Jones at the #3? That's a lineup I haven't thought of. I thought he would strictly be #1 or #2. He must be bigger than I thought he was.
Don't we need another Guard?
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Only 6'1" or 6'2" but is very strong and often guarded 4s in his career. May be a few inches short for a "3" but he would probably just guard the best perimeter player anyway.
There were 2 debates going on:
1) Should we be looking to upgrade the PG position through the portal? Some people don't think we need to and think Smith is as good as it gets.
2) Who are the available PGs who are available who would be an upgrade. (this question, or at least the options, changes over time as guys commit elsewhere).
Nobody has said Smith is the best we can get. Painter does however recruit only guys he feels will be a fit for his system and Smith at this point in his career not only fits but he has done a good job for a Frosh in handling the pg position. Painter is loyal and he isn’t going to risk losing Smith by adding a player who doesn’t fit his system.
That would leave Smith or loyer to guard the other teams #3. That doesn't seem likely but I could be over thinking it....
Most teams start 3 guards anyway. Gotta have more team quickness and often that means sacrificing some height.
A lot of teams start a shooter and a slasher at the 2 and 3. I would normally expect Loyer to guard the shooter and Jones to guard the slasher.
You guys could be right. I thought Colvin or Cam would be the #3 or at least I hoped one of them would be starting, but if Jones beats them out that's ok too.
Start at the 2 or 3...smith is too valuable at point...his +/- is extraordinary....
Thadoc1 is on the inside...you will never be on the inside...it's too bad for you...
Okay, now people think we're going to start a 6 foot 1 guy who shot 36.8% from the field last year and 28% from 3 while committing more turnovers than he had assists over the last 4 years. All of this earning him 3rd team all MVC honors. Has anyone seen the teams in the MVC now days?
You can't say this is the answer and at the same time say Painter shouldn't have tried to upgrade the guard position.
You can't say this is the answer and at the same time say Painter shouldn't have tried to upgrade the guard position.
Then that's probably a coaching flaw in Painter.
And I'll go back to David Jenkins Jr as the prime example. By all accounts, he was not a Painter 'system' (whatever that is) guy. He had been to 3 schools in 5 years, high volume shooter, not great defensively, etc, etc. He didn't fit what most would consider to be the Painter mold.
And again, if you're worried a player might leave because you recruited someone better, then that's a good thing.
Loyer is quick enough to play respectable defense and what bigger guards "abused" Smith?
Most freshman guards are rather poor defensively. I doubt you understand that, however.
Smith will end up on an All-B1G team this year and you will still cry.
I am not predicting that Jones will start, but just commenting on how that lineup would matchup. I tend to think that either Heide or Colvin will step up and grab the third starting guard position by mid-season. Even if he does start, Jones will also be Smith’s backup and they will play a limited number of minutes together.
And we have another spot open where he could have gone after another guard that we desperately needed for this upcoming season. Bad roster management imo.
"Name me a better pg in the portal than smith....we brought in jones who is pretty good....I just want to know where this mythical better pg is?...."
I guess I was interpreting this comment as Jones providing minutes at the PG spot?
So, he could start in front of Loyer?
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You were wrong about Smith in HS and you’ll be wrong about him in college also.
I like Smith. Already he said he exceeded expectations. But if there were an oppty to get a guy who was 6'3, athletic, could shoot and drive, I'd take him in a second. (So would everyone else).
If you're saying is a senior, big, physical, guard like Mulcahy is going to beat up a freshman PG like "his little brother" I would say "no shit, Sherlock".
So what is your point?
You asked which bigger guards abused Smith. I named one. You get upset.
Don't get mad if you don't like the answer.
Why don't you take your pick? Put up the NIL money to get the better player instead of whining and carping about who we have. Some of these guys look like cheap bargains for a high roller like you.
I already made my $1M anonymous donation to the collective.
I must be misremembering that game...mulcahey played 5 more minutes, got only 2 more points than smith, same amount of assists, and Purdue won the game....I'd say freshman smith was better that day...
You named the exact protype guard who is built to bully other guards and cry that it happened. Of course it would happen, that's what Mulcahy's job on the court is as an oversized PG. Do you get mad at water when it's wet?
This is the game I was referring to.
Mulchahy took over late in the 2nd half and just backed Smith down.
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Yeh....duh. Weird how I picked an example to support my argument. Are you an attorney?
Oh so you picked a game early in the year and not the rematch later in the year where smith got the better of him...maybe we should find a game a couple years ago to criticize Zach too...
Mulcahy was just in the portal. If he’s so amazing, why didn’t you buy him with your $1 million anonymous NIL donation ???
You picked an example with a specific guard in mind but said guards. If you would have just said Mulcahy "abused" him in his first matchup, that's an easy win.
But you said guards - are you an attorney?
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