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[GMM]

Re: There it is

I think these are all examples of self-confidence; we aren't afraid to bring in other cultures precisely because we don't view them as a threat to our way of life.

If we were self-confident we'd insist they assimilate.

At what point do we realize that they're changing us and not the other way around? Do you want to end up like that Jew walking through Muslim neighborhoods in Paris?

 

[kescwi]

Re: There it is

You can dance around all you want, you can make your "encouragement" sound like Western Muslims hitting the lottery just to leave the West, You just won't admit what the next step will be when your nonviolent, payment, approach fails at inception. Then where do you go? Full blown genocide or is there another less violent step or two that would be taken first?

Yeah that is pretty much, blah, blah, blah hate.

 

[GMM]

Yes

Full blown genocide. Great analysis!

Its amazing how the self-loathing Westerner's mindset works. Someone has the gall to 1) defend the West and 2) criticize Islam so the response is an accusation of desiring "full blown genocide". Meanwhile, Muslims are waging actual full blown genocide but you don't criticize them. That would be "hate" to do that.

 

[kescwi]

Re: Yes

Tell me what forcibly evicting people from their homes and deporting them due to their religious beliefs qualify as?

 

[qazplm]

no if we were self-confident

we'd assume the worth of our ideals would naturally lead to them assimilating.

Which is pretty much exactly what happens.

 

[gr8indoorsman]

Re: There it is

I am in no way afraid that I will be like that Jew in Paris. Sorry. I'm more self-confident in America than you are. I think 99.999% of Muslims in America assimilate just fine, just like 99.999% of people in general do.

 

[GMM]

Re: Yes

Wow. Whoever said anything about "forcibly evicting people from their homes and deporting them due to their religious beliefs"?

Truly amazing how much you guys will exaggerate. Anything to defend Islam.

 

[kescwi]

Re: Yes

Oh so if they turn down the money you would offer for them to leave the West, then you have no problem if they stay in the West and practice their religion?

 

[GMM]

Re: Yes

Let's make it easier for you. Imagine instead we're talking about Nazis. Now, there's an ideology I assume you don't like.

Should we have imported Nazis during WWII? Should we import them now? Do you have a problem with people here who are Nazis? How does our society treat that ideology?

Do any of your answers constitute "hate"?

 

[gr8indoorsman]

Re: Yes

Stop deflecting. He asked you a question and you just flat out didn't answer it. The US offers to pay the Muslim family to leave the US and they refuse. They also refuse to stop practicing Islam. What now?

Answer the question.

 

[GMM]

Re: Yes

Nothing.

I've already answered this question before. But you and others keep imagining these scenarios so you can make your pathetic charges of "hate" or "racism" or "fear" blah blah blah.

Now, since we're in the mode of demanding answers......what would it take for you to realize that importing Muslims is bad for America?

 

[gr8indoorsman]

Re: Yes

Originally posted by GMM:
Nothing.

That's what I thought. Your idea is to do nothing. Everything else is just a bunch of hot air. End of discussion.

 

[GMM]

Re: Yes

That's what I thought.

Me too. You guys keep desperately searching for some demonic plan so you can dismiss the idea that Muslim immigration to the West has been bad for the West. When you don't find such a plan you end the discussion.

 

[kescwi]

Re: Yes

We, in the case of Nazi's, unlike your little word play with Muslims, did seek out and import a few after WWII.

There are Nazi's here today, I don't doubt some immigrate here from time to time but until they break the law by burning down synagogues, vandalizing homes and businesses, participating in pogroms...there is nothing that can be done to the individuals who choose to believe in the ideology.

 

[kescwi]

Re: Yes

Nothing? So you're a liberal who wants to spend taxpayer money on a sure to fail program and then do nothing after it fails.

There is no imagining anything, all you attempt to do in post after post is create anger and loathing for "Islam." You've claimed in this thread that it's simple existence in the West changes who we are, it is that large a threat, just because Islam is in the West our lives are being negatively altered. And your solution to this threat is to offer some money and when that doesn't work you' would want...nothing done?

Right, as I said earlier, you won't man up and take your ideas to their logical conclusion, anger and hate, and as gr8 pointed, hot air, that's all you offer

This post was edited on 2/26 10:24 AM by kescwi

 

[GMM]

After WWII?

You mean, when the Nazi party had ceased to exist thanks to a brutal war pursuing unconditional surrender. Its quite a different thing to do that than during WWII. BTW, what did we do to Nazis who were here during WWII?

There are Nazi's here today, I don't doubt some immigrate here from time to time but until they break the law by burning down synagogues, vandalizing homes and businesses, participating in pogroms...there is nothing that can be done to the individuals who choose to believe in the ideology.

Wrong. We can certainly choose to not allow them to immigrate. Would you be for that? We can certainly choose to criticize and mock their ideology--we already do that. We can certainly remind them and ourselves about the awful things done in the name of their ideology-we already do that too. Why can't we do the same for Islam?

 

[GMM]

Re: Yes

Nothing? So you're a liberal who wants to spend taxpayer money on a sure to fail program and then do nothing after it fails.

What do we do when the police "fail" to stop crime? I guess in your mind that means we have to do "nothing".

The "nothing" was in response to what the government would do. No, the government shouldn't deport somebody merely for being Muslim, aka do "nothing". Culturally, on the other hand, we certainly can do something. But any such effort would be deemed by you as "hate".

In all its obvious that you and others are much more comfortable denouncing critics of Islam/Muslims than actually acknowledging the threat that Islam poses. Being a running dog for political correctness must be more satifsfying to you.

 

[kescwi]

Re: Yes

Good lord, okay. In GMM world, it's ten years from now and we have paid some Muslims, who were willing to take the money, to leave the West. Not all of them took the West up on the offer so now we are going change them culturally, how are we going to do that?

 

[kescwi]

Re: After WWII?

the party ceased to exist, I see. Which is more important the name of the party or the ideology? Neo-Nazi's are alive and well in Germany today, it's not against the law to be a neo-nazi.

It's funny how you guys hate the inquisition being brought up but how are you going to determine if someone belives a region or ideology? I mean if they know they are going to punished they will simply say no when asked so there would need to be some sort of system in place to prove or disprove if a person is adhering to Islam. I wonder what that system would look like.

 

[GMM]

Re: Yes

It'd be great if the news industry didn't shield us from the truth of Islam and the actions of Muslims.

It'd be even greater if the entertainment industry did its best to undermine Islam the same way its done to our Judeo-Christian heritage for decades.

 

[GMM]

Re: After WWII?

......but how are you going to determine if someone belives a region or ideology?

You seem to be able to do it: "Neo-Nazi's are alive and well in Germany today"

Once again you fantasize about the West being eeeeevil so you can denounce it. Much better than denouncing Islam for the evil its doing in the real world.

 

[kescwi]

Re: Yes

Good lord, again, you got nothing but impotent anger.

Why is it you're so afraid of opposing views that you want the news and entertainment industries to only produce your version of reality? You sure don't seem to have much confidence in your ideas surviving if exposed to light.

FoxNews is out there and I thought you were the one pointing out how conservative movies do far better box office numbers than liberal movies so whats the problem?

 

[kescwi]

Re: After WWII?

Man, reality scares you, yes neo nazis exist in Germany, how is that fantasizing about the evil West?

 

[GMM]

Re: After WWII?

Your fantasies involve what you think the West would do to defend itself against Islam. You can only see that as evil.

 

[GMM]

Re: Yes

Why is it you're so afraid of opposing views that you want the news and entertainment industries to only produce your version of reality?

Ha! "only"? Again, more fantasies.

FoxNews is out there........

The overwhelming majority of the news industry leans left. Therefore they protect threats against the West. Besides, FNC only does a little bit to expose Islam and its adherents. Much more could be done.

I suppose that last sentence is going to trigger more of your fantasies.

....and I thought you were the one pointing out how conservative movies do far better box office numbers than liberal movies so whats the problem?

Yeah, they do better at the box office. Why then are there so few of them? Becaus the entertainment media leans left. They'd much rather protect Islam (and they do) than criticize it. Meanwhile they'd much rather attack (and they do) the West.

 

[kescwi]

Re: After WWII?

I don't think the West needs to defend itself against Islam. That's your fantasy.

Are there dangerous people in the world, yep always have been, always will be, that's reality.

 

[kescwi]

Re: Yes

What is the problem, my use of "only" is a supposed fantasy but then apparently its not enough that your views get exposure it's that there is apparently easier access to opposing views, talk about fantasy. My remote seems to work the same regardless of the channel I switch to or movie I pick.

 

[beardownboiler]

Originally posted by kescwi:

Originally posted by GMM:
The problem is that people like you won't allow for anything violent to be seen as authentically Islamic. You insist that people like that have "perverted" Islam. In that way, you're a "fundamentalist".

Did Mohammed pervert Islam?

Second, pastorjoe is right on. If a group of Christians came along and
said, we don't think the OT was made obsolete, we live our lives as if
the OT laws are still in effect. They'd be abiding by old school
thinking, and they'd be doing so with an inaccurate understanding
towards Christianity. Yes?

No...Either you accept the NT or you're not a Christian.

What part of the NT do you accept? Please tell us what specific aspects of the NT you adhere to that make you a Christian.

Where, in the NT, does that "dude" Christ get angry?

Where does he react to, or advise reacting to violence with violence?

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Dude gets angry when the religious establishment sets up a market outside the temple. That's in there. I mean, he's pissed because the establishment is taking advantage of the faith of the poor/masses, but he's still angry.

Also, GMM needs to understand that nobody here is really ripping Christianity. They are saying there are some people acting outside the bounds of it (acting in a non-Christian way). Many in this thread agree that Christianity is very good, but that some try to use it for ill.

 

[kescwi]

What is funny to me is that he probably holds some modern Christians who took the NT literally, and who did dramatically changed the West, in contempt just as he fantasizes Islamic literalism are doing.

I doubt he has a picture of Tolstoy on his wall, I doubt Gandhi and MLK are heros to him, But Tolstoy became obsessed with the litteral interpretation of the NT and he and his writings influenced both Ganhdi and MLK and their nonviolent disobedience movements.

GMM just cant see its literalism he dislikes, it doesn't matter if it's Christian, Jewish, Islam...

 

[gr8indoorsman]

Re: Yes

Originally posted by GMM:
That's what I thought.

Me too. You guys keep desperately searching for some demonic plan so you can dismiss the idea that Muslim immigration to the West has been bad for the West. When you don't find such a plan you end the discussion.

What I want is for you to suggest something useful, but you can't because you understand this isn't a problem that can be solved in the manner in which you're espousing to solve it.

GMM: "Stop importing Islam."
Me: "How?"
GMM: "I dunno..."
Me: "What about the people here already that won't do what you want them to? What then?"
GMM: "Nuthin."

Good talk.

 

[gr8indoorsman]

Re: Yes

When the police attempt to persuade someone to do something IAW law, and that person refuses, that person is arrested.

What you've suggested is attempting to persuade Muslims to act IAW culture, via financial motivation, encouragement, or threat of deportation. When they refuse, your solution is to do "nothing" because you know that what you are proposing is infeasible.

Hot. Air.

I'd actually have more respect for you if you were stating that we should make the practice of Islam illegal and arrest or deport Muslims who refused to convert, because then you'd be taking your stated belief even further. You're unwilling to do that, presumably, because it conflicts with your views as a Constitutionalist conservative. Or maybe it's because you recognize that that would indeed be another Christian Inquisition, and you don't want that either (rightly).

I've come around on you. I recognize that you're not full of hate; you're just afraid, and people think and react differently to fear.

 

[gr8indoorsman]

Re: Yes

keswci:

Good lord, okay. In GMM world, it's ten years from now
and we have paid some Muslims, who were willing to take the money, to
leave the West. Not all of them took the West up on the offer so now we
are going change them culturally, how are we going to do that?Originally posted by GMM:
It'd be great if the news industry didn't shield us from the truth of Islam and the actions of Muslims.

It'd be even greater if the entertainment industry did its best to undermine Islam the same way its done to our Judeo-Christian heritage for decades.

More unrelated deflection. Answer the question. It's not up to the media and the entertainment industry to shape our beliefs and politics, nor are they accountable for our culture.