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Do you remember … the 21st night of November?

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Do you remember … the 21st night of November?

They were changin’ the minds as pretenders … while chasin’ old clouds away.

So said the talking heads, “They’ll be favored in all their remaining games.”

Apologies to Earth, Wind & Fire, but that was Nov. 21, just after Purdue’s back-to-back wins over North Carolina and Villanova … destined to be two of the NCAA’s final Elite Eight.

Both wore down against Purdue’s depth, shown in the decisive runs in the last 10 minutes. That’s when Purdue was starting its one and only Indiana Mr. Basketball and actually playing 10 deep, which kept legs fresher and confidence shared while compensating for the general lack of speed and athleticism and the overlooked deficits in length for the three 6-5 wings/forwards.

Defense generally remained subpar, but, as the bench’s minutes were cut in Big Ten play, Purdue shooters instead showed wear and tailed off. In their last 10 games against league foes, Stefanovic sagged badly (22 of 75 overall for 29 percent) with Ivey also misfiring his set shots (16 of 68 threes for 24 percent) when not busting dishes with crashes into walls (32 turnovers vs. 28 assists). Also dropping below season averages in that span were Gillis (5.3 vs. 6.4 ppg), Thompson (1.2 vs. 4.2 ppg), Morton (1.7 vs. 2.4 ppg), Furst (1.8 in 8 games vs. 4.1 ppg) and Newman (3.5 in 4 games vs. 4.6 ppg). Only Hunter rose (8.9 vs. 6.2 ppg), aside from Edey and Williams, who continued splitting their 40 minutes per game and thus continued to produce. As a whole, Purdue shot 45.5 percent in its last 10 Big Ten games vs. 49 percent for the year.

The tightened rotation led to tighter throats and team-wide chokes, allowing a succession of lesser opponents to stick around for freak-show finishes and four fadeout losses in those last 10, six for the season, followed by yet more late lapses for losses in the league tourney final and the NCAA’s Sweet Sixteen.

All as the favorite.

This “Final Four material” was ranked between No. 7 and No. 1 all season … until it really mattered in March, when seeds are planted. Instead of late momentum, Purdue lost two straight to fall out of the polls’ Elite Eight and lose the Big Ten title after a hard climb to first from 1-2.

The team once ranked No. 1 in the nation finished only No. 3 in its league, then No. 2 in the league tourney, then lost as a low 3 seed against a 15 seed in the NCAA … all in step with the slices in bench minutes that shredded confidence, conditioning and all the anticipated banners.

Gotta dance with who brung ya, but not ’til they drop. Then shots don’t drop and the team does, leaving a big zero in the trophy case and dust in the rafters.
 
"Purdue's one and only Mr. Basketball"? You have to mean Caleb First on this year's team. Over time we've had lots: Biggie, Big Dog, Mount, Keller, Bob Ford, Denny Brady ... sorry for skipping so many, but I'm still recovering from last night too.
 
"Purdue's one and only Mr. Basketball"? You have to mean Caleb First on this year's team. Over time we've had lots: Biggie, Big Dog, Mount, Keller, Bob Ford, Denny Brady ... sorry for skipping so many, but I'm still recovering from last night too.

Yep, you got it. Furst is Purdue’s only Indiana All-Star No. 1 around now, the same 6-9 freshman who had 20 points and 9 rebounds in the wins over North Carolina and Villanova. Performances eventually forgotten.

And now one of those teams is no longer a mere Elitist. Nova is goin’ to the Final Four. The same team we beat on the 21st day of November.

Could Carolina follow?
 
Do you remember … the 21st night of November?

They were changin’ the minds as pretenders … while chasin’ old clouds away.

So said the talking heads, “They’ll be favored in all their remaining games.”

Apologies to Earth, Wind & Fire, but that was Nov. 21, just after Purdue’s back-to-back wins over North Carolina and Villanova … destined to be two of the NCAA’s final Elite Eight.

Both wore down against Purdue’s depth, shown in the decisive runs in the last 10 minutes. That’s when Purdue was starting its one and only Indiana Mr. Basketball and actually playing 10 deep, which kept legs fresher and confidence shared while compensating for the general lack of speed and athleticism and the overlooked deficits in length for the three 6-5 wings/forwards.

Defense generally remained subpar, but, as the bench’s minutes were cut in Big Ten play, Purdue shooters instead showed wear and tailed off. In their last 10 games against league foes, Stefanovic sagged badly (22 of 75 overall for 29 percent) with Ivey also misfiring his set shots (16 of 68 threes for 24 percent) when not busting dishes with crashes into walls (32 turnovers vs. 28 assists). Also dropping below season averages in that span were Gillis (5.3 vs. 6.4 ppg), Thompson (1.2 vs. 4.2 ppg), Morton (1.7 vs. 2.4 ppg), Furst (1.8 in 8 games vs. 4.1 ppg) and Newman (3.5 in 4 games vs. 4.6 ppg). Only Hunter rose (8.9 vs. 6.2 ppg), aside from Edey and Williams, who continued splitting their 40 minutes per game and thus continued to produce. As a whole, Purdue shot 45.5 percent in its last 10 Big Ten games vs. 49 percent for the year.

The tightened rotation led to tighter throats and team-wide chokes, allowing a succession of lesser opponents to stick around for freak-show finishes and four fadeout losses in those last 10, six for the season, followed by yet more late lapses for losses in the league tourney final and the NCAA’s Sweet Sixteen.

All as the favorite.

This “Final Four material” was ranked between No. 7 and No. 1 all season … until it really mattered in March, when seeds are planted. Instead of late momentum, Purdue lost two straight to fall out of the polls’ Elite Eight and lose the Big Ten title after a hard climb to first from 1-2.

The team once ranked No. 1 in the nation finished only No. 3 in its league, then No. 2 in the league tourney, then lost as a low 3 seed against a 15 seed in the NCAA … all in step with the slices in bench minutes that shredded confidence, conditioning and all the anticipated banners.

Gotta dance with who brung ya, but not ’til they drop. Then shots don’t drop and the team does, leaving a big zero in the trophy case and dust in the rafters.
Your stats are interesting. What I wonder is the fall off a Purdue phenomenon only or is the B1G grind taking a toll on other teams as well? The physical toll of B1G play could well explain it.
 
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Your stats are interesting. What I wonder is the fall off a Purdue phenomenon only or is the B1G grind taking a toll on other teams as well? The physical toll of B1G play could well explain it.

Great idea for a league study, because it does keep happening. I said this in another thread, but I think the Big Ten is like Ali-Frazier going 20 rounds for three months, trading blow by blow, sweating bullets and staggering home totally punch-drunk. Then along comes Pee Wee Herman with a puff of smoke, and we immediately keel over. Looney Tunes on BTN.

That’s why it was such a killer to tighten what had proven to be a great rotation. If anything, we needed more shared minutes later to handle the grind.
 
Do you remember … the 21st night of November?

They were changin’ the minds as pretenders … while chasin’ old clouds away.

So said the talking heads, “They’ll be favored in all their remaining games.”

Apologies to Earth, Wind & Fire, but that was Nov. 21, just after Purdue’s back-to-back wins over North Carolina and Villanova … destined to be two of the NCAA’s final Elite Eight.

Both wore down against Purdue’s depth, shown in the decisive runs in the last 10 minutes. That’s when Purdue was starting its one and only Indiana Mr. Basketball and actually playing 10 deep, which kept legs fresher and confidence shared while compensating for the general lack of speed and athleticism and the overlooked deficits in length for the three 6-5 wings/forwards.

Defense generally remained subpar, but, as the bench’s minutes were cut in Big Ten play, Purdue shooters instead showed wear and tailed off. In their last 10 games against league foes, Stefanovic sagged badly (22 of 75 overall for 29 percent) with Ivey also misfiring his set shots (16 of 68 threes for 24 percent) when not busting dishes with crashes into walls (32 turnovers vs. 28 assists). Also dropping below season averages in that span were Gillis (5.3 vs. 6.4 ppg), Thompson (1.2 vs. 4.2 ppg), Morton (1.7 vs. 2.4 ppg), Furst (1.8 in 8 games vs. 4.1 ppg) and Newman (3.5 in 4 games vs. 4.6 ppg). Only Hunter rose (8.9 vs. 6.2 ppg), aside from Edey and Williams, who continued splitting their 40 minutes per game and thus continued to produce. As a whole, Purdue shot 45.5 percent in its last 10 Big Ten games vs. 49 percent for the year.

The tightened rotation led to tighter throats and team-wide chokes, allowing a succession of lesser opponents to stick around for freak-show finishes and four fadeout losses in those last 10, six for the season, followed by yet more late lapses for losses in the league tourney final and the NCAA’s Sweet Sixteen.

All as the favorite.

This “Final Four material” was ranked between No. 7 and No. 1 all season … until it really mattered in March, when seeds are planted. Instead of late momentum, Purdue lost two straight to fall out of the polls’ Elite Eight and lose the Big Ten title after a hard climb to first from 1-2.

The team once ranked No. 1 in the nation finished only No. 3 in its league, then No. 2 in the league tourney, then lost as a low 3 seed against a 15 seed in the NCAA … all in step with the slices in bench minutes that shredded confidence, conditioning and all the anticipated banners.

Gotta dance with who brung ya, but not ’til they drop. Then shots don’t drop and the team does, leaving a big zero in the trophy case and dust in the rafters.
Ended like this sad event in November
 
Yep, you got it. Furst is Purdue’s only Indiana All-Star No. 1 around now, the same 6-9 freshman who had 20 points and 9 rebounds in the wins over North Carolina and Villanova. Performances eventually forgotten.

And now one of those teams is no longer a mere Elitist. Nova is goin’ to the Final Four. The same team we beat on the 21st day of November.

Could Carolina follow?
Not sure which was more puzzling, or, impactful...the lack of minutes for Furst after December and subsequent lack of development and impact that went with it, or, the complete disappearance of Newman, and, same lack of development and potentially impact.

I know this...this team never approached again what it looked like on those back-to-back days in November, and, right now, is a shell of not only itself, but, also what Villanova and UNC have become.
 
If UNC advances, maybe they can hang a “We beat half the 2022 final four in November of 2021” banner in Mackey? 😂😂😂
 
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And what changed since then . …. You guessed it …. The rotation . Painter changed everything and went to a shorter bench. All this means is the only one to blame is Painter. So quit blaming the players and put it where it belongs…. Duh
 
And what changed since then . …. You guessed it …. The rotation . Painter changed everything and went to a shorter bench. All this means is the only one to blame is Painter. So quit blaming the players and put it where it belongs…. Duh

The team-wide drop-off in shooting can be mostly attributed to tired legs and/or lost confidence from the tightened rotation, which was Painter’s decision, but the turnovers that crushed chances to make amends came directly from the players’ erratic decision-making. A small part of that could be the offensive design, but it’s mainly from lapses in attention or fatigue or trying to meet hype about passing abilities or just plain inability to consistently execute. Painter draws the plans and puts the people on court, but the players were the ones who put the ball in opponents’ hands, worse than most Painter-coached teams. It’s on them, too.
 
Players can’t get a pass either. You are right. Williams was a fantastic passer and he tried to prove it every game , wouldn’t make the easy pass always the one that got the highlights. But the shooting , free throws , passing and defense was partially caused by tired legs. That part on Painter
 
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Furst, Newman and Morton should never have suffered so many splinters. Such confinements would get a nursing home sued. Everyone had strengths to offer, and too often we missed theirs. They wound up being more hesitant and less effective when they finally did get in.
 
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“Somethin’ could be fin-ah than to beat up Caro-lina in No-vem-ber.”

Maybe St. Peter’s plays better on Fridays in Lent. You know. Because of the fish. Like us. We swallowed all that stuff … hook, line … not enough sinkers.

Whatever, the 2022 Final Four will be half full and half empty of Purdue’s early season conquests. Back, like George Harrison sang, “When we was fab.” Topped the charts for 3 days.

Like Jimi Hendrix sang, “Manek depression’s a frustratin’ mess.”
 
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“Somethin’ could be fin-ah than to beat up Caro-lina in No-vem-ber.”

Maybe St. Peter’s plays better on Fridays in Lent. You know. Because of the fish. Like us. We swallowed all that stuff … hook, line … not enough sinkers.

Whatever, the 2022 Final Four will be half full and half empty of Purdue’s early season conquests. Back, like George Harrison sang, “When we was fab.” Topped the charts for 3 days.

Like Jimi Hendrix sang, “Manek depression’s a frustratin’ mess.”
 
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“Cryin’ on the City of New Orleans.”
“Villanova, ’Heels make the final tale.”
“Fifty fans and fifteen restless players.”
“Three assistants and twenty-nine wins that fail.”

“All along the southbound odyssey.”
“The train derailed at Mad City.”
“Rollin’ to lousy tourney fields.”
“Passin’ teams that have no names.”
“Fraid from years of fold-back games.”
“And the graveyards of the rusted Boiler wheels.”

“Good Morning, America. How are you?”
“Say, don’t you know me? I’m your native son.”
“I’m the train they call ‘The City of New Orleans.’”
“I’ll be gone to the Final Four when Purdue is done.”

(Apologies to Steve Goodman and Arlo Guthrie. And us.)

 
I don’t have the metrics, but I would bet that the efficiency numbers of our offense are directly correlated to running the motion offense vs just giving Jaden the ball and letting him drive and attempt to create. This is just off of feel and memory but it certainly seemed like the deeper we got into the season the more often instead of running good action we just got the ball to jaden and got out of the way. Or we didn’t get out of the way and he drove recklessly into traffic.
 
I don’t have the metrics, but I would bet that the efficiency numbers of our offense are directly correlated to running the motion offense vs just giving Jaden the ball and letting him drive and attempt to create. This is just off of feel and memory but it certainly seemed like the deeper we got into the season the more often instead of running good action we just got the ball to jaden and got out of the way. Or we didn’t get out of the way and he drove recklessly into traffic.

Not only did Ivey and Stefanovic nosedive as Big Ten play wore on, but the two wound up launching 220 of the team’s 426 threes in Big Ten games, while five of their teammates were more accurate on 3-pointers against the league -- Hunter (.535), Williams (.500), Furst (.500), Gillis (.452) and Morton (.400). Stefanovic shot .373 on Big Ten threes, and Ivey was eighth on the team at .309, also trailing Thompson’s .318. That left the team shooting .380, second to Michigan State after leading the league earlier in the year.
 
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