Daniels response...what have others heard?

[uelnesm]

I emailed President Daniels about two year back and received a response which indicated we would try to compete, but not get into an arms race.

I emailed him about two weeks back and I blamed him for destroying Purdue football. I explained that my connection to Purdue is throug athletics and I'm confused as to why he has allowed its destruction.

I got back a pretty testy email which indicated 1) he didn't hire the coach 2) he has approved $65m for a football facility and 3) he spent a lot of time hiring the new AD. He then indicated that he is at every football game "spending time with true fans". I guess questioning my lack of desire to travel 2,000 miles to watch the football team.

I was pleased he was testy...I was surprised a bit on the "not my fault we have the current coach".

What else have others heard?

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I emailed President Daniels about two year back and received a response which indicated we would try to compete, but not get into an arms race.

I emailed him about two weeks back and I blamed him for destroying Purdue football. I explained that my connection to Purdue is throug athletics and I'm confused as to why he has allowed its destruction.

I got back a pretty testy email which indicated 1) he didn't hire the coach 2) he has approved $65m for a football facility and 3) he spent a lot of time hiring the new AD. He then indicated that he is at every football game "spending time with true fans". I guess questioning my lack of desire to travel 2,000 miles to watch the football team.

I was pleased he was testy...I was surprised a bit on the "not my fault we have the current coach".

What else have others heard?

Our football facility is going to be nice, but it's merely playing catchup: northwestern and Maryland both have built or are building bigger/better facilities than ours.

Until the funds start drying up, I get the feeling it will be more of the same.

Mitch probably knows all of the "true fans" on a first name basis at this point.

 

[Summy1]

I am surprised he emailed you back. I email him and get no response.

 

[uelnesm]

anything from the new AD?

 

[TheBoris]

Mitch Daniels is the best president Purdue has had since James Smart took the train up to Chicago in 1895 to found the Big Ten Conference. Blaming him for this train wreck (pun intended) football team is childish and inappropriate.

 

[trevman4256]

I'm curious if anyone can elaborate on who controls the AD funds? Is it the decision of the AD to spend money or the President and Board? Who elected/appointed the board? Was it Daniels? Agree with the belief that if the Board controls the checkbook and they do not see the benefit of a successful or at least entertaining football program to fill seats, then what change will ever come?

 

[uelnesm]

Mitch Daniels is the best president Purdue has had since James Smart took the train up to Chicago in 1895 to found the Big Ten Conference. Blaming him for this train wreck (pun intended) football team is childish and inappropriate.

Please....Daniels is the top guy at Purdue.whether he (or you) likes it or not - he's on the hook for whatever happens on that campus. It could be a fraternity acting out. Professors mad at pay or a crappy football team.

To say Daniels is not involved is ridiculous.

Daniels has done a bang up job at Purdue. He is quite amazing.

To allow our athletics to drop off the map is disappointing to me.

 

[BoiledSteel]

I emailed President Daniels about two year back and received a response which indicated we would try to compete, but not get into an arms race.

I emailed him about two weeks back and I blamed him for destroying Purdue football. I explained that my connection to Purdue is throug athletics and I'm confused as to why he has allowed its destruction.

I got back a pretty testy email which indicated 1) he didn't hire the coach 2) he has approved $65m for a football facility and 3) he spent a lot of time hiring the new AD. He then indicated that he is at every football game "spending time with true fans". I guess questioning my lack of desire to travel 2,000 miles to watch the football team.

I was pleased he was testy...I was surprised a bit on the "not my fault we have the current coach".

What else have others heard?

I somehow think this is completely fabricated. Post the email so we can judge. We all want DH gone and now, but come on...

 

[lbodel]

Please....Daniels is the top guy at Purdue.whether he (or you) likes it or not - he's on the hook for whatever happens on that campus. It could be a fraternity acting out. Professors mad at pay or a crappy football team.

To say Daniels is not involved is ridiculous.

Daniels has done a bang up job at Purdue. He is quite amazing.

To allow our athletics to drop off the map is disappointing to me.

The big issue with the Hazell situation is/was the AD transition. Everyone stated Purdue couldn't fire Hazell last year cause of money - which is an easy excuse. But the undeniable reason is that you couldn't fire a coach and then start a hiring process with an AD that was going to retire shortly. Purdue sat on its hands and hoped the football program would improve and then found itself stuck with a lame duck AD. This has nothing to do with liking Burke or not - he's old and at retirement age. But because Purdue was not pro-active (which Daniels is his boss), they basically had to throw this year away because they got caught having to do an AD transition.

 

[lbodel]

Our football facility is going to be nice, but it's merely playing catchup: northwestern and Maryland both have built or are building bigger/better facilities than ours.

Until the funds start drying up, I get the feeling it will be more of the same.

Mitch probably knows all of the "true fans" on a first name basis at this point.

The facility stuff isn't really accurate.

Northwestern and Maryland are both building indoor facilities (NW's may be done, not sure). But you realize neither HAD an indoor facility prior to these projects? Maryland and NW had nowhere to practice in bad weather conditions (and Maryland still doesn't). So this idea that Purdue's playing catch-up to schools that never had an indoor facility to begin with is rather misleading.

Of course new buildings are going to be nice and shinier than a building built 25 years ago, but Purdue's indoor facility is actually quite nice.

Purdue's overall planning of facilities is atrocious (not unique to Purdue as I've seen other big schools build wasted space with no vision for the future - even a school like Clemson). But Purdue's most recent football facility next to Mollenkopf on top of the renovation of the south endzone/building a facility over there. They are just putting band-aids. I mentioned this when they announced the football facility - why not build that as the hub of Purdue football - truly. Build a tunnel into the stadium from the facility that the team comes out of in the student section. They have this massive hill right there - build a facility INTO that hill that connects to Ross-Ade. They just have no vision.

 

[chiboiler7]

I emailed President Daniels about two year back and received a response which indicated we would try to compete, but not get into an arms race.

I emailed him about two weeks back and I blamed him for destroying Purdue football. I explained that my connection to Purdue is throug athletics and I'm confused as to why he has allowed its destruction.

I got back a pretty testy email which indicated 1) he didn't hire the coach 2) he has approved $65m for a football facility and 3) he spent a lot of time hiring the new AD. He then indicated that he is at every football game "spending time with true fans". I guess questioning my lack of desire to travel 2,000 miles to watch the football team.

I was pleased he was testy...I was surprised a bit on the "not my fault we have the current coach".

What else have others heard?

I am amazed he even replied to this childish, passive aggressive e-mail.

 

[BoilerBulldog]

I am amazed he even replied to this childish, passive aggressive e-mail.

He didn't. It's totally fabricated.

 

[AZPurdue007]

I emailed President Daniels about two year back and received a response which indicated we would try to compete, but not get into an arms race.

I emailed him about two weeks back and I blamed him for destroying Purdue football. I explained that my connection to Purdue is throug athletics and I'm confused as to why he has allowed its destruction.

I got back a pretty testy email which indicated 1) he didn't hire the coach 2) he has approved $65m for a football facility and 3) he spent a lot of time hiring the new AD. He then indicated that he is at every football game "spending time with true fans". I guess questioning my lack of desire to travel 2,000 miles to watch the football team.

I was pleased he was testy...I was surprised a bit on the "not my fault we have the current coach".

What else have others heard?

I emailed him about a year ago and received a very gracious reply. He did voice his displeasure at the state of the program but indicated that fixing football is a top priority. I do think they were waiting for MB to retire and bring in the new AD. I'm sure they were holding their breath, hoping that '16 would not be as bad as it is playing out.

 

[Redhotfill]

I emailed President Daniels about two year back and received a response which indicated we would try to compete, but not get into an arms race.

I emailed him about two weeks back and I blamed him for destroying Purdue football. I explained that my connection to Purdue is throug athletics and I'm confused as to why he has allowed its destruction.

I got back a pretty testy email which indicated 1) he didn't hire the coach 2) he has approved $65m for a football facility and 3) he spent a lot of time hiring the new AD. He then indicated that he is at every football game "spending time with true fans". I guess questioning my lack of desire to travel 2,000 miles to watch the football team.

I was pleased he was testy...I was surprised a bit on the "not my fault we have the current coach".

What else have others heard?

Yeah HIS FAULT they should fire him and take him to court if he wants his buy out. I don't think a Lafayette jury in the Lafayette courthouse would find as a "fact" that CDH has "performed his job" under the contract and that they would find for the University not to pay his sorry ass. Even if they lost the suit they would only be out "reasonable" attorney's fees, and interest which these days is about nothing. So Mitch Daniels don't BS anyone about you can't or didn't do anything.

 

[FLAG HUNTER]

Well "fixing the football program" has been talked about over and over and over, how about the ones with the power quit talking and do something about it , unless Purdue likes to be a sure win on opponents schedule.

 

[TheBoris]

Please....Daniels is the top guy at Purdue.whether he (or you) likes it or not - he's on the hook for whatever happens on that campus. It could be a fraternity acting out. Professors mad at pay or a crappy football team.

To say Daniels is not involved is ridiculous.

Daniels has done a bang up job at Purdue. He is quite amazing.

To allow our athletics to drop off the map is disappointing to me.

Hazell was announced as the Purdue HC on Dec 5, 2012. Daniels became the president of Purdue the following month, Jan 2013.

Your use of the word "ridiculous" to describe Daniel's involvement with Hazell's coaching tenure is inappropriate. It better describes what's going on within your goofy head.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Hazell was announced as the Purdue HC on Dec 5, 2012. Daniels became the president of Purdue the following month, Jan 2013.

Your use of the word "ridiculous" to describe Daniel's involvement with Hazell's coaching tenure is inappropriate. It better describes what's going on within your goofy head.

Daniels' isn't on the hook for Hazell in any way. The sad thing is that Morgue will be inducted in to the Purdue Athletic HOF sooner rather than later. I feel sorry for him that when that happens, he will more than likely get booed at his introduction if it is at a football or basketball game. Maybe they can announce it at a home swim meet?

 

[indianphil]

Harry Truman...probably the last real President this country ever had...said it best:"The Buck stops here." Well, President Daniels, you didnt want the mess, but you got it so solve it. Same for Berghoff! I would suggest $25 @ student each semester till things catch up with the rest of the World. Plough the money straight into the Athletic Department.

 

[nat100]

Hazell was announced as the Purdue HC on Dec 5, 2012. Daniels became the president of Purdue the following month, Jan 2013.

Your use of the word "ridiculous" to describe Daniel's involvement with Hazell's coaching tenure is inappropriate. It better describes what's going on within your goofy head.

He was named the president well before he started. He knew more about the hire than he is willing to take credit for now.

 

[lbodel]

I emailed him about a year ago and received a very gracious reply. He did voice his displeasure at the state of the program but indicated that fixing football is a top priority. I do think they were waiting for MB to retire and bring in the new AD. I'm sure they were holding their breath, hoping that '16 would not be as bad as it is playing out.

I'm sure they receive plenty of emails on this subject that there's a blanket response.

I think you're exactly right about the transition - everyone was hoping it would just work itself out instead of being pro-active.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

I'm sure they receive plenty of emails on this subject that there's a blanket response.

I think you're exactly right about the transition - everyone was hoping it would just work itself out instead of being pro-active.

I think you are correct and another poster made mention of something similar. I think most people were hoping for a some what decent season of 4-6 wins that would allow an easy transition of DH2 to step aside in a some what dignified manner after the season...even with a bowl game. However, that can't be hoped for any more and the results of the two loses should signify that it is time to cut bait. If the move isn't made today, I believe Hazell is being made aware that another performance similar to what came about against Maryland at Illinois and he will be shown the door Saturday evening. I wouldn't be surprised to see the most aggressive game plan and in-game decisions made up to this point, IMO.

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

He was named the president well before he started. He knew more about the hire than he is willing to take credit for now.

LOL he has always claimed he had nothing to do with it. His story has never changed. Good try.

 

[nat100]

LOL he has always claimed he had nothing to do with it. His story has never changed. Good try.

Plausible deniability

 

[TC4THREE]

Why should he have anything to do with it?

As far as I'm concerned, the president should do his best to support the athletic department but get out of the way when it comes to things like coaching decisions. If he has fixed the problem regarding the BTN revenue being taken out of the athletic department which causes us to compete at a disadvantage compared to our peers, then he has done what I would hope a president would do in regards to athletics. He has also hired the athletic director that will decide where the program goes from here. Now he has to get out of the way and let him do his job.

In my opinion, Daniels has done an excellent job at controlling costs to keep tuition frozen for a number of years and I have heard his connections have served well for fundraising so those are the types of things I would want the president to be focused on.

 

[nat100]

In my opinion, Daniels has done an excellent job at controlling costs to keep tuition frozen for a number of years and I have heard his connections have served well for fundraising so those are the types of things I would want the president to be focused on.

From what i have heard, football has come up several times when he has gone to the bigger donors for non football donations. He shouldnt be involved theoretically, but it impacts his efforts.

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

Plausible deniability

or you're just making things up...

 

[nat100]

or you're just making things up...

or i dont take career politicians at their word.

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

or i dont take career politicians at their word.

or rando message board posters.

 

[boilermaker75]

Why should he have anything to do with it?

As far as I'm concerned, the president should do his best to support the athletic department but get out of the way when it comes to things like coaching decisions. If he has fixed the problem regarding the BTN revenue being taken out of the athletic department which causes us to compete at a disadvantage compared to our peers, then he has done what I would hope a president would do in regards to athletics. He has also hired the athletic director that will decide where the program goes from here. Now he has to get out of the way and let him do his job.

In my opinion, Daniels has done an excellent job at controlling costs to keep tuition frozen for a number of years and I have heard his connections have served well for fundraising so those are the types of things I would want the president to be focused on.

Could you give me some examples of how he has controlled costs?

 

[TC4THREE]

Could you give me some examples of how he has controlled costs?

http://www.wsj.com/articles/at-purdue-a-case-study-in-cost-cuts-1406326502

 

[TheBoris]

Harry Truman...probably the last real President this country ever had...said it best:"The Buck stops here." Well, President Daniels, you didnt want the mess, but you got it so solve it. Same for Berghoff! I would suggest $25 @ student each semester till things catch up with the rest of the World. Plough the money straight into the Athletic Department.

No no no. You are now distorting the the issue being discussed. Hazell was hired before Daniels became president and it is would require extrasensory perception for Mitch to scope out that Hazell was a bad hire and fire him before he had coached a game. That scenario is flat-out wacko.

Today, in the here and now, Daniels was actively involved with the hiring of the new AD and the latter in turn makes no bones about it: Football Must Be Fixed.

If Bobinski screws up the new coach hire and we're in the same sorry condition four years from now, than we can hand Mitch a hearty platter of blame and fault. But no way is he responsible for hiring Hazell regardless of what the moon beams coming into your tin foil hat tell you.

 

[TheCainer]

Our football facility is going to be nice, but it's merely playing catchup: northwestern and Maryland both have built or are building bigger/better facilities than ours.

Until the funds start drying up, I get the feeling it will be more of the same.

Mitch probably knows all of the "true fans" on a first name basis at this point.

And he's getting easier to spot.

 

[lbodel]

I think you are correct and another poster made mention of something similar. I think most people were hoping for a some what decent season of 4-6 wins that would allow an easy transition of DH2 to step aside in a some what dignified manner after the season...even with a bowl game. However, that can't be hoped for any more and the results of the two loses should signify that it is time to cut bait. If the move isn't made today, I believe Hazell is being made aware that another performance similar to what came about against Maryland at Illinois and he will be shown the door Saturday evening. I wouldn't be surprised to see the most aggressive game plan and in-game decisions made up to this point, IMO.

But that's the problem. You shouldn't need some big closed door meeting that you can't have another game like x or y or z. If you're at that point, then the ship has sailed. If they suddenly decide to pull out all the stops against a not that great Illinois team - who cares? He's had over 3 seasons to give ANY sort of positive hope for the program and he hasn't at all.

You either step up to the table and fire him, or you support him. You can't pull this well I'll support you if you do this this weekend.

 

[TC4THREE]

You either step up to the table and fire him, or you support him. You can't pull this well I'll support you if you do this this weekend.

I personally feel you support him at least until this season gets past a point of no return (which it hasn't yet at 2-2) otherwise it was stupid to have him start the year to begin with.

That said, if you just decided after last game that you're stopping to support him, why couldn't someone else make that same decision after another game? I get that different people will feel differently but I think it's wrong to suggest it's now or not to the end of the season. That seems inconsistent to me.

 

[BoilerBiker]

I personally feel you support him at least until this season gets past a point of no return (which it hasn't yet at 2-2) otherwise it was stupid to have him start the year to begin with.
.

What's the point of no return then?
What is the metric for improvement?
Would improvement of Losing by single digits be enough?
Be competitive through half time be enough?
I tend to agree but others have argued why we did not & could not get rid of him at the beginning of the year also
(including your example of having no replacement)

 

[TC4THREE]

What's the point of no return then?
What is the metric for improvement?
Would improvement of Losing by single digits be enough?
Be competitive through half time be enough?
I tend to agree but others have argued why we did not & could not get rid of him at the beginning of the year also
(including your example of having no replacement)

I'd say when it's no longer possible for the team to attain the minimum expectations for the season. I saw several people suggest the minimum expectations was 6 wins. At 2-2, that isn't out of reach. In fact, it's even on pace to do so. Indeed it appears improbable given their play on Saturday and that they probably don't have 2 more opponents as weak as the two teams they beat but I'd define the point of no return as 7 losses on the season.

 

[Bluto71]

I emailed President Daniels about two year back and received a response which indicated we would try to compete, but not get into an arms race.

I emailed him about two weeks back and I blamed him for destroying Purdue football. I explained that my connection to Purdue is throug athletics and I'm confused as to why he has allowed its destruction.

I got back a pretty testy email which indicated 1) he didn't hire the coach 2) he has approved $65m for a football facility and 3) he spent a lot of time hiring the new AD. He then indicated that he is at every football game "spending time with true fans". I guess questioning my lack of desire to travel 2,000 miles to watch the football team.

I was pleased he was testy...I was surprised a bit on the "not my fault we have the current coach".

What else have others heard?

I know Mitch and him firing off a "testy" email to someone is entirely within his repertoire.
That being said, he wasn't president when Hazell washed. he may have been told about it, but at that point he knew nothing about of The Morgue ran things and, frankly, did;t give a damn about the athletic situation at Purdue. He was about to take over one of the largest universities in the world, having never worked in academia. To say he had other things on his mind trivializes the situation.
Once he got there and learned what was going on he learned what the AD was all about. Mitch hates to be embarrassed. he hates getting critical emails and, above all, he hates bureaucrats. I leave it you to figure out the timing of The Morgues retirement.
He has a partner in the new BOT chair. They like and trust each other and, they are both sports fans.
He will get this turned around, with the support of Berghoff and the rest of the BOT.

 

[ChiBoiler07]

I am amazed he even replied to this childish, passive aggressive e-mail.

Wait a second... You have GOT to change that name.... I've never seen you before as I rarely come to the free board, but whoa...

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

I will give Daniels credit where it is due. He has done some great things for Purdue, especially given the utterly craptastic situation Cordova put Purdue in athletically and academically. I still don't agree with most of his policies as Governor (especially working in the public education system), but he has done some good things in cleaning up the obvious wasteful ways Purdue was falling in to.

 

[lbodel]

I personally feel you support him at least until this season gets past a point of no return (which it hasn't yet at 2-2) otherwise it was stupid to have him start the year to begin with.

That said, if you just decided after last game that you're stopping to support him, why couldn't someone else make that same decision after another game? I get that different people will feel differently but I think it's wrong to suggest it's now or not to the end of the season. That seems inconsistent to me.

The only reason he came back is because Purdue got caught with its pants down with a lame duck AD. It wasn't the buyout or what not - they couldn't fire him and hire a new coach with a lame duck AD (which has nothing to do with whether you like him or not).

So with that being said....this season is done. I don't even think a 6 win season would change it (remember Hope went to a bowl game when he got fired!). It's too little, too late. And there's no signs of improvement in recruiting either. You can't wait 15 years for the slowest turn-around in history. Hell, look at IU. They've been rather patient with Wilson, but at least they've seen signs/reason for optimism. There have been in-roads on the field, there has been in-roads in recruiting, there's a vision, etc.