Don't blame this loss on bad shooting !!

[vilehoopster]

All the people on this board who are trying to take the heat off of Painter are saying it's not Painter's fault we shot so poorly; it on post after post, stuff like "Painter didn't miss those free throws and easy inside shots."

First of all Purdue shot 8 for 19 from the 3-pt line; 24 points in only 19 shot. Michigan, who really, really depends on the 3-pt shot only shot 6 for 25, 6 for 25 !!!!. If Michigan shoots 24% from three and Purdue shoots over 40%, no way around it, Purdue should win by 20 points. How did that not happen?

On five less shots (five less possessions), Purdue scored six more points from the 3.

Overall all for the game, Purdue shot 46% and Michigan shot 42%. Don't blame this loss on shooting because, really, Michigan had a lot worse luck shooing the ball than Purdue did.

Yes, we lost some points in the random chance of missed free throws, gave away 4 or 5 points. But Michigan gave away 9 or 12 points in the random chance of missed 3 pt shots. If we look at average shooting games for both teams, this game never even gets to overtime.

Don't give me this crap about we lost this game because we shot poorly. Michigan shot worse than Purdue did and managed to win the game.

Sorry, the blame lies elsewhere.

 

[BoiledSteel]

Don't give me this crap about we lost this game because we shot poorly. Michigan shot worse than Purdue did and managed to win the game.

Sorry, the blame lies elsewhere.

No it doesn't. It lies entirely on shooting, missed free throws and turnovers. Period. You can try and spin it as much as you want and try and pin it on CMP, but the reality is that doesn't hold water.

It was the things I mentioned. Period.

 

[boilersrdue]

All the people on this board who are trying to take the heat off of Painter are saying it's not Painter's fault we shot so poorly; it on post after post, stuff like "Painter didn't miss those free throws and easy inside shots."



First of all Purdue shot 8 for 19 from the 3-pt line; 24 points in only 19 shot. Michigan, who really, really depends on the 3-pt shot only shot 6 for 25, 6 for 25 !!!!. If Michigan shoots 24% from three and Purdue shoots over 40%, no way around it, Purdue should win by 20 points. How did that not happen?

On five less shots (five less possessions), Purdue scored six more points from the 3.

Overall all for the game, Purdue shot 46% and Michigan shot 42%. Don't blame this loss on shooting because, really, Michigan had a lot worse luck shooing the ball than Purdue did.

Yes, we lost some points in the random chance of missed free throws, gave away 4 or 5 points. But Michigan gave away 9 or 12 points in the random chance of missed 3 pt shots. If we look at average shooting games for both teams, this game never even gets to overtime.

Don't give me this crap about we lost this game because we shot poorly. Michigan shot worse than Purdue did and managed to win the game.

Sorry, the blame lies elsewhere.

Take a look at the shot chart, easily missed 10 to 15 shots at the RIM.

 

[TC4THREE]

If you don't understand that an abnormally bad free throw shooting % cost us this game, I don't know how to help you.

 

[*4purdue*]

All the people on this board who are trying to take the heat off of Painter are saying it's not Painter's fault we shot so poorly; it on post after post, stuff like "Painter didn't miss those free throws and easy inside shots."

First of all Purdue shot 8 for 19 from the 3-pt line; 24 points in only 19 shot. Michigan, who really, really depends on the 3-pt shot only shot 6 for 25, 6 for 25 !!!!. If Michigan shoots 24% from three and Purdue shoots over 40%, no way around it, Purdue should win by 20 points. How did that not happen?

On five less shots (five less possessions), Purdue scored six more points from the 3.

Overall all for the game, Purdue shot 46% and Michigan shot 42%. Don't blame this loss on shooting because, really, Michigan had a lot worse luck shooing the ball than Purdue did.

Yes, we lost some points in the random chance of missed free throws, gave away 4 or 5 points. But Michigan gave away 9 or 12 points in the random chance of missed 3 pt shots. If we look at average shooting games for both teams, this game never even gets to overtime.

Don't give me this crap about we lost this game because we shot poorly. Michigan shot worse than Purdue did and managed to win the game.

Sorry, the blame lies elsewhere.

Honestly... If the refs don't blow the whistle, Swanigan's inbounds pass may have been the biggest boneheaded play in Purdue history.

 

[vilehoopster]

If you don't understand that an abnormally bad free throw shooting % cost us this game, I don't know how to help you.

I don't know if you understand this TC, but three point shots count for, here it comes, three points; and free throws count for one point. So really, abnormally bad 3 pts shooting is, well, I don't know . . . can it be . . . let's say three times worse than abnormally bad free throw shooting.

Just trying to explain the math to you.

 

[slidde01]

All the people on this board who are trying to take the heat off of Painter are saying it's not Painter's fault we shot so poorly; it on post after post, stuff like "Painter didn't miss those free throws and easy inside shots."

First of all Purdue shot 8 for 19 from the 3-pt line; 24 points in only 19 shot. Michigan, who really, really depends on the 3-pt shot only shot 6 for 25, 6 for 25 !!!!. If Michigan shoots 24% from three and Purdue shoots over 40%, no way around it, Purdue should win by 20 points. How did that not happen?

On five less shots (five less possessions), Purdue scored six more points from the 3.

Overall all for the game, Purdue shot 46% and Michigan shot 42%. Don't blame this loss on shooting because, really, Michigan had a lot worse luck shooing the ball than Purdue did.

Yes, we lost some points in the random chance of missed free throws, gave away 4 or 5 points. But Michigan gave away 9 or 12 points in the random chance of missed 3 pt shots. If we look at average shooting games for both teams, this game never even gets to overtime.

Don't give me this crap about we lost this game because we shot poorly. Michigan shot worse than Purdue did and managed to win the game.

Sorry, the blame lies elsewhere.

Shut the **** up asshole.

 

[TC4THREE]

I don't know if you understand this TC, but three point shots count for, here it comes, three points; and free throws count for one point. So really, abnormally bad 3 pts shooting is, well, I don't know . . . can it be . . . let's say three times worse than abnormally bad free throw shooting.

Just trying to explain the math to you.

I don't know if you understand this, but defense plays a part in how well you shoot 3 pointers but free throws aren't defended. If Michigan shot poorly, it might not all have been just bad luck. If we shot free throws poorly, I don't think Michigan had anything to do with it.

 

[SunnyFL24]

If you don't understand that an abnormally bad free throw shooting % cost us this game, I don't know how to help you.

Touche.........Thompson hits both at end.........game over...PERIOD! We flat out choked at the line...

 

[nagemj02]

Purdue didn't shoot well enough. Their FT shooting was the worst out of all the percentages (6-13 for 46%).

A team has to be able to shoot well and score in the 70's to 80's in regulation to have a chance of winning games in the NCAA Tournament.

 

[NVBoilerFan]

I don't know if you understand this TC, but three point shots count for, here it comes, three points; and free throws count for one point. So really, abnormally bad 3 pts shooting is, well, I don't know . . . can it be . . . let's say three times worse than abnormally bad free throw shooting.

Just trying to explain the math to you.

Let me explain something to you, the best three point shooters for Purdue were 1-9 too. This game was lost because shots didn't fall, particularly FT's.

 

[EastCoastBoiler]

I don't know if you understand this TC....

He doesn't understand shit. Throwing statistics at him will only cause him to emotionally implode.

 

[TC4THREE]

He doesn't understand shit. Throwing statistics at him will only cause him to emotionally implode.

Oh look. It's EastCoastTrash out from hibernation. I thought the opportunity to bitch might bring you out to prove you know even less about basketball than you do football.

 

[EastCoastBoiler]

Oh look. It's EastCoastTrash out from hibernation. I thought the opportunity to bitch might bring you out to prove you know even less about basketball than you do football.

Oh look. It's EastCoastTrash out from hibernation. I thought the opportunity to bitch might bring you out to prove you know even less about basketball than you do football.

Thank you for proving my point (again), rust belt Indiana trash.

 

[tjreese]

I don't know if you understand this, but defense plays a part in how well you shoot 3 pointers but free throws aren't defended. If Michigan shot poorly, it might not all have been just bad luck. If we shot free throws poorly, I don't think Michigan had anything to do with it.

Why did you have to go and spoil my fun. I was enjoying this. Now they know Fts are not defended...neither was teh backdoor cut Dakota make and missed on the layup. There were a LOT of digs at the ball inside where Michigan got the ball. I have no idea how clean they were, but that added to a lot of possessions as well...many of point blank shots by Vince that struggled with the length. There were two times Purdue faked and moved into the D and shot...nothing was called and really that is the way it should be, but that is not the way it usually is. Those two possessions went to Michigan. Vince got in foul trouble and couldn't defend Irvin.

There really aren't any surprises...we all knew weaknesses Purdue had and how Michigan's strengths were Purdue's weaknesse adn even with all that if PJ hits the shot he has in the past at the line..this one is a win for Purdue. What did the bookies have 1 pt or so difference?

 

[nagemj02]

Why did you have to go and spoil my fun. I was enjoying this. Now they know Fts are not defended...neither was teh backdoor cut Dakota make and missed on the layup. There were a LOT of digs at the ball inside where Michigan got the ball. I have no idea how clean they were, but that added to a lot of possessions as well...many of point blank shots by Vince that struggled with the length. There were two times Purdue faked and moved into the D and shot...nothing was called and really that is the way it should be, but that is not the way it usually is. Those two possessions went to Michigan. Vince got in foul trouble and couldn't defend Irvin.

There really aren't any surprises...we all knew weaknesses Purdue had and how Michigan's strengths were Purdue's weaknesse adn even with all that if PJ hits the shot he has in the past at the line..this one is a win for Purdue. What did the bookies have 1 pt or so difference?

I'm surprised Vince and Carsen don't use the pull-up jumper more often when they drive towards the hoop. They need to be aware that it's a better shot than driving into the teeth of a defense.

 

[TC4THREE]

Thank you for proving my point (again), rust belt Indiana trash.

Oh look. It's EastCoastTrash out from hibernation. I thought the opportunity to bitch might bring you out to prove you know even less about basketball than you do football.

 

[EastCoastBoiler]

I lead a miserable, insignificant life in a dead region of America. I am nothing but a breathing, typing piece of inferior shit to the world around me...

...but I do have more than 26,000 posts on this site. Please take me seriously.

 

[TC4THREE]

Oh look. It's EastCoastTrash out from hibernation. I thought the opportunity to bitch might bring you out to prove you know even less about basketball than you do football.

 

[tjreese]

I'm surprised Vince and Carsen don't use the pull-up jumper more often when they drive towards the hoop. They need to be aware that it's a better shot than driving into the teeth of a defense.

I don't know...but my money says they were trying to draw teh fouls as that would take away the offense of Michigan. Make no mistake, the calls turned after the T, but as tough of a game as this was...if Purdue finishes...they win.

We don't talk about it, but this is another game that Basil could have helped if things had been different this year.

 

[EastCoastBoiler]

I lead a miserable, insignificant life in a dead region of America. I am nothing but a breathing, typing piece of inferior shit to the world around me...

...but I do have more than 26,000 posts on this site. Please take me seriously..

 

[TC4THREE]

Oh look. It's EastCoastTrash out from hibernation. I thought the opportunity to bitch might bring you out to prove you know even less about basketball than you do football.

 

[nagemj02]

I don't know...but my money says they were trying to draw teh fouls as that would take away the offense of Michigan. Make no mistake, the calls turned after the T, but as tough of a game as this was...if Purdue finishes...they win.

We don't talk about it, but this is another game that Basil could have helped if things had been different this year.

Also, more than one guard needs to be able to score off of their dribble and they have to make their open looks. If you're a guard that's athletically limited, you have to be able to make most or all of your open looks for your team in order to be a legit national title contender.

 

[EastCoastBoiler]

I lead a miserable, insignificant life in a dead region of America. I am nothing but a breathing, typing piece of inferior shit to the world around me...

...but I do have more than 26,000 posts on this site. Please take me seriously.

 

[TC4THREE]

Oh look. It's EastCoastTrash out from hibernation. I thought the opportunity to bitch might bring you out to prove you know even less about basketball than you do football.

 

[RegionWarrior101]

All the people on this board who are trying to take the heat off of Painter are saying it's not Painter's fault we shot so poorly; it on post after post, stuff like "Painter didn't miss those free throws and easy inside shots."

First of all Purdue shot 8 for 19 from the 3-pt line; 24 points in only 19 shot. Michigan, who really, really depends on the 3-pt shot only shot 6 for 25, 6 for 25 !!!!. If Michigan shoots 24% from three and Purdue shoots over 40%, no way around it, Purdue should win by 20 points. How did that not happen?

On five less shots (five less possessions), Purdue scored six more points from the 3.

Overall all for the game, Purdue shot 46% and Michigan shot 42%. Don't blame this loss on shooting because, really, Michigan had a lot worse luck shooing the ball than Purdue did.

Yes, we lost some points in the random chance of missed free throws, gave away 4 or 5 points. But Michigan gave away 9 or 12 points in the random chance of missed 3 pt shots. If we look at average shooting games for both teams, this game never even gets to overtime.

Don't give me this crap about we lost this game because we shot poorly. Michigan shot worse than Purdue did and managed to win the game.

Sorry, the blame lies elsewhere.

Not bad shooting, but no one wanting to take the shot. Well one guy does but often not his shot.

 

[*4purdue*]

Touche.........Thompson hits both at end.........game over...PERIOD! We flat out choked at the line...

Should have shot them from half court. I think he's 100% from there

 

[tjreese]

Not bad shooting, but no one wanting to take the shot. Well one guy does but often not his shot.

didn't michigan outscore Purdue by double digits at the line? that is a pretty large amount as tight as this game was. If Purdue gets to the line more...who knows?

 

[GoldandBlackintheSaddleAgain]

Hey East coast,

I want zero part of your feud with TC. But you must be some kind of sense to not realize you continue to dog an entire state / region's choice of residence, each time you slam Indiana:

E.g.,. "Flyover State trash"
"Live in the most boring state"
"Rust belt trash"

You come off as an arrogant, entitled east coast, grade A , asshole

...No offense

 

[mryankee2397]

yes we know what 3 pointers are worth , but with the game on the line we missed the front end of a one and one, not a 3 pointer. 6-11 free throw shooting for this team is hard to explain. add to that all the points we left around the rim(all season) and that is the game

I don't know if you understand this TC, but three point shots count for, here it comes, three points; and free throws count for one point. So really, abnormally bad 3 pts shooting is, well, I don't know . . . can it be . . . let's say three times worse than abnormally bad free throw shooting.

Just trying to explain the math to you.

 

[EastCoastBoiler]

Hey East coast,

I want zero part of your feud with TC. But you must be some kind of sense to not realize you continue to dog an entire state / region's choice of residence, each time you slam Indiana:

E.g.,. "Flyover State trash"
"Live in the most boring state"
"Rust belt trash"

You come off as an arrogant, entitled east coast, grade A , asshole

...No offense

You want a tissue?

EDIT: South Bend is a shithole; care to refute that, Barney?

 

[Dryfly88]

Why did you have to go and spoil my fun. I was enjoying this. Now they know Fts are not defended...neither was teh backdoor cut Dakota make and missed on the layup. There were a LOT of digs at the ball inside where Michigan got the ball. I have no idea how clean they were, but that added to a lot of possessions as well...many of point blank shots by Vince that struggled with the length. There were two times Purdue faked and moved into the D and shot...nothing was called and really that is the way it should be, but that is not the way it usually is. Those two possessions went to Michigan. Vince got in foul trouble and couldn't defend Irvin.

There really aren't any surprises...we all knew weaknesses Purdue had and how Michigan's strengths were Purdue's weaknesse adn even with all that if PJ hits the shot he has in the past at the line..this one is a win for Purdue. What did the bookies have 1 pt or so difference?

PU was a 3 1/2 point favorite.

No surprises on what UM could do to us, but honestly we handled that pretty well. 6/13 on FT's was the unpleasant surprise about this game. PJ came up very small in a big situation. We hit just close to our season avg and this game was over in regulation. Hopefully the extra rest has us ready to play on Thursday/Friday. That's the only positive thing that may come from this game.

 

[tjreese]

PU was a 3 1/2 point favorite.

No surprises on what UM could do to us, but honestly we handled that pretty well. 6/13 on FT's was the unpleasant surprise about this game. PJ came up very small in a big situation. We hit just close to our season avg and this game was over in regulation. Hopefully the extra rest has us ready to play on Thursday/Friday. That's the only positive thing that may come from this game.

It was much easier to coach Michigan than Purdue. It was disappointing and so were many comments from some. My surprise is that for WEEKS I thought everyone knew the difficulties Purdue had trying to defend players such as Michigan...AND knew the team Michigan had could defend Purdue as well without selling out to the inside or perimeter in guarding Purdue.

 

[Dryfly88]

It was much easier to coach Michigan than Purdue. It was disappointing and so were many comments from some. My surprise is that for WEEKS I thought everyone knew the difficulties Purdue had trying to defend players such as Michigan...AND knew the team Michigan had could defend Purdue as well without selling out to the inside or perimeter in guarding Purdue.

That's my point though TJ, even with all the "disadvantages" we have in match-ups, the game was there for the winning by just hitting our yearly % of FT's. That's what disappointed me. Dakota makes a lay-up or PJ hits 2 FT's and the game is over. All those "disadvantages" were overcome with simply making 8/13 FT's instead of 6/13. Something I would have taken to the bank prior to the game.

 

[tjreese]

That's my point though TJ, even with all the "disadvantages" we have in match-ups, the game was there for the winning by just hitting our yearly % of FT's. That's what disappointed me. Dakota makes a lay-up or PJ hits 2 FT's and the game is over. All those "disadvantages" were overcome with simply making 8/13 FT's instead of 6/13. Something I would have taken to the bank prior to the game.

absolutely...and my point about Michigan was an attempt for people to understand the disadvantages Matt had and yet should have pulled it out...by many ways. Does anyone really think Purdue has more talent than Michigan and a few other big ten teams? I thought it was over with PJ at the line...he has been money in the past..was he wore out?

 

[Dryfly88]

absolutely...and my point about Michigan was an attempt for people to understand the disadvantages Matt had and yet should have pulled it out...by many ways. Does anyone really think Purdue has more talent than Michigan and a few other big ten teams? I thought it was over with PJ at the line...he has been money in the past..was he wore out?[/QUOTE]
Played 36 minutes including OT. So I would say no, he shouldn't be so wore out he can't make a FT. But let's say he was getting tired. Spike only played 9 minutes, he obviously wasn't tired. How about getting him the ball with 20 seconds to go? I'll take him at the FT line over PJ any time.

 

[tjreese]

However tired PJ was from chasing Walton...Spike was not as tired. Perhaps PJ wasn't tired and just missed it due to pressure or just not feeling it all game...I have no idea. PJ has made many big shots at the line before and I really "counted" it going in. Had Spike been playing..he may have hit the FT. I love Spikes court awareness, but suspect Matt didn't think he had as much quickness as PJ to stay with Walton. That is a guess on what Matt "may" have thought. He sees them go at it all teh time in practice...and perhaps it is a confidence thing in just seeing PJ run the team longer and such as well as defending the ball in practice. Lot of guesswork what may or may not have worked, but I will agree that whether PJ was tired or not...Spike would be less tired.

 

[Bucket Boy]

All the people on this board who are trying to take the heat off of Painter are saying it's not Painter's fault we shot so poorly; it on post after post, stuff like "Painter didn't miss those free throws and easy inside shots."

First of all Purdue shot 8 for 19 from the 3-pt line; 24 points in only 19 shot. Michigan, who really, really depends on the 3-pt shot only shot 6 for 25, 6 for 25 !!!!. If Michigan shoots 24% from three and Purdue shoots over 40%, no way around it, Purdue should win by 20 points. How did that not happen?

On five less shots (five less possessions), Purdue scored six more points from the 3.

Overall all for the game, Purdue shot 46% and Michigan shot 42%. Don't blame this loss on shooting because, really, Michigan had a lot worse luck shooing the ball than Purdue did.

Yes, we lost some points in the random chance of missed free throws, gave away 4 or 5 points. But Michigan gave away 9 or 12 points in the random chance of missed 3 pt shots. If we look at average shooting games for both teams, this game never even gets to overtime.

Don't give me this crap about we lost this game because we shot poorly. Michigan shot worse than Purdue did and managed to win the game.

Sorry, the blame lies elsewhere.

You my friend are clueless! Absolutely clueless!