengals player who broke that girl's jar in a restaurant.
As long as the "Money, Power, Respect" culture that Lil Kim rapped about persists there will never be peace on the streets unless police have bigger guns.
The police problem for blacks in America is because of rap culture. Everything points to that. Professional athletes like Maurice Clarett and Jon Jones are found with multiple automatic weapons well after they've had a chance at wealth and fame it shows there's no escaping rap brainwashing. Then there's that black football player who had the famous quote "I'm a f******* soldier" after he injured the player on the other team. The black Indiana Pacers players who went up into the stands and fought with the crowd. The black Bengals player who broke that girl's jar in a restaurant.
As long as the "Money, Power, Respect" culture that Lil Kim rapped about persists there will never be peace on the streets unless police have bigger guns.
In my haste I know I didn’t do justice in explaining the need for more information. This is rather complex and explaining why more information is needed is not easy. I don’t know the situation as I have not reviewed any data to have an intelligent opinion. That said, let me try to shoot from the hip some thoughts. Let’s assume that in the USA there were 1000 people shot AND killed (shootings without killing are not counted...even though in real life they might be…and that distinction “may” be important, but I’m simplifying here for understanding). Someone looks at the data by race and concludes that the 750 whites killed was three times the number of blacks killed (250) and says this is not right. They must be targeting whites. Another person, not believing that data accurately portraying the intended message digs deeper into the data and concludes that only 17% of the population is black and since 25% of those killed are black a disproportionate number of the results shows that blacks are targeted. I mean we have almost 50% more deaths of blacks than whites per population percent…something is amiss!
Another guy not believing that blacks are targeted comes along and digs deeper yet into the data for the SAME 1000 deaths and concludes that 950 of the deaths were to people making less than $35,000. Can you see where this is going? WE now have another “break point” or category to evaluate…and this one is more significant than race…again just showing how this works. Yet another person doesn’t think it is solely race or income, but geography and looks at the same 1000 deaths and concludes that urban communities (any town with a population of greater than 200K perhaps) resulted in 975 deaths where the rural deaths by shooting were only 25 and is by far the greatest relationship with shooting deaths by the police. As people consider more variables in the model a more precise evaluation of the significance erupts. You would like a good model (the variables studied accounting for a very high percent of the variation in shooting deaths) although in “studies of society ” many times the models are pretty weak…meaning there are a lot of variables either (A) not accounted or (B) accounted but “irrelevant” in consideration of the model. IN other words the calculated F-score and associated chance due to probability may be great, but within the model in only accounts for 10% of the study as an example. My attempt was to leave the math out and just give an example of how things work. Far too many times people think data says one thing and it doesn’t. Again, I’m ignorant having not studied the shootings, but not totally ignorant in how data works…
Essentially, each category has a standard deviation and that variation squared and multiplied by its respective degrees of freedom give a sum of squares for that category and then the mean square of each category is divided by the error mean square of the error term (total sum of squares using all data) to calculate the F Score of probability of occurrence. In the above example each variable would have 1 df (2 choices-black or white resulting in 2-1) and 999 DFs in the error term if only race was considered and 997 if race (2-1), income (2-1) and city size (2-1) were considered (1000-1=997 for total DFs and 1 DF for each variable…race, income and city size. Understanding things like this allows for a different view than just reading something and many accomplished, knowledgeable people don't have the background into analysis of information needed all the time.
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In my haste I know I didn’t do justice in explaining the need for more information. This is rather complex and explaining why more information is needed is not easy. I don’t know the situation as I have not reviewed any data to have an intelligent opinion. That said, let me try to shoot from the hip some thoughts. Let’s assume that in the USA there were 1000 people shot AND killed (shootings without killing are not counted...even though in real life they might be…and that distinction “may” be important, but I’m simplifying here for understanding). Someone looks at the data by race and concludes that the 750 whites killed was three times the number of blacks killed (250) and says this is not right. They must be targeting whites. Another person, not believing that data accurately portraying the intended message digs deeper into the data and concludes that only 17% of the population is black and since 25% of those killed are black a disproportionate number of the results shows that blacks are targeted. I mean we have almost 50% more deaths of blacks than whites…something is amiss!
Another guy not believing that blacks are targeted comes along and digs deeper yet into the data for the SAME 1000 deaths and concludes that 950 of the deaths were to people making less than $35,000. Can you see where this is going? WE now have another “break point” or category to evaluate…and this one is more significant than race…again just showing how this works. Yet another person doesn’t think it is solely race or income, but geography and looks at the same 1000 deaths and concludes that urban communities (any town with a population of greater than 200K perhaps) resulted in 975 deaths where the rural deaths by shooting were only 25 and is by far the greatest relationship with shooting deaths by the police. As people consider more variables in the model a more precise evaluation of the significance erupts. You would like a good model (the variables studied accounting for a very high percent of the variation in shooting deaths) although in “studies of society ” many times the models are pretty weak…meaning there are a lot of variables either (A) not accounted or (B) accounted but “irrelevant” in consideration of the model. IN other words the calculated F-score and associated chance due to probability may be great, but within the model in only accounts for 10% of the study as an example. My attempt was to leave the math out and just give an example of how things work. Far too many times people think data says one thing and it doesn’t. Again, I’m ignorant having not studied the shootings, but not totally ignorant in how data works…
I was told there would be no math and this is all the result of rap music.
I know..I left it out and then threw some in at the last...sorryI was told there would be no math and this is all the result of rap music.
Funny how rap and hip hop culture is one of the most appropriated things in the U.S. by young people of other ethnic backgrounds yet you don't see them with any of the same issues.
It is the power of conservative white males like Walt Disney.
Your picture is a ruthless movie villain? If you're actually him that's really impressive. If not it gives us all a good impression of your character before you even say a word.
To white people rap music is fun. You can dance to it. To black kids it's a lifestyle. There are no country songs that say "F*** the police" and no pop songs that say "F*** the police". But there is a rap song by NWA called "F*** the police." I'm sure ruthless liberal villains enjoy watching all the happy endings that destroys.
I bought my first house in 2006, right in the middle of the housing scams, and I got wrapped up in a few. The inspector (that the realtor knew and recommended) never showed up and the realtor didn't notify me until closing day. House never got inspected. I was misled about the required down payment by the banker and ended up paying PMI despite having the required 20%. They told me the property tax exemption would be filed for me which was a lie. That cost me about $1200 before I could get it fixed. Luckily this was a starter home so i just buckled down and payed off the mortgage in 3 years. Has this been a $250k home, i probably would have lost it over the taxes and pmi issues.
Both the banker and realtor were Jewish and were good friends. I don't hold any other Jewish person responsible for what happened. I didn't buy a Nazi flag, or march in the streets, or rant about the awful Jewish culture of greed and corruption on social media. That's because just because those two men were pieces of crap, it means nothing about anyone else. It's the same with your white and black drug deal. You hold an entire portion of the population responsible for the actions of one person. No other black person asked for that drug dealer to represent them. Your ignorant, racist tirades are utterly repulsive. It is so damn depressing to think that my kids are going to have to deal with your ignorant offspring. I really wish you would take Boiler out of your name because it is a poor representation if the university, especially with the Nazi fliers that keep showing up on campus. Please just stop. You are adding nothing of value to this conversation and you are misrepresenting the other conservative posters in the process by being "on their side".
There are plenty of country songs about excessive drinking and treating women like property. In many rural areas, alcoholism and domestic violence are huge problems. Does that mean country music is to blame? Please just stop, this is awful.
I'm trying to save kids and women who have to deal with the after effects of rap culture. You are trying to get a free ticket to Hell by saying as many hateful things to me as possible. I've said nothing untrue. A black man shot a white kid in the back over a few dollars. Black males are 200-400 times more likely to commit a violent crime than a white male. Black athletes have consistently shown extremely violent tendencies. I've never once said those behaviors are inherent to their race. I've said they're a product of rap culture. It need some to be changed for the sake of women and kids.
Gang violence, which is the reason most violent crime exists, was there long before the popularization of rap music. If anything rap music is a cultural representation of a problem that already existed. But hey I tell ya, that rap music of those Irish gangs back in the day, nothing but trouble....
Here is a thought. Many times we deal with averages and consider the variation about the average to draw conclusions. We truly can divide things be demographics that represent whatever is being studied. There is value in that as it does portray a view. However, the duck hunter example must be remembered. A duck takes off and the hunter shoots three feet in front of the duck and quickly shoots again three feet behind. Now on the average the duck was hit, but we all know that duck flew off. Averages in consideration with the variation are VERY important, but they don't always tell the story of an individual situation.
White men. who listen to country music. Beat the living crap out of women at a much higher rate. It has nothing to do with rap music. You are just a bitter old racist who wants to spread hate to the masses. The internet has been a Godsend for people like you.
Heck, the Jets and Sharks danced to broadway show tunes and 4 or 5 people died.
Also Italian immigrants especially the Sicilians were HUGE rap fans.
