DH fourth on the list of the hottest of the hot seats for 2016

[BoilerBiker]

No one who is currently attending games will stop going. Rather, I think we will get less folks who have stopped going to games to come back if we are playing a less exciting brand of football..

Anyone who was a student during the Tiller era is a bit spoiled by the high flying, high scoring style of those teams. Just my opinion

I guess we disagree to a certain extent.
I think just winning trumps any specific style of play.

I was there during the height of the tiller years and it was exciting to see the points and wins. But when his spread did not work, it was painful to watch the losses (esp later years)

If DH2 could find a way to win with plodding tressel ball or anything else, I'd immediately have more desire to attend again along with any non-alum fans

 

[njm8845]

Beggars can't be choosers. As long as the coach wins, I don't care how we play.

I also can't believe if Purdue wins 11 games and a BCS bowl, that even 1 fan would complain about the team being unwatchable. If that's the case, not much of a fan in my opinion.

 

[njm8845]

By the way, how many of the top 10 guys on hot seats would you take in a heartbeat?

Would absolutely be thrilled if we got 5 or 6 of them.

It's funny how they rank all the college coaches, not just the ones on the hot seat. What's the point of showing that D'antonio has moved down a spot?

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Beggars can't be choosers. As long as the coach wins, I don't care how we play.

I also can't believe if Purdue wins 11 games and a BCS bowl, that even 1 fan would complain about the team being unwatchable. If that's the case, not much of a fan in my opinion.

Thats a straw man argument, because it isn't going to happen. And the hardcore fans, which there appear to be 17,000-18,000 of now, will show up no matter what.

My point is this: a 6-6 team that is throwing for 400 yards a game and scoring 35-40 points a game is going to draw a lot more casual fans to the stadium than a 6-6 team that is boring to watch. A lot of them are used to watching Peyton and Luck throw for 300 yards and 3 TDs every week for the last 18 years, and the triple option just won't be watchable. You spend $40-$75 on a ticket, you want to be entertained.

 

[jsglenn4]

GA Tech isn't filling their stadium up with their own fans and they have won 14 games over the past 2 seasons. The fans are pretty ho-hum about the program....even coming off their BCS win 2 years ago.

Some of it is Johnson but some of it is the scheme. It's just not a great brand of football to watch, especially if you are a high level college football fan or a pro football fan. Not a lot of transferables. It's really a different game almost. That's why it catches opponents off guard and you might win some games you shouldn't. On the whole though, that stuff evens out and you end up losing to some less talented teams that have just prepared well.

Having lived in the Deep South since leaving Indiana to attend college... most of that time in the Atlanta area... I'm going to wade in here.

1) Georgia Tech hasn't regularly sold out since Bobby Dodd retired in the 60's. They didn't regularly sell out during their National Championship season. UGA owns the state... even Atlanta. Also, you don't stay enrolled at Tech very long if your spending too much time away from the books. The student body doesn't live for Saturdays in the fall.

2) Johnson doesn't have much use for the press and often speaks before considering what the "polite" response might be, but his players love him and he's in pretty good shape with the school administration. His recruiting base is about 30% of what B1G schools can recruit against. He puts a competitive team on the field in a P5 conference and graduates his players. That's all he's asked to do. His being on the hot seat is just another case of sloppy preseason sports "journalism." I believe he is more likely to retire from Tech rather than be fired. It is true, however, that the new AD might want "his guy" in place.

3) Knowledgeable college football fans more often than not respect the offense Johnson runs. Most years it is statistically one of the most explosive in the country. If you think he's running the old Veer or Wishbone of the 60's and 70's, you're sadly mistaken.

4) Georgia Tech rarely loses to teams with less talent. They're play disciplined football. When they lose, it's almost always because the other team had equal or greater talent. Since Johnson arrived in 2008, Tech has lost 6 games to teams who finished with losing records . Half of those came in 2010 when Tech also had a losing record. Other than the Kansas loss in 2010, you'd be hard pressed to spot a "bad" loss in that time. The reverse is actually true. They do very well against bigger schools because those players often depend largely on physical skill and are not overly disciplined. That will kill you against Johnson's offence. Check out his record against Clemson (5-4) and Florida State (3-2) and you'll see a school going toe-to-toe with vastly superior talent and often winning.

It's a fantastic brand of football to watch (if you understand what your watching), played by 2- and 3-star kids who outsmart and out-hustle more physically talented teams. We should probably thank our stars someone hasn't transferred that model to our conference.

 

[pboiler18]

Having lived in the Deep South since leaving Indiana to attend college... most of that time in the Atlanta area... I'm going to wade in here.

1) Georgia Tech hasn't regularly sold out since Bobby Dodd retired in the 60's. They didn't regularly sell out during their National Championship season. UGA owns the state... even Atlanta. Also, you don't stay enrolled at Tech very long if your spending too much time away from the books. The student body doesn't live for Saturdays in the fall.

2) Johnson doesn't have much use for the press and often speaks before considering what the "polite" response might be, but his players love him and he's in pretty good shape with the school administration. His recruiting base is about 30% of what B1G schools can recruit against. He puts a competitive team on the field in a P5 conference and graduates his players. That's all he's asked to do. His being on the hot seat is just another case of sloppy preseason sports "journalism." I believe he is more likely to retire from Tech rather than be fired. It is true, however, that the new AD might want "his guy" in place.

3) Knowledgeable college football fans more often than not respect the offense Johnson runs. Most years it is statistically one of the most explosive in the country. If you think he's running the old Veer or Wishbone of the 60's and 70's, you're sadly mistaken.

4) Georgia Tech rarely loses to teams with less talent. They're play disciplined football. When they lose, it's almost always because the other team had equal or greater talent. Since Johnson arrived in 2008, Tech has lost 6 games to teams who finished with losing records . Half of those came in 2010 when Tech also had a losing record. Other than the Kansas loss in 2010, you'd be hard pressed to spot a "bad" loss in that time. The reverse is actually true. They do very well against bigger schools because those players often depend largely on physical skill and are not overly disciplined. That will kill you against Johnson's offence. Check out his record against Clemson (5-4) and Florida State (3-2) and you'll see a school going toe-to-toe with vastly superior talent and often winning.

It's a fantastic brand of football to watch (if you understand what your watching), played by 2- and 3-star kids who outsmart and out-hustle more physically talented teams. We should probably thank our stars someone hasn't transferred that model to our conference.

Bro- live in Atlanta and am a UGA alum. I pay more attention to Tech than you do.

You couldn't be further off base here.

THEY WENT 3-9 LAST SEASON!!! You don't think he's on the hot seat? His seat was VERY hot as well before the 11 win season.

Even Tech fans don't respect the offense that Tech runs. I don't want it here. At all. Sorry.

He has good records vs. good teams BUT, his record vs. Jimbo coached FSU teams and Dabo coached Clemson teams is a little different. They got lucky and beat FSU in a down year. They beat a few of Dabo's early and less talented teams. They aren't beating those types of teams consistently and honestly, being in the ACC the teams lining up across from him (the Dukes, WF, UVA, UNCs of the world) don't have more talent than he does.

He is in one of the MOST fertile recruiting states out there.....with Alabama, Florida, SC and Tenn within 3-4 hours drive or less. He's not hurting to recruit. At all. He just doesn't because he's a stubborn stick in the mud and doesn't want to compete with the big boys. He knows it would be hard.....but Tech has a strong-ish football legacy....and will not be better for it after he leaves.

 

[njm8845]

My point is this: a 6-6 team that is throwing for 400 yards a game and scoring 35-40 points a game is going to draw a lot more casual fans to the stadium than a 6-6 team that is boring to watch.

I concede your point. All else being equal, I'd rather have a potent offense. But all else isn't equal. Wins still matter more. 8-4 will bring more fans than 6-6, no matter what offenses are run. I just want the coach who gives us the best chance of winning, not the best chance of producing passing yards.

Best case scenario: Tom Herman. Any desire on his part to come back to the b10?

Slightly off topic: most Purdue fans want to hold onto our legacy of passing offense. But Purdue football historically is mediocre at best. And it's a fact that we're only really good when we have a future pro qb running things. So I don't mind changing things up. Betting on getting a pro qb to Purdue leads to long droughts, which we've unfortunately seen all too frequently.

 

[SIBoiler2]

I don't understand how you can put together any list like this and not have DH as #1.

 

[nat100]

I don't understand how you can put together any list like this and not have DH as #1.

The presumption nationally is that Purdue is too cheap to pay his buyout.

 

[pboiler18]

I concede your point. All else being equal, I'd rather have a potent offense. But all else isn't equal. Wins still matter more. 8-4 will bring more fans than 6-6, no matter what offenses are run. I just want the coach who gives us the best chance of winning, not the best chance of producing passing yards.

Best case scenario: Tom Herman. Any desire on his part to come back to the b10?

Slightly off topic: most Purdue fans want to hold onto our legacy of passing offense. But Purdue football historically is mediocre at best. And it's a fact that we're only really good when we have a future pro qb running things. So I don't mind changing things up. Betting on getting a pro qb to Purdue leads to long droughts, which we've unfortunately seen all too frequently.

Tom Herman renegotiated and I think he makes a ton of money now. Also, if Houston gets sucked into the BIG12 like most think, that's easily a better job than Purdue at the moment.

So we'd literally have to back the Brinks truck up to him to get him to come.

That's why I think it's so funny that people turn their noses up to Art Briles. Catching a falling star is really the only way we are going to be able to sign a proven, top tier coach. If we fire Hazell and don't get Sumlin or Briles, our next coach will likely be a middle of the road re-tread or the MAC flavor of the week again.

 

[SIBoiler2]

Tom Herman renegotiated and I think he makes a ton of money now. Also, if Houston gets sucked into the BIG12 like most think, that's easily a better job than Purdue at the moment.

So we'd literally have to back the Brinks truck up to him to get him to come.

That's why I think it's so funny that people turn their noses up to Art Briles. Catching a falling star is really the only way we are going to be able to sign a proven, top tier coach. If we fire Hazell and don't get Sumlin or Briles, our next coach will likely be a middle of the road re-tread or the MAC flavor of the week again.

OK, so let's say we hire Briles. Trouble seems to follow him. Is it better to find your program embroiled in controversy and trouble or to play it safe and find someone that can build the program over a 3-4 year period.

 

[rgarlitz]

Bilal Marshall might be ideal to run the triple option. Unfortunately, he hasn't been able to make much of an impact at WR, and he has only two years of eligibility left.

 

[pboiler18]

OK, so let's say we hire Briles. Trouble seems to follow him. Is it better to find your program embroiled in controversy and trouble or to play it safe and find someone that can build the program over a 3-4 year period.

Admin can make sure he doesn't get in trouble. It seems what happened in Baylor was systemic....the AD, local police and members of the staff were all in on it. We could make sure that everybody was on the up and up and that stuff didn't happen here pretty easily by having a leader at the top who didn't stand for that type of BS. Hopefully the new MB is that kind of guy.

Also, the story coming out of Baylor is super sketchy. Briles sued for wrongful termination and Baylor immediately settled. Mostly, because they didnt want the truth coming out about how deep their involvement or sanctioning of it went. Briles likely wasn't just a fall guy....but there might have been plenty of things he was told to do by Admin.....or things his staff was doing without his knowledge.

 

[FirstDownB]

That's why I think it's so funny that people turn their noses up to Art Briles. Catching a falling star is really the only way we are going to be able to sign a proven, top tier coach. If we fire Hazell and don't get Sumlin or Briles, our next coach will likely be a middle of the road re-tread or the MAC flavor of the week again.

This.

Admin can make sure he doesn't get in trouble. It seems what happened in Baylor was systemic....the AD, local police and members of the staff were all in on it. We could make sure that everybody was on the up and up and that stuff didn't happen here pretty easily by having a leader at the top who didn't stand for that type of BS. Hopefully the new MB is that kind of guy.

And This.

These are the same points I was trying to make in the Briles thread. Yes, Briles has some baggage. But even the dirtiest of coaches (which I do not think Briles is) must be enabled by their administration. If you are MBob, you have the control. You have to believe that. I truly believe Purdue is one of few places at this level where a coach cannot become bigger than the university, which is what allows things like the Penn State scandal to happen or Bob Knight to be king of an entire university for decades. Worst case if you hire a guy, you put monitors on the program, and if things start to go in the wrong direction, you have the backing of the President and BoT to make a change well before it turns into a scandal. Best case, the guy has learned some valuable lessons from the Baylor scandal, the monitors and the influence of the virtuous Purdue community do their part, and he redeems both himself and the Purdue football program.

 

[BoilerBiker]

Even as much or more than briles baggage, woulnt his age/energy/longevity/etc be a factor?
If hired, he would already be 62 by the end of his first season at Purdue.
Or are those wanting him just for a brief, quick turnaround and then seek out another coach for the longer term?

 

[nat100]

Even as much or more than briles baggage, woulnt his age/energy/longevity/etc be a factor?
If hired, he would already be 62 by the end of his first season at Purdue.
Or are those wanting him just for a brief, quick turnaround and then seek out another coach for the longer term?

Didn't realize he was that old. Pass

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Didn't realize he was that old. Pass

rather hire a 61 year old winner than a 48 year old loser.

 

[nat100]

rather hire a 61 year old winner than a 48 year old loser.

No coach hired after 60 has built a successful program, ever

 

[FirstDownB]

Even as much or more than briles baggage, woulnt his age/energy/longevity/etc be a factor?
If hired, he would already be 62 by the end of his first season at Purdue.
Or are those wanting him just for a brief, quick turnaround and then seek out another coach for the longer term?

Valid reason to prefer someone like Sumlin, but 5 to 8 good years from Briles would blow away any length of time from a mediocre coach. The idea would be to come in, stop the bleeding, lift the program, and hopefully hand over a healthy program to a successor (possibly with connections to Briles' system)

No coach hired after 60 has built a successful program, ever

Spurrier, Snyder, Solich, Walsh say hi.

 

[nat100]

Valid reason to prefer someone like Sumlin, but 5 to 8 good years from Briles would blow away any length of time from a mediocre coach. The idea would be to come in, stop the bleeding, lift the program, and hopefully hand over a healthy program to a successor (possibly with connections to Briles' system)

Spurrier, Snyder, Solich, Walsh say hi.

Spurrier was 59 when he took the South Carolina job. Solich is at ohio. Snyder I'll give you Bill Walsh? Got worse every year he was at Stanford the second time

 

[FirstDownB]

Spurrier was 59 when he took the South Carolina job. Solich is at ohio. Snyder I'll give you Bill Walsh? Got worse every year he was at Stanford the second time

I guess you got me on Spurrier (60 prior start of first season with the Cocks).. Yes, Solich is at Ohio. What's your point? He built them from a crap program to 7 bowl appearances in 11 years. Bill Walsh- I guess you got me. Considering he is a legend I didn't spend much time looking up his records, but I remember watching his 1992 team undress a top 10 ND team all over the field in South Bend.
These were mostly off the of my head. I'm sure there have been others. I had a harder time thinking of coaches hired after age 60 who were utter failures. Too small of a population - most successful coaches aren't available for hire at that age.

 

[jsglenn4]

Bro- live in Atlanta and am a UGA alum. I pay more attention to Tech than you do.

You couldn't be further off base here.

THEY WENT 3-9 LAST SEASON!!! You don't think he's on the hot seat? His seat was VERY hot as well before the 11 win season.

Even Tech fans don't respect the offense that Tech runs. I don't want it here. At all. Sorry.

He has good records vs. good teams BUT, his record vs. Jimbo coached FSU teams and Dabo coached Clemson teams is a little different. They got lucky and beat FSU in a down year. They beat a few of Dabo's early and less talented teams. They aren't beating those types of teams consistently and honestly, being in the ACC the teams lining up across from him (the Dukes, WF, UVA, UNCs of the world) don't have more talent than he does.

He is in one of the MOST fertile recruiting states out there.....with Alabama, Florida, SC and Tenn within 3-4 hours drive or less. He's not hurting to recruit. At all. He just doesn't because he's a stubborn stick in the mud and doesn't want to compete with the big boys. He knows it would be hard.....but Tech has a strong-ish football legacy....and will not be better for it after he leaves.

Well... I work with a half-dozen Georgia Tech grads just up I-85 in Greenville and went to school with another handful that did 3/2's at Tech. None of those guys want to see him fired and they're a WHOLE LOT closer to the GT scene than you are. Also, being a UGA grad, I'm not sure you come to this discussion free from bias.

Your comment about recruiting in such a fertile state is clear evidence you don't really understand Georgia Tech's situation. Tech can only realistically recruit about 30% of the kids other schools (Clemson, Florida State, UGA...) can. The admission standards are simply too high. About 15% of UGA's players would qualify for admission. This being a Purdue board, I'll bring it back around to the G&B. Purdue doesn't take just anyone into their School of Engineering. I know the kids I graduated with that went to WL were among the very best in our school. This makes the Boilers' task more difficult, but Tech has an even greater level of difficulty as Purdue has a number of liberal arts degrees which Tech is not allowed to offer by the Georgia Board of Regents. So, not only does the kid have to be very intelligent, he pretty much has to want to become an engineer. Purdue, Stanford, Notre Dame, Northwestern, etc... can all offer other options. Georgia Tech is probably the one FBS school who more properly can be grouped with the service academies with regards to recruiting.

You comments about their schedule also shows you don't pay a whole lot of attention to Georgia Tech. They play Clemson every year. Dabo and Johnson both started in 2008. Clemson has been ranked in the top-20 every one those years. Johnson has won 5 of 9. None of those Clemson teams has been anything less than a powerful football team. They play Duke every year who has been to a bowl the past four years running. They play Virginia Tech every year (admittedly down a bit recently, but still a good team), They play UNC every year. The same Carolina program that has averaged 8 wins since Johnson arrived in 2008. They do not play Wake or UVa very often (other division). Georgia Tech does NOT play a weak schedule and they've won 62 games in those 8 years.

Lastly, Johnson's offense has been ranked in the top 30 in 4 of the 8 years he's been at Tech. Traditionally their problem is the defense. Johnson runs a high-powered offense that put points on the board, wins games and he graduates his players. The only reason he might leave in the near future is if the new AD wants to get "his guy" into the role which would be understandable. It won't be because of job performance or his offence.

I apologize to Purdue fans for hijacking this thread and being so long-winded about it, but I just had to call this out. To bring it back to the G&B, I would say there is no chance Purdue and Johnson hook up. I doubt either side would want it as Johnson and your new AD didn't seem to get along, but Johnson's protege at Navy, Ken Niumatalolo, would be an excellent hire if you can get him interested. Many of my Tech friends tell me they'd love to have him follow Johnson but the word is he's happy in Annapolis for the time being. Niumatalolo is a Mormon and is said to prefer to work with the type of young men who attend the service academies over some of the questionable characters you get at the football factories though Purdue would be a bit more attractive in that regard.

 

[BoilerBulldog]

Tom Herman renegotiated and I think he makes a ton of money now. Also, if Houston gets sucked into the BIG12 like most think, that's easily a better job than Purdue at the moment.

So we'd literally have to back the Brinks truck up to him to get him to come.

That's why I think it's so funny that people turn their noses up to Art Briles. Catching a falling star is really the only way we are going to be able to sign a proven, top tier coach. If we fire Hazell and don't get Sumlin or Briles, our next coach will likely be a middle of the road re-tread or the MAC flavor of the week again.

B12 has no future. If you're not coaching at UT or OU you may get left behind when the music stops. Do some research on the difference between the B12 piddling TV contract and what the B1G just signed. There's a reason the B12 is thinking about expansion. They are the 5th horse in a 4 horse race and don't want to be put down.