Dawand Jones
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Other big time programs have offered him and he is in state and played at a big time in state high school. Why is he not the type of lineman he would want?
Brohm wants mobile lineman. This guy is better suited to what Wisconsin does
Considering how the Minnesota line manhandled us, I think we can use a couple of linemen like Jones.
It is too late at this point. Yes, he doesn’t fit the tackle that Brohm likes, but why not bring him in as a run specialist guard? Seriously, he would guarantee every 4th and one just by falling forward. As easy as it is to miss on linemen, it would have made sense to take a chance on him. Even in a pass happy offense, there are plenty of times when having a man of his size and ability would be useful. I feel that this is one fans will regret Purdue missing on, even if he doesn’t fit the system. Worst case scanrio, you keep him from going to a school that fits him in the Big and having him haunt you for years.
I can agree. I understand where a coach wants a certain type of player to fit his system. And when he has already recruited a certain amount of players for that system, He may not want to go after square pegs for his circle holes. However, Brohm has obviously over recruited WRs where a couple of them will end up playing positions they were not recruited for or have the physical attributes Brohm recruited at that position. So why not sign a player who is great but doesn't quite fit the current mold? In 2 years, under Brohm's coaching, he could learn to fit that mold/system.
You can change blocking schemes to accommodate that. It depends on how stubborn a coach is to find players to fit his philosophy. Obviously other schools who are interested could care less about lateral quickness, or foot speed. It all depends on how big of a factor you place this.
Obviously Painter doesn't care how tall his centers are when he puts Evan and Grady at the 5 position.
Do you look only for players that fit your system? Or are you smart enough to adapt your system to the players you find?
College coaches look for players to fit their system. Especially ones that have been as successful with it as brohm has.
Tiller started chasing stars and it screwed the program over.
As for painter, lol.
Seen this kid play basketball? You wouldn't say he doesn't have these if you've seen the tape.
Kid is an athlete.
You change blocking schemes...you change the entire make up of your offense. You'd be going to a zone blocking scheme which is exactly what teams like Wisconsin, MSU, and Iowa do...they are strictly a run and play action type of team. That isn't remotely close to what Brohm runs in his offense.
Exactly. Bringing in one OL who is suited for a totally different scheme does you no good.
I would agree bringing in one lineman who doesn't fit your current scheme would be foolish.
However who is to say the other recruits are not suited to be in the other type of blocking scheme? As many on this board say, all of our linemen take 2 years to develop before they are utilized anyway . So if Brohm wanted to change his scheme, he'd have plenty of time to do so.
As for blocking schemes, the Packers have used a zone blocking scheme for the entire Rodgers era and have several offensive linemen from Iowa who have been integral starters. The Packers have never been known as a running or play action team. What's developed at Iowa sure seems to work for pro style passing oriented teams. Just some food for thought from a fan.
However who is to say the other recruits are not suited to be in the other type of blocking scheme? As many on this board say, all of our linemen take 2 years to develop before they are utilized anyway . So if Brohm wanted to change his scheme, he'd have plenty of time to do so.
As for blocking schemes, the Packers have used a zone blocking scheme for the entire Rodgers era and have several offensive linemen from Iowa who have been integral starters. The Packers have never been known as a running or play action team. What's developed at Iowa sure seems to work for pro style passing oriented teams. Just some food for thought from a fan.
I also remember the Packers had a DT named RAJI. He was huge and didn't have much lateral movement. In his younger days, he could sometimes pressure the QB. But mostly he just stood there and was an immovable force. He basically forced teams to go to the outside where guys like Matthews was waiting for them.
Now think of having a guy like this on offense. He would be a tremendous zone blocker. And if you put him at guard, you force your defenders to go around the ends. He could open holes and also protect the passer essentially by just standing there.
Now think of having a guy like this on offense. He would be a tremendous zone blocker. And if you put him at guard, you force your defenders to go around the ends. He could open holes and also protect the passer essentially by just standing there.
Brohm isnt just passing oriented. He pulls tackles and guards quite a bit. Also puts them in space.
OSU, SC, Florida, Michigan dont run their offense in a similar manner.
I still think Jones is a fit, especially at RT in this offense. Kid can go and is VERY athletic. I have no clue why he is just now blowing up but he is worth offering and would likely need a year to get ready and be a 4 year starter.
His film mildly reminds me of Ken Plue. Okay player, but he wasnt suited to tackle in college and didnt move well at guard.
He could do well in a scheme that doesnt move players much.
As I recall Plue was also a 4 star o lineman who was basically a flop at Purdue. I believe this lineman will be successful somewhere.
But like Painter, as you have indicated, Brohm has his own style and players he will recruit to fit that style.
And like Painter, it leads me to speculate is his style the one that will be able to elevate this team to a new level or championship? When I see the success some of these other teams recruiting him are enjoying, I wonder if we should not follow their lead? Sure, to some fans that style may be boring, but it does produce results. The key question to ask what is more important? Winning or playing exciting ball?
But like Painter, as you have indicated, Brohm has his own style and players he will recruit to fit that style.
And like Painter, it leads me to speculate is his style the one that will be able to elevate this team to a new level or championship? When I see the success some of these other teams recruiting him are enjoying, I wonder if we should not follow their lead? Sure, to some fans that style may be boring, but it does produce results. The key question to ask what is more important? Winning or playing exciting ball?
Purdue was a dumpster fire prior to Brohm and youre already questioning if he can elevate the program to a championship level?
Also, Tiller chased recruits that didnt fit his style. Massive failure. If someone doesnt fit what you want to do, it is idiotic to force the fit because he has talent. Fails at the college level and the pro level.
Yup. I'm of the opinion if you take over a program and you're going to build it basically from scratch, you build it with the intention of building a championship team rather than building a team to be just above average. I'm of the opinion you should build something to last rather than just for the short term. I'd like to see a team that can not only be good enough to get to a championship game but can also win it.
It also appeared in some of the earlier posts, people were criticizing Iowa, Michigan and Auburn for the type of offense they ran and the type of o line players they recruited. I say if it works, why criticize it? While Brohm has introduced an exciting style of football to Purdue, I kind of like the records of the other schools that were mentioned. I could easily accept boring football if it netted the same results. Iowa and UW have had a pretty good run being boring. Their fans are happy and accept them for what they have become. Auburn fans are rabib for their team as well.
I understand what Brohm is doing. But I also look around and see other schools are even more successful using different styles. Who is to say which style is best or will be the most successful?
I agree there. My question was more to the fact that it is early to assess whether or not he is capable. 2 years ago the program was a laughing stock. Now it is respectable. If he doesnt take the next step to contend in the next 4-5 seasons, then it may be time to evaluate. Dont forget how bad this roster was.
Michigan runs an outdated offense that cant put up points when trying to go score for score. That team was built on defense. The offense held it back. Auburn was a massive disappointment this year. Massive.
You must be new to his posts.Holy hell wolegib, you may want to sit this one out.
What player would you pull the offer to have room to add him...Or do you stop chasing Bell?
The o lineman they have committed are guys they saw in camp and liked enough to offer. I’ll trust Williams/Brohm on that.
I personally, would never turn down a good prospect like Jones. However it’s all up to the coaches. He doesn’t fit the scheme Brohm runs, I see why Brohm didn’t recruit him. Could he always be utilized in a 4th and 1 or goal line situation? Sure. However a player of his ability would Be suited to play at a Michigan or Wisconsin better anyway. He’s not an athletic pulling guard/tackle that Brohm looks for. He’s suited for their needs and Brohm has his own needs at Oline. Nothing more nothing less.
Does anyone know if he would qualify here? Or if there are other problems? I don’t know if there are, but I’m sure the coaches do. Also we need to keep in mind that if a top tier program takes a chance on a recruit and miss it’s not that big a deal, but a rebuilding program it hurts much more.
Find room. Doesn't have to be a recruit per se. Could be a current player who just isn't working out. We have done plenty of that kind of culling in efforts to turn over the roster and get kids out that Hazell recruited who don't belong playing P5 football. This kid is worth it.
Kids seem to respond pretty well (and leave) after hearing they will never play a down here. I know that it didn't work for a few Hazell holdovers but Brohm was true to his word and never played those guys and let them phase out of the program.
It’s not that easy anymore.
NCAA closed the loophole of over signing. It’s a hard cap of 25 now
We have 24. We can sign 1 more and allocate some of the early enrollees to last year's total.
If they want him, they could make it happen. It's moot as they seem they don't.
The early signing period is a good way to suss this out. If a guy won't sign early, give his scholly to somebody who will. Nothing about a commitment is concrete. Either way.
If they want him, they could make it happen. It's moot as they seem they don't.
The early signing period is a good way to suss this out. If a guy won't sign early, give his scholly to somebody who will. Nothing about a commitment is concrete. Either way.
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