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Courtney greene has the game. Betting? NM

Yeah that reffing performance down the stretch was almost comical - sure looked like they were working to the spread…
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Iowa had 13 fouls to Purdue’s 8, come on guys, this Green stuff is silly. Purdue had 1 first half foul, he’s not in on elaborate fixes. No doubt there was some missed calls in the second half, there was also some missed calls in the first half on Purdue, I saw a few over the backs they let go that could have been called. I bet Purdue, at no time did I think Purdue was getting hosed.
 
purduedavie said:
Iowa had 13 fouls to Purdue’s 8, come on guys, this Green stuff is silly. Purdue had 1 first half foul, he’s not in on elaborate fixes. No doubt there was some missed calls in the second half, there was also some missed calls in the first half on Purdue, I saw a few over the backs they let go that could have been called. I bet Purdue, at no time did I think Purdue was getting hosed.
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It's not just about the numbers of fouls. Iowa was holding and pushing and tugging and reaching all night long, especially on Zach. Teams are starting to realize that refs will not call everything when it comes to how they beat him up. And it is going to cost us somewhere.
 
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Iowa had 13 fouls to Purdue’s 8, come on guys, this Green stuff is silly. Purdue had 1 first half foul, he’s not in on elaborate fixes. No doubt there was some missed calls in the second half, there was also some missed calls in the first half on Purdue, I saw a few over the backs they let go that could have been called. I bet Purdue, at no time did I think Purdue was getting hosed.
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No such thing as over the back, might want to read up in the rule book.
 
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It's not just about the numbers of fouls. Iowa was holding and pushing and tugging and reaching all night long, especially on Zach. Teams are starting to realize that refs will not call everything when it comes to how they beat him up. And it is going to cost us somewhere.
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I’d rather see a more physical game than ticky tack fouls called all night, trust me, that in the long run helps us, there’s a reason that Purdue has the least fouls called against them, the officials in this league let them play. I worry that in the dance they’ll call ticky tack stuff against Edey, he goes over the back but because of his height he really doesn’t foul, refs in the tourney might decide to just call them on him. I do agree that when Iowa was pressing that two fouls should have been called, I yelled on one of them. I still rather watch a game where teams play instead of watching a Free Throw shooting contest, the less fouls called is better for Purdue.
 
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No such thing as over the back, might want to read up in the rule book.
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Do you believe that? Often on over the back they’ll be contact, refs call it, in the Big Ten they don’t that often, it benefits Purdue. At any rate, every game we get the Purdue is getting hosed comments from people, Purdue had 1 foul in the entire first half yesterday, people were still complaining, give me Big Ten refs anyday over refs that call fouls every other possession, those games are brutal to watch. I will agree in the second half Iowa got away with at least two fouls on the press, my wife yelled at me to settle down lol. Also, let’s be honest, Green isn’t going to risk his career and possible jail time to make sure Purdue doesn’t cover spreads, that talk is silly.
 
This is a copy/paste from an officiating forum, but it does a really good job explaining there is no such thing as "over the back".


Dispelling the Myth: “Over the back!”​


If you have ever been to a game, you’ve heard it. Two players jump for a rebound and the player from behind gets the ball. “Over the back!” You’ve heard it from coaches. You’ll hear from other fans. We all hear it when we watch a game on TV. But the truth is, it doesn’t exist. There’s no such thing as “Over the back.”

“Over the back” is what officials refer to as “announcerspeak.” It has its origin with the talking heads that grace our airwaves from November to March. Years ago, someone like Dick Vitale or Billy Packer uttered the words, “Over the back!” We don’t really know who said it. We don’t know when it happened. But we know that more rules myths and fallacies have been created by television’s talking heads than any other source known to man. This particular myth is so widespread that even some officials mistakenly use the term. Unfortunately, this simply further perpetuates the myth.

The common misconception is that anytime the player who has inside position doesn’t get the rebound, then it has to be “Over the back!” It doesn’t matter if there was contact or not. That’s the myth. It’s as though verticality doesn’t exist. Rebounding is governed by the principle of verticality, just like other phases of the game that allow a player to legally occupy a space on the floor. Every player is entitled to a spot on the floor provided the player obtains the spot without illegally contacting an opponent. He is allowed to jump vertically within his established space and have his hands and arms extended within his vertical plane. He is allowed this opportunity without regard to where his opponent is positioned.

When a shot goes up, many players go to great lengths to maneuver for position. When the ball rebounds off the board or rim, contact can occur between two opponents going for the ball. But just because contact occurs, it does not mean a foul has occurred. If both players are jumping within their vertical plane, then any contact that occurs is incidental. It is not a foul on the player who is rebounding from behind his opponent just because he is behind him. The player who has position between his opponent and the basket is given no more protection or consideration than his opponent. As long as both players stay within their vertical plane, a foul shouldn’t be called.
We also hear many fans yell, “Over the back!” when a taller player reaches over a shorter opponent from behind and snags a rebound, even if he doesn’t touch his shorter opponent. Is this a foul? Of course not. First, there has to be contact for a foul to occur. Second, that contact has to be illegal. Finally, why should a player be penalized simply because he’s able to reach above an opponent and rebound the ball without contacting him?

You’re probably thinking, “If there’s no such thing as ‘Over the back,’ when does a foul occur?” A foul occurs when actual illegal contact occurs. A foul occurs when either player displaces their opponent. Without regard to who has better position, a player who pushes and displaces the opponent has fouled. When the player from behind violates the opposing player’s vertical plane and displaces him, it’s a foul. By the same token, the player in front can jump backwards and foul. Having the inside position does not guarantee the player a rebound or a foul. Many times, you’ll see the inside player jump into the player from behind, who simply went up within his vertical plane. “That’s over the back ref!” No, I’m afraid it’s not. That’s a foul on the inside player.
Along those same lines, players can legally box out an opponent. Boxing out is simply a form of screening. But players who are attempting to box out can also foul. We refer to this as “backing out” versus “boxing out.” A player who is boxing out is not allowed to displace his opponent by backing him out, anymore than a player is allowed to push an opponent in front of him. That’s a foul. Whether a player is using his hands or his body, it’s still a foul to push and displace an opponent. We also see players who will back under a player who has leaped vertically for a rebound. We once again hear cries of “Over the back!” But it’s the player who is backing out that has violated the rebounder’s verticality.

I’m certain that we’ll continue to hear cries of “Over the back!” We’ll continue to hear from fans, coaches, players, and yes, unfortunately, a few officials. But you’ll know better. There is no such thing as “Over the back.”
 
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NVBoilerFan said:
This is a copy/paste from an officiating forum, but it does a really good job explaining there is no such thing as "over the back".


Dispelling the Myth: “Over the back!”​


If you have ever been to a game, you’ve heard it. Two players jump for a rebound and the player from behind gets the ball. “Over the back!” You’ve heard it from coaches. You’ll hear from other fans. We all hear it when we watch a game on TV. But the truth is, it doesn’t exist. There’s no such thing as “Over the back.”

“Over the back” is what officials refer to as “announcerspeak.” It has its origin with the talking heads that grace our airwaves from November to March. Years ago, someone like Dick Vitale or Billy Packer uttered the words, “Over the back!” We don’t really know who said it. We don’t know when it happened. But we know that more rules myths and fallacies have been created by television’s talking heads than any other source known to man. This particular myth is so widespread that even some officials mistakenly use the term. Unfortunately, this simply further perpetuates the myth.

The common misconception is that anytime the player who has inside position doesn’t get the rebound, then it has to be “Over the back!” It doesn’t matter if there was contact or not. That’s the myth. It’s as though verticality doesn’t exist. Rebounding is governed by the principle of verticality, just like other phases of the game that allow a player to legally occupy a space on the floor. Every player is entitled to a spot on the floor provided the player obtains the spot without illegally contacting an opponent. He is allowed to jump vertically within his established space and have his hands and arms extended within his vertical plane. He is allowed this opportunity without regard to where his opponent is positioned.

When a shot goes up, many players go to great lengths to maneuver for position. When the ball rebounds off the board or rim, contact can occur between two opponents going for the ball. But just because contact occurs, it does not mean a foul has occurred. If both players are jumping within their vertical plane, then any contact that occurs is incidental. It is not a foul on the player who is rebounding from behind his opponent just because he is behind him. The player who has position between his opponent and the basket is given no more protection or consideration than his opponent. As long as both players stay within their vertical plane, a foul shouldn’t be called.
We also hear many fans yell, “Over the back!” when a taller player reaches over a shorter opponent from behind and snags a rebound, even if he doesn’t touch his shorter opponent. Is this a foul? Of course not. First, there has to be contact for a foul to occur. Second, that contact has to be illegal. Finally, why should a player be penalized simply because he’s able to reach above an opponent and rebound the ball without contacting him?

You’re probably thinking, “If there’s no such thing as ‘Over the back,’ when does a foul occur?” A foul occurs when actual illegal contact occurs. A foul occurs when either player displaces their opponent. Without regard to who has better position, a player who pushes and displaces the opponent has fouled. When the player from behind violates the opposing player’s vertical plane and displaces him, it’s a foul. By the same token, the player in front can jump backwards and foul. Having the inside position does not guarantee the player a rebound or a foul. Many times, you’ll see the inside player jump into the player from behind, who simply went up within his vertical plane. “That’s over the back ref!” No, I’m afraid it’s not. That’s a foul on the inside player.
Along those same lines, players can legally box out an opponent. Boxing out is simply a form of screening. But players who are attempting to box out can also foul. We refer to this as “backing out” versus “boxing out.” A player who is boxing out is not allowed to displace his opponent by backing him out, anymore than a player is allowed to push an opponent in front of him. That’s a foul. Whether a player is using his hands or his body, it’s still a foul to push and displace an opponent. We also see players who will back under a player who has leaped vertically for a rebound. We once again hear cries of “Over the back!” But it’s the player who is backing out that has violated the rebounder’s verticality.

I’m certain that we’ll continue to hear cries of “Over the back!” We’ll continue to hear from fans, coaches, players, and yes, unfortunately, a few officials. But you’ll know better. There is no such thing as “Over the back.”
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I agree, however, it gets called because many times there’s lower body contact/pushing. Edey does a great job with this, however, there’s been times I’ve watched Purdue get away with shoves, the lack of foul calls benefits Purdue. Purdue plays in your face defense, dives for loose balls, nudges players etc, I love watching basketball like they play. I can’t stand games where teams are in the bonus midway thru a half, sometimes it’s warranted, sometimes it’s because refs are calling ticky tack fouls. Look, I realize on fan boards/heat of the moment people will get pissed on a missed call, however, if the missed call goes Purdue’s way we tend to overlook it. The entire Courtney Green is making sure Purdue doesn’t cover narrative is silly, Iowa at one point in the second half was 16-20
Shooting, a whole lot of teams are going make a run shooting like that. Eventually they started missing again and Purdue easily covered.
 
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This is a copy/paste from an officiating forum, but it does a really good job explaining there is no such thing as "over the back".


Dispelling the Myth: “Over the back!”​

If you have ever been to a game, you’ve heard it. Two players jump for a rebound and the player from behind gets the ball. “Over the back!” You’ve heard it from coaches. You’ll hear from other fans. We all hear it when we watch a game on TV. But the truth is, it doesn’t exist. There’s no such thing as “Over the back.”

“Over the back” is what officials refer to as “announcerspeak.” It has its origin with the talking heads that grace our airwaves from November to March. Years ago, someone like Dick Vitale or Billy Packer uttered the words, “Over the back!” We don’t really know who said it. We don’t know when it happened. But we know that more rules myths and fallacies have been created by television’s talking heads than any other source known to man. This particular myth is so widespread that even some officials mistakenly use the term. Unfortunately, this simply further perpetuates the myth.

The common misconception is that anytime the player who has inside position doesn’t get the rebound, then it has to be “Over the back!” It doesn’t matter if there was contact or not. That’s the myth. It’s as though verticality doesn’t exist. Rebounding is governed by the principle of verticality, just like other phases of the game that allow a player to legally occupy a space on the floor. Every player is entitled to a spot on the floor provided the player obtains the spot without illegally contacting an opponent. He is allowed to jump vertically within his established space and have his hands and arms extended within his vertical plane. He is allowed this opportunity without regard to where his opponent is positioned.

When a shot goes up, many players go to great lengths to maneuver for position. When the ball rebounds off the board or rim, contact can occur between two opponents going for the ball. But just because contact occurs, it does not mean a foul has occurred. If both players are jumping within their vertical plane, then any contact that occurs is incidental. It is not a foul on the player who is rebounding from behind his opponent just because he is behind him. The player who has position between his opponent and the basket is given no more protection or consideration than his opponent. As long as both players stay within their vertical plane, a foul shouldn’t be called.
We also hear many fans yell, “Over the back!” when a taller player reaches over a shorter opponent from behind and snags a rebound, even if he doesn’t touch his shorter opponent. Is this a foul? Of course not. First, there has to be contact for a foul to occur. Second, that contact has to be illegal. Finally, why should a player be penalized simply because he’s able to reach above an opponent and rebound the ball without contacting him?

You’re probably thinking, “If there’s no such thing as ‘Over the back,’ when does a foul occur?” A foul occurs when actual illegal contact occurs. A foul occurs when either player displaces their opponent. Without regard to who has better position, a player who pushes and displaces the opponent has fouled. When the player from behind violates the opposing player’s vertical plane and displaces him, it’s a foul. By the same token, the player in front can jump backwards and foul. Having the inside position does not guarantee the player a rebound or a foul. Many times, you’ll see the inside player jump into the player from behind, who simply went up within his vertical plane. “That’s over the back ref!” No, I’m afraid it’s not. That’s a foul on the inside player.
Along those same lines, players can legally box out an opponent. Boxing out is simply a form of screening. But players who are attempting to box out can also foul. We refer to this as “backing out” versus “boxing out.” A player who is boxing out is not allowed to displace his opponent by backing him out, anymore than a player is allowed to push an opponent in front of him. That’s a foul. Whether a player is using his hands or his body, it’s still a foul to push and displace an opponent. We also see players who will back under a player who has leaped vertically for a rebound. We once again hear cries of “Over the back!” But it’s the player who is backing out that has violated the rebounder’s verticality.

I’m certain that we’ll continue to hear cries of “Over the back!” We’ll continue to hear from fans, coaches, players, and yes, unfortunately, a few officials. But you’ll know better. There is no such thing as “Over the back.”
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I see the comments very similar to "he lowered his shoulder for a charge" as two players are moving at similar speed and much closer to parallel than moving perpendicular to each other. It is also part of the reason why some coaches will say go to where the ball is coming down rather than just jumping IMO
 
purduedavie said:
I’d rather see a more physical game than ticky tack fouls called all night, trust me, that in the long run helps us, there’s a reason that Purdue has the least fouls called against them, the officials in this league let them play. I worry that in the dance they’ll call ticky tack stuff against Edey, he goes over the back but because of his height he really doesn’t foul, refs in the tourney might decide to just call them on him. I do agree that when Iowa was pressing that two fouls should have been called, I yelled on one of them. I still rather watch a game where teams play instead of watching a Free Throw shooting contest, the less fouls called is better for Purdue. I recently discovered a website that provides a comprehensive list of bookmakers where you can place bets on dog racing. The list https://legalbet.uk/betting-sites/sets/greyhound/ is extensive and includes a variety of reputable betting sites. With this valuable resource, I now have the opportunity to join in on the excitement and start placing my own bets on dog races. It’s a great way to enhance my experience and potentially earn some winnings.
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I agree here, but we are usually left with no choice.
 
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