keep running around telling people im a bot
from where or from whom were two seats stolen from
youre using a left wing talking point here
actually two
you really dont like to be asked to back stupid things up that you say do you
Democrats to lose the House in 2022?
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from where or from whom were two seats stolen from
youre using a left wing talking point here
actually two
you really dont like to be asked to back stupid things up that you say do you
Hey, it’s been a week since the WH proposed a spending $T...so this week let’s spend $1.8T on “families”
Transform the economy? What does that mean exactly?
The Trump economy was rolling right along. WTF?
According to the Democrats, the economy wasn’t rolling along for everyone (even though unemployment and poverty was a record low before COVID and COVID was clearly the responsibility of Trump).
I don’t know why Biden just doesn’t have the federal government hire everyone who currently is making less than $80k/yr and then force private businesses to negotiate contracts of employment for their services.
You ready for 2 Trilly tonight?
4 Trilly budget
2 Trilly "Covid"
2 Trilly "Infrastructure"
2 Trilly "Family"
Biden has proposed 2 Trilly spending for every 3 weeks he has been in office.
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Still not up to $10T, but even if we get there, that won't change the fact that the number was made up in the first place.
I have no desire to argue the merits of the proposals on this board. As I stated earlier, I simply want people to argue honestly. It's a perfectly fine argument to say "Biden's wanting to spend too much money," and then to use the actual numbers of his proposed spending. It's not ok to say "Biden's wanting to spend too much money" and then use a fictional number to back it up.
With today's proposal he's up to $6T. If you want to argue too much spending, that's the number you should use. If he adds more proposals, then you can update that number. There's no need for exaggeration and doing so just leads to bad faith arguing.
A completely incompetent response to COVID most certainly was Trump's responsibility.
$7.7T according to the NYPost which round to $8T....what’s a few quarters amongst politicians?
The $8 trillion (and growing) Biden wants to spend on changing America forever
Eight trillion dollars. That’s how much President Joe Biden has proposed in new spending — in just the 2½ months since taking office. It’s an absurd figure, equal to more than a third of America’s …
nypost.com
And I suppose 8 rounds up to 10, right?$7.7T according to the NYPost which round to $8T....what’s a few quarters amongst politicians?
The $8 trillion (and growing) Biden wants to spend on changing America forever
Eight trillion dollars. That’s how much President Joe Biden has proposed in new spending — in just the 2½ months since taking office. It’s an absurd figure, equal to more than a third of America’s …
The NYPost article includes $1.5T for the FY22 discretionary budget. That budget is $1.485T this year. Is he supposed to not propose a budget for next year? Looks more like $6.2T in "new" spending to me.
This is all ridiculous anyway, though. I have never argued that he hasn't proposed a lot of spending. I haven't even argued in favor of it. Here's the sequence of events:
OP: $10T in spending is not popular
Me: He hasn't spent $10T
Other folks: He wants to spend $9T
Me: $9T is not $10T, and is also inaccurate (at the time of posting)
Other folks: *changes subject to whether Covid bill was needed*
Other folks: He just proposed more for families
Me: Still doesn't add up to $10T
Other folks: this article says $7.7T
Me: Still doesn't add up to $10T
You can't disprove my point -- that he hasn't proposed $10T -- with articles that say he's proposed $8T.
What was Joe going to do different, he didn’t lock down the country in the biggest wave of the pandemic....oh, yeah,....mask mandates!!
Which won't change the fact that the number was made up out of thin air when it was first presented.
Thin Air? it’s VP AOCs Green New Deal Number. Biden is just executing Bernie and AOCs plan. Sometimes he remembers to call it his, when Pelosi and Schumer’s let him have his meds.
So now Biden is responsible for AOC's proposed spending? Maybe that's what the original poster was referring to, rather than Biden's proposals, in which case, I was wrong about my initial post.
That said, the conversation we were having was clearly about Biden's proposals, not AOC's. I don't know why you can't agree that Biden has not proposed $10T in spending, when, clearly, he hasn't. "Maybe he will at some later date" does not change what's true right now.
I gotta say, the length of this conversation is growing way out of proportion to my interest in it. Have a good night.
Joe wasn't president. I'll go out on a limb and guess he wouldn't have basically ignored it for months though.
Ah, an anti-masker. Color me surprised.
Actually I wear a mask, but those who didn’t wear one weren’t the only ones who got sick.
Mr Masks Solve Everything.... We should probably send 1.5T masks to India, because that would solve their pandemic in 4-8 weeks (or not, just like the US).
Hint....vaccines....
6 Trillion is the ADDITIONAL money proposed above and beyond the 2.7 Trillion Mandatory and 1.3 Trillion Discretionary estimated Federal Budget requirements for Fiscal year 2021.
So 6+4=10 Trillion budget for Fiscal year 2021.
Where did I imply that masks solve everything? They absolutely have slowed the spread.
I'm not sure what "Hint....(sic)vaccines....(sic)" is supposed to be saying. Are you saying that getting vaccines to India would help? Yes, I agree. Apparently President Biden does as well, because he proposes sending unused A-Z vaccines to them.
Uh, it hasn’t changed because the budget proposal includes the portion of the Infrastructure and Families plans that would be spent in FY 2022.
From AP: “The budget incorporates the administration’s eight-year, $2.3 trillion infrastructure proposal and its $1.8 trillion American Families Plan and adds details on his $1.5 trillion request for annual operating expenditures for the Pentagon and domestic agencies.”
Plus $1.9T for COVID relief so $7.9T. Raises taxes and still can’t balance his budget.
$1T in the hole Joe.....every year
Biden’s budget would run $1.8 trillion deficit next year — and trillion-dollar-plus shortfalls through this decade
President Joe Biden’s budget plan for fiscal 2022 sees trillion-dollar-plus deficits extending through the end of the current decade --- but the White House...
www.marketwatch.com
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What does the projected deficit have to do with your earlier question? The budget proposal is not $6T in new spending. That’s all I was saying, because you seemed to suggest with your question that it was in addition to the other proposed spending plans when it is not.Plus $1.9T for COVID relief so $7.9T. Raises taxes and still can’t balance his budget.
$1T in the hole Joe.....every year
Biden’s budget would run $1.8 trillion deficit next year — and trillion-dollar-plus shortfalls through this decade
President Joe Biden’s budget plan for fiscal 2022 sees trillion-dollar-plus deficits extending through the end of the current decade --- but the White House...
You tried to tell me 6 weeks ago Joes spending was at most $6T...that’s just what he proposed here in new spending after $1.9T in COVID relief....when does it end?
The guys been in office 4 months and is offering $8T in total spending. Free money Joe...making it rain $100 bills.
So far, it’s ended with the Infrastructure and Families plans. Presidents propose annual budgets every year. Trump’s last request was $4.8T. That number plus the portions of Biden’s two plans that would be spent during FY 2022 and his requested increased funding for some federal agencies (including the military, wait, I thought Dems hated the military…) results in the proposed $6T budget for FY 2022. Of course, at this point, ALL of that is only PROPOSED spending. None of it has been approved yet, as Congress has to do that.
But, again, my point here has only been for people to argue based on real numbers. There is overlap between the Infrastructure and Families plans and the proposed FY 2022 budget so you can’t just add them together. $8T is actually accurate for the Covid relief bill combined with what would be spent in FY 2022 if this budget is approved as is (it wont be), so thank you for that. Your question that I responded to was “what’s the total now after Joe’s $6T?” My response was only to point out that the budget proposal was not additional spending aside from what we already knew about and, thus, did not change the total.
I won’t engage in an argument about whether that level of spending is a good or bad thing, but if you want to do that with other posters, use the actual amount of money in question. Even better, argue about whether the things he wants so spend money on should have money spent on them (or what an appropriate level of spending on them might be) rather than arguing that it’s automatically bad because it’s a lot of money.
