being out hustled. We're better than this. I did like CMP's intensity tonight, hope he carries that over into next year. Really thought we need Vince and Carsen to drive the ball tonight. Haven't seen much of that from either.
Disappointed this team looks like it quit...
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Hard not to quit when you realize the best on your team isn't in the top five of the team you're playing. They truly are getting their asses handed to them.
I don't really think we quit, this is just an old fashioned @$$ whipping
And to their credit, they would beat anyone tonight. Thought our start might give us some confidence.
Well, Carsen did drive the ball: now he needs to learn how to find open teammates and make the pass before he gets all the way to the rim (or pull-up and shoot a J when he has the space: he did this ONCE). When he got a rebound and tried to take coast-to-coast on two different occasions, I must have yelled "pass it!" about five times on each possession before it ended with him missing or turning it over (think he got his shot-blocked on one occasion). I like the aggressiveness, but he needs to be more composed and a little smarter (understand that the defenders will reach him half of the time, especially when he makes a 94-foot drive to the basket).
I don't know what happened with Vince. He didn't try to create with his dribble one single time the entire game. Yes, Josh Jackson is a superior athlete to him but that doesn't mean that you just give up on trying to do something that you've had a lot of success with throughout your career.
I'll give you Mason but I think Swanigan is a better all-around player than the rest of them. It was just very hard to tell that in this game. Graham and Jackson are probably better than rest of PU's players. I think VE is better than Vick and Mykhailiuk, but once again, it was hard to tell in this game. Haas and CE (in terms of his potential) would be Purdue's 3rd and 4th best players. Mathias is good, but not good enough against the top competition: his scoring disappears against top 10 type teams or blue-blood type programs.
Also, this all goes without mentioning that one of these teams has a superior coaching staff over the other. I get that Bill Self is at a blue-blood program but this guy was leading teams to wins at Oral Roberts, and then to an Elite Eight appearance when he was at Tulsa (Tulsa!) and Illinois before getting the Kansas job.
Painter's earlier staffs were better than the current staff.
Lack of hustle, poise and confidence as soon as Kansas started their run. Being out hustled for rebounds, very poor shoot selection by CE and not remaining calm under pressure. Painter had a great initial game plan. Self adjusted and Painter had no answer. Eventually our defense was unorganized and running all over trying to cover Jayhawks. Painter didn't have the team prepared. He needs to develop the ability to see the chess game a move ahead.
That is my biggest problem with CMP. You hit the nail on the head. Not only did he have no answer, he didn't try by changing anything other than call time out. You've got to mix in junk defenses, change lineups & try something to slow them down. We would have still lost as it was Kansas's night, but you've got to try something else.
This is bull.
You don't come on here and talk about when he out-coaches teams all the time, people only come on here and complain when we lose. The fact of the matter is Kansas is a damn good team and played like one. We hung in there for 30 minutes. If Kansas plays close to this the rest of the tournament, they will win every game by 20. Kansas is an inconsistent team, we did not get them on an inconsistent night- plain and simple.
All teams are inconsistent (except the UCONN womens team). CMP is not good at adjusting. That's my opinion & probably the opinion of of others on this board. You don't have to like it, but that's my opinion of him. He has a game plan & is hell bent on staying with it during games.
If he's not good at making adjustments, then how do you explain this year's wins over some pretty good teams.
I didn't mean to imply he never makes the right adjustments. I'm just saying he's not good at it. I think he's pretty good at initial game planning. A good first move in chess.....then I think he struggles after that. Just how I see it.
It's this a real post? Quit? 67% shooting. That's not quitting. That's getting bludgeoned.
I really can't put this one on Painter.
1) Purdue shot itself in the foot with careless turnovers repeatedly during the last 6:30 in the first half, which turned an 8-point Purdue lead into a 7-point Kansas lead. That's on the team.
2) Purdue's guards simply couldn't keep Kansas's guards from getting to the rim in the second half. That's a matter of their superior athleticism, not coaching. Painter did change tactics over the last 8 or 9 minutes by pulling the guards back to better prevent dribble penetration --- but that's when the threes started raining down.
Bottom line, IMHO, Purdue lost last night because Kansas is a much better team, not because of coaching failures.
1) Purdue shot itself in the foot with careless turnovers repeatedly during the last 6:30 in the first half, which turned an 8-point Purdue lead into a 7-point Kansas lead. That's on the team.
2) Purdue's guards simply couldn't keep Kansas's guards from getting to the rim in the second half. That's a matter of their superior athleticism, not coaching. Painter did change tactics over the last 8 or 9 minutes by pulling the guards back to better prevent dribble penetration --- but that's when the threes started raining down.
Bottom line, IMHO, Purdue lost last night because Kansas is a much better team, not because of coaching failures.
There's a difference in trying something new when your losing and trying something new when your up 19. I would hope you recognize that.
We have talent. CMP has done a great job recruiting... I have no issues with that. It's his coaching decisions. Steve Fisher won a national championship, but is not a good coach either. He can recruit.
That's not a major tactical change. Pressure, trapping, or zoning is a major tactical change. Simply having the guards play off of KU's guards a bit more in the halfcourt is about as minute of a tactical change as one could possibly make.
Steve Fisher "won" that championship with tainted players. Don't ever try to compare that Fab Five mess with our program.
LOL The Fab Five didn't win a National Championship. What an unintelligent post. Fisher won in 1989.
Fair point, Nags, but Kansas went 15/28 from downtown. I don't know what zone would've done to stop that. Plus the players are still on the hook for 9 first half turnovers, many of which led to easy transition baskets during the 22-7 run in the last 6 minutes of the first half that allowed Kansas to take control of the game. That's on the team.
I'm not saying Painter tried all there was to try. But I do stand by my assertion that talent/athleticism differential decided this game not coaching.
Even Webber that hasn't done much, did fine with the talent Self left at Illinois
Been a few years since I played chess, but I seem to recall limited things pawns could do in comparison to queens...or even rooks...or even bishops...or even knights...and even Kings
I just like to make fun of mathboy because he's such an insufferable douche and legend in his own mind, but yet has never said anything that has remotely been accurate.
He didn't win the championship with the fab 5, he won it with Rice and Robinson in '89
Um, something about Weber and a timeout that Michigan didn't have.......and not winning a title with the Fab Five. LOL.
LOL I guess this prove me and nage are ignored, since his stupidity was pointed out twice before.
Another Kesschelmide bitch boy.
Another Kesschelmide bitch boy.
Didn't see any need to respond to your post. It speaks volumes about you. I don't need to pile on.
Mathboy...you're obviously in over your head. I extend an olive branch and I want me and BBG and the rest of the sunshine boys to be on the same page because we all want the same thing. Truce?
To prove I'm for real, ask BBG what his BigTen.org name was. It was BleedingBlackandGold (I think). His password was "gun". I know, he was a dummy. But he liked Purdue and he was from Fort Wayne and he like to trash talk before he was told not to by your cult.
Free BBG!
To prove I'm for real, ask BBG what his BigTen.org name was. It was BleedingBlackandGold (I think). His password was "gun". I know, he was a dummy. But he liked Purdue and he was from Fort Wayne and he like to trash talk before he was told not to by your cult.
Free BBG!
Actually Robinson and Rice were just as tainted, just didn't get caught. When Purdue got off the team bus, Robinson got out of his new car wearing a full length fur coat. The Purdue players asked how he could afford those things and he asked Berning what Purdue players got? Berning told him an education.
LOL which of those would you have done against Kansas?
Zone a team that is one of the best 3 point shooting teams in the country? Great idea!
Putting pressure/trapping one of the best point guards/back courts in the country? Great idea!
None of your "tactical changes" would have changed a damn thing. It's pretty simple - Kansas is one of the best teams in the country. It's won the Big 12 twelve straight years. This isn't a "Painter" problem or a "Purdue" problem - they're a freaking very good team that hardly anyone's been able to beat outside of a fluke.
Purdue did well in the first half, but it squandered an 8 point lead with a couple rushed shots and a couple turnovers. We ended up giving Kansas momentum and while we hung around in the second half for a while, eventually the wheels fell off. And we're not the first team, and certainly won't be the last.
Do you HONESTLY think our guards could trap theirs, that they would not KILL US by shooting threes over a zone, that Trapping them would not help them find the unguarded man that results in an easy basket. NONE ... let me repeat NONE ... one more time NONE of those three strategic moves would have been been anywhere above stupid .... They were quick, good, athletic, smart, great shooters .... none of your stupid strategies would have worked ... in fact they would have played right into their strengths.
I accept your olive branch, but do wish you could write a post that omits any insults to your fellow Boilermakers. You will find that your insults to others being "in over their heads" and such, reflect as poorly on you as they do the person you are trying to insult.
My failing was to forget Fisher had an earlier NC team, which had just as much "taint" as the Fab Five. For some reason, that Fab Five team was on my mind. They were highly ranked but failed to win anything. We won the BIG title all three years they were around (If I recall correctly!). Living up here in Wolverine territory, I get inundated with this Meat-Chicken stuff. Ugh!
Was typing something similar until I saw your post.
Well said. Trapping or pressing their guards with our guards would be insane. It's basketball 101.
Nage is out of his element.
