Doyel nailed it

[Redhotfill]

Perhaps Doyle's mocking and humiliating article will be the straw that breaks the camel's back in West Lafayette.

This http://www.indystar.com/story/sport...ell-purdue-football-have-care-first/91431956/

I don't think that either CDH, the BOT, or administration have any comprehension of what SHAME IS! Reason why CDH will never work again at this level NO SHAME, out of touch, delusional. Maybe they will fire him after the election? Pence probably doesn't want to have any way the firing of an incompetent but BLACK coach and the HIGHEST paid state employee in INDIANA linked to him during the election. If Hazell looked like HOPE he would have already been gone.

 

[FLAG HUNTER]

The article is basically what alot of us have been saying the last few years. Someone else writes about it and it's like "Damn he is right" , being the worst 3 years in Purdue football history isn't that hard to see. I guess maybe his point was no one is doing anything about it, which is true,​

Not going to read it. He has no more insight on Purdue than any random person. We have been very bad under Hazell to date. A 5 year old can tell you that. To claim that they don't care is lazy journalism imo. Anyone associated with the athletic department would rather be good than bad. The unfortunate reality is that they can do nothing right now to move towards that.

One more point here for those that just want to show Hazell the door as soon as possible. What if the right coach for Purdue isn't out there this off season and we end up with an unproven coach who can't win at Purdue? We will be signing up for another 4-5 years of the same.

I agree with all but the last part, can Purdue be any worse under another coach?

 

[BoilerBonz]

It's public knowledge, was in the J&C a few years ago. Really bad under Cordova, she used it to build some student life center on campus that has little to do with athletics.

Daniels has reduced it quite a bit since he took over, but the damage was done.

In addition to siphoning $12M out of the Athletic Department for the "Center for Student Excellence and Leadership," Cordova raised the University's internal overhead allocation (to support central admin functions) on the Athletic Department from $0.6M under Jiscke to over $4M per year. She did this by changing the formula used to allocate departmental overhead to include the square footage of outdoor facilities (i.e., the golf courses were factored in!). Last year, Burke, to his credit, convinced Daniels and the BOT to lower the Athletic Department's overhead allocation to $2M. At the time, there were several articles about how a $2M allocation put Purdue about in the middle pack of the BiG in terms of such allocations. This overhead is in addition to what the PU Athletic Department already pays in direct costs for everything related to its facilities (as it should) as well additional to support the band, PU PD on game days, you name it. Then there's the nonsense of being a "self-supporting" Athletic Department. This is an overblown way of saying that the profits from PU football and men's basketball first go to cover the expenses of non-revenue sports before a dime is reinvested in the revenue sports! The only other D1 program in the country supporting their non-revenues entirely out of football and men's basketball are those with an embarrassment of riches, like OSU. Then combine all this with the fact that 20 years ago the BOT mandated that the AD emphasize success in non-revenue sports on equal footing with the revenue sports.

Bottom line: our BOT has been great at siphoning $$$ out the back door of the Athletic Department while giving the AD impossible unfunded mandates and letting Development stand at the front door crying poor to the JPC.

This is all relevant now because no up-and-coming football coach worth his salt is going to come into this mess. So hopefully Daniels and Bergoff are committed to a new course, and MB2 is their instrument of change; otherwise, nothing has been learned and nothing will change, no matter the coach.

 

[bonefish1]

It's public knowledge, was in the J&C a few years ago. Really bad under Cordova, she used it to build some student life center on campus that has little to do with athletics.

Daniels has reduced it quite a bit since he took over, but the damage was done.

I don't remember that. I think there would have been a major uproar if that were the case.
Anyone have this article?

 

[bonefish1]

Ever since the Big Ten Network became profitable I believe the university has been taking millions each year. I think it was Cordova who set it up to fund pet projects that probably otherwise would never have been funded. Here's an article about the CSEL that describes one of the commitments covered.

http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/general/2012/120427CordovaCSEL.html

"The gift, from an anonymous donor, will be used as a one-to-one match to generate a total of $20 million to construct and support the $30 million Center for Student Excellence and Leadership. This match also will provide an incentive to invest an additional $8 million in deferred gifts toward an endowment to support the facility's long-term maintenance and operating costs.

Purdue Intercollegiate Athletics also is a key partner in this project, contributing $12 million over six years through Big Ten Network revenue toward the facility's total cost. Athletics director Morgan Burke said the new center would be an asset in recruiting students and student-athletes to Purdue because it will be a key element in the campus area dedicated to student life."

I believe I have read quotes since Mitch Daniels became president that once these commitments are fulfilled,the athletic department will get to keep all of this but that was before these new TV contracts were finalized. Since that I remember reading rumblings about wanting to make some sort of agreement with other Big Ten schools that some of these revenues would start being used on the academic side. We'll see.

Incidentally, this is why I have always had an issue with the Nancy Cross email during the Painter/Missouri fiasco that essentially called out JPC members for being cheap and not donating enough for them to afford all the things fans wanted them to do. Meanwhile, they were shipping out millions of revenue to fund these sorts of projects (probably through no fault of Burke's to be honest) while the schools they were competing with were bringing in student fees to support athletics in many instances. They were fine to ask more and more of fans to try to make up that revenue gap with competing schools but until Painter took them to task, they never had to go back to the university and negotiate with them to start being able to keep more of the money that the athletic department earned to begin with.

Good catch and thanks for posting. I don't remember reading this. If I had, I would have fired off a really nasty email to include all those involved (not that it would change anything but it would have made me feel better).

The University has a BILLION +$ endowment fund, WHY THE F**K WOULD THEY BE TAKING THE MONEY FROM THE ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT!!
Burke apparently didn't have the balls to stand up to Cordova and explain how big time college athletic departments work.

 

[BoilerBonz]

I don't remember that. I think there would have been a major uproar if that were the case.
Anyone have this article?

You obviously haven't been paying attention to much beyond the scoreboard, like most PU fans, which is why there was no "major uproar" at the time. Most PU fans just chant "fire the coach" and don't even consider holding those at the top accountable.

 

[BoilerBiker]

I agree with all but the last part, can Purdue be any worse under another coach?

We can't be any worse record wise, score differential wise.

Only thing worse would be to hire someone who gets us put on some type of probation, sanctions

 

[TC4THREE]

I agree with all but the last part, can Purdue be any worse under another coach?

Maybe not but if all we're aiming for is better than this then I think we're missing the point entirely.

The correct time to move on from Hope was NOT just when everyone decided he wasn't the long-term solution. The time was when we were able to land a qualified and competent replacement.

Now everyone wants to move on from Hazell. Fine. At least learn a lesson from the last time so we don't spend the next 5 years with some coach that can't get Purdue where we want to go. I'd much rather spend one more year with Hazell than the next 4 with someone only marginally better than him.

 

[TC4THREE]

Burke apparently didn't have the balls to stand up to Cordova and explain how big time college athletic departments work.

Ultimately it's about the board and what they will allow to happen. I guarantee that Burke wasn't happy about this but there probably wasn't much he could do other than complain and put his job in jeopardy. I feel it was incumbent upon us fans to do something. I literally cringed when many fans started upping their JPC donations in response to our athletic department "finding" the funds to keep Painter from going to Missouri. It's not that I didn't want us to keep him. You know I like him as our coach. It's that we didn't need to be rewarding the athletic department for that. We should have doubled down then and demanded that those BTN revenues stayed within the athletic department, or at least got assurances that no more would be taken, before any of us gave another dime. That's how things get done. Money talks. I can assure you if JPC donations leveled off or declined signficantly, they would start listening to what the fans were saying. As long as people are sheep and just give without asking the questions, we should all expect more of the same.

FWIW, I'm not even sure that I'm in disagreement with the university taking some of the funds. What I did find distasteful is the shifting around of the money and then blaming the fans (which the Nancy Cross email did) when they came up short. If some random donor at that time had wanted to give an extra 50k a year to support athletics there was absolutely nothing from stopping them from just deducting 50k more from the BTN revenues and diverting it to whatever projects they wanted done that had nothing to do with athletics. Just my opinion but I find that deceitful. If someone wants to up their JPC donations, that should ensure that the athletic department funds go up. Otherwise, tell people exactly what's happening so they can know that their increased donation is just a shifty way to fund a random building on campus so that people know what's going on with their money. If Cordova wanted more money for a CSEL building, approach people for donations towards that building and not under the guise of supporting athletics.

 

[pu1985]

And for this they named a building after her.
Ugh.

 

[BoilerBulldog]

Actually the latest figures that I posted several months ago showed the annual amount was under a million as of around 2 years ago. I think the $2MM referenced above was combined over multiple years.

Bottom line, I consider the issue with Cordova to be resolved. We are talking about a pretty small amount of money in the big picture now and it is not a roadblock to our success. I believe it covers primarily facility fees and university labor for sporting events and upkeep. It's nothing more than an accounting transaction to cover costs the university incurs to support athletic events.

Again, nothing to see here IMO. Daniels fixed it.

 

[indianphil]

This mess we call the Purdue Athletic Department didn"t happen overnight and has it's origins 50 years ago. Beering and Cordova could have cared less about Purdue Athletics and the their BOTs reflected their views.

FWIW, if you are cognizant with Purdue's History, even George Ade was bitching about it in the late 20s.

Since Burghoff and Daniels endorsed Hazell, where have they gone...up in smoke?

Frankly, the Purdue BOT really doesn't give a rip about Purdue Athletics and it just isnt Football. If I can draw lines between the dots so can they. When football prospers, it feeds the whole Athletic Department. All those nonrevenue sports that Burke was into. When Purdue football is flat, the whole Athletic Department fails. They cant root for the beginning of basketball every year to divert out attention from the dumpster fire call Purdue Football.

Like it or not, the whole thing has reached crisis proportions...really...the school is full and thousands want in so why get concerned about football? Who really cares if we put a football team out there who draws flies instead of reporters like Doyle? Sigma Chi is still drinking beer and Kappa and Theta are still rivals? Should we give a rip about athletics? Who cares?

Well, I care. The question is will I continue to care? How many others of my age (elder) will continue to care? It's awful hard to care if the patient doesnt care if he is sick or refuses to take the medicine. How many like me will close their wallets?

 

[TMA62]

Doyel in his sarcastic column, essentially stated the obvious: The Emperor has No Clothes. Everyone has know this for years but did not say it. This column was directed at Morgan Burke and the BOT's who have been responsible over the condition of Purdue athletics for the last 2 decades.

More articles from columnists will echo this as the season goes on. The pressure will mount and the university will be forced to respond.

 

[DG10]

I can assure you if JPC donations leveled off or declined significantly, they would start listening to what the fans were saying.

Except that happened...JPC donations and membership declined significantly...and nobody at all listened and nothing changed, as it was/is totally irrelevant due to the money from the BTN.

 

[TC4THREE]

Except that happened...JPC donations and membership declined significantly...and nobody at all listened and nothing changed, as it was/is totally irrelevant due to the money from the BTN.

If that is the case, I'd argue that the decline wasn't significant, at least in the eyes of Purdue. TV revenue is what pays most of the bills but they still want the contributions. The problems is that losing a few hundred people at the entry level ($200/year) doesn't make much of blip on the radar. It has to be a larger number of higher level donors for it to matter.

 

[BoilerBonz]

Actually the latest figures that I posted several months ago showed the annual amount was under a million as of around 2 years ago. I think the $2MM referenced above was combined over multiple years.

Bottom line, I consider the issue with Cordova to be resolved. We are talking about a pretty small amount of money in the big picture now and it is not a roadblock to our success. I believe it covers primarily facility fees and university labor for sporting events and upkeep. It's nothing more than an accounting transaction to cover costs the university incurs to support athletic events.

Again, nothing to see here IMO. Daniels fixed it.

Could you post or link your source. The figures announced last year were a temporary reduction to $2m per year, down from over $4M per year. And Burke is the one who argued to fix it -- Daniels just agreed. And this amount is not to cover university services provided on game days. That's billed separately. This $2M is the Athletic Department's share of the overhead allocation to support central administration.

 

[DG10]

If that is the case, I'd argue that the decline wasn't significant, at least in the eyes of Purdue. TV revenue is what pays most of the bills but they still want the contributions. The problems is that losing a few hundred people at the entry level ($200/year) doesn't make much of blip on the radar. It has to be a larger number of higher level donors for it to matter.

JPC no longer publicly makes the number of members known...as it dropped by almost half from a membership standpoint over a couple of years...they lost thousands of members, not a few hundred...what the total financial impact was is not available, nor would they share obviously, but in the end...it is a moot point, as it was a case of fans speaking as you suggested, and it was ignored entirely, all because the actual money from the JPC membership and donations is a blip on the radar...the only money that matters comes from the BTN.

 

[TMA62]

JPC no longer publicly makes the number of members known...as it dropped by almost half from a membership standpoint over a couple of years...they lost thousands of members, not a few hundred...what the total financial impact was is not available, nor would they share obviously, but in the end...it is a moot point, as it was a case of fans speaking as you suggested, and it was ignored entirely, all because the actual money from the JPC membership and donations is a blip on the radar...the only money that matters comes from the BTN.

I think that historically, Purdue administrations and BOT's have always had a cool relationship with intercollegiate athletics and the alumni/fans that support it. The introduction of the BTN and its new revenue stream created a significant turning point. Afterwards, Purdue just looked at the alumni/JPC members/fans and then aloofly said, "I don't care about what you think anymore."

 

[TC4THREE]

JPC no longer publicly makes the number of members known...as it dropped by almost half from a membership standpoint over a couple of years...they lost thousands of members, not a few hundred...what the total financial impact was is not available, nor would they share obviously, but in the end...it is a moot point, as it was a case of fans speaking as you suggested, and it was ignored entirely, all because the actual money from the JPC membership and donations is a blip on the radar...the only money that matters comes from the BTN.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

Contributions and ticket sales (ie football and basketball) still account for over 1/3 of overall revenues. As tv revenues climb that % has come down from over 50% to last year 36% but that's still pretty significant.

According to this, contributions were at a record high in 2015 so if JPC was down in membership #'s they must have made up for it with larger donations from those who joined/remained.

Ticket sales is what really jumps out at you. That number had been at 14-17 million every year between 2005 and 2014. In 2015 it dropped to under 10 million and I have to think 2016 might look worse (7 home games in both 2015 and 2016). That's millions of dollars a year of revenue left on the table. They aren't going to ignore that even if the tv revenue allows them to. They are spending every damn near every dime they bring in so you know there are things they would like to do if they had more money to do it.