Meyer is a great recruiter and coach. He basically played freshmen and sophomores. The most noticeable difference between OSU and PU is more superior talent. But, they are good at blocking and tackling, fundamentals. PU is not fundamentally sound. That speaks of inferior coaching. Hazell was thrown into a bad situation but IMO he is incompetent. I can't think of a coach who would take the job now. Burke must go. We are worse than we were 2 years ago.
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Just think what the best coach in the B1G (Jerry Kill) could do with OSU!!
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Kind of totally ridiculous, isn't it ? But WTF, an OSU coach hasn't won BIG 10 coach of the year since 1979 and that includes 2002 when OSU won the NC - Ferentz won it over Tressel who had a 7-5 record the year before in 2001. That's alright, I'm sure our coaches gladly trade Coach od the Year awards for national and BIG titles. But it is ridiculous. Think maybe there are politics and jealousy involved ?
WTF
Kind of totally ridiculous, isn't it ? But WTF, an OSU coach hasn't won BIG 10 coach of the year since 1979 and that includes 2002 when OSU won the NC - Ferentz won it over Tressel who had a 7-5 record the year before in 2001. That's alright, I'm sure our coaches gladly trade Coach od the Year awards for national and BIG titles. But it is ridiculous. Think maybe there are politics and jealousy involved ?
Its a huge win for the conference. Combine this with Harbaugh, and the conference is relevant again today. Hopefully the conference as a whole produces enough good teams to keep it that way. It would be nice to not lean on OSU for national relevance so exclusively. The Wisky and MSU wins dont hurt either.
Not sure what looks worse to me, a Buckeye on this board (You dont have better things to do?) or whiney Purdue fans. Oh wait, definitely whiney Purdue fans.
Not sure what looks worse to me, a Buckeye on this board (You dont have better things to do?) or whiney Purdue fans. Oh wait, definitely whiney Purdue fans.
Celebrating that national championship by seeing what the fans of the worst team in the B1G have to say about the Buckeyes? Woof. Enjoy.
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If OSU didn't turn the ball over 4 times (and 3 of them were unforced), the game last night could have been a huge blowout. From the second drive, it was obvious OSU was the bigger. more physical, and even faster team. Oregon's only chance was their gimmick to fool OSU long enough and hope OSU makes enough mistakes. That didn't happen.
As a Purdue fan, I was happy to see a B1G team win but I am scared this might mean Purdue won't win the B1G for a decade. With Meyer at OSU and Harbaugh at UM, the conference has two top tier coaches. There are only a handful of coaches at these guys' level. And these two schools can recruit the best athletes too. Even when they both have a slightly down year, Dantonio built a very solid program in EL and Wisconsin and Nebraska are always very tough at home and will always be competitive with the big dogs. Where do we fit in? It'll be hard for us, Minny, Iowa etc. to get into that group.
I also think OSU can repeat next year. That OL... If last night's game taught me anything, it's that you win football in the trenches. Yes, Elliott is a beast and Cardale ran over a few linebackers himself, but half the time Oregon knew what was coming and they just could not push those big guys back.
On a bright note, I feel like Hazell kind of has the right idea. One reason why OSU won with their 3rd string is they were built to run the ball first, and control the clock. Unlike the spread offenses' philosophy of attacking your 3rd/4th CBs and where you're thin, the power football attacks you where you're strongest and takes your spirit away. With Alabama first and now OSU's continuing success, I feel like we'll see more of these power offenses with big mobile QBs. I feel like Hazell is trying to build something similar.
Oh well time will tell.
As a Purdue fan, I was happy to see a B1G team win but I am scared this might mean Purdue won't win the B1G for a decade. With Meyer at OSU and Harbaugh at UM, the conference has two top tier coaches. There are only a handful of coaches at these guys' level. And these two schools can recruit the best athletes too. Even when they both have a slightly down year, Dantonio built a very solid program in EL and Wisconsin and Nebraska are always very tough at home and will always be competitive with the big dogs. Where do we fit in? It'll be hard for us, Minny, Iowa etc. to get into that group.
I also think OSU can repeat next year. That OL... If last night's game taught me anything, it's that you win football in the trenches. Yes, Elliott is a beast and Cardale ran over a few linebackers himself, but half the time Oregon knew what was coming and they just could not push those big guys back.
On a bright note, I feel like Hazell kind of has the right idea. One reason why OSU won with their 3rd string is they were built to run the ball first, and control the clock. Unlike the spread offenses' philosophy of attacking your 3rd/4th CBs and where you're thin, the power football attacks you where you're strongest and takes your spirit away. With Alabama first and now OSU's continuing success, I feel like we'll see more of these power offenses with big mobile QBs. I feel like Hazell is trying to build something similar.
Oh well time will tell.
It seems that schools like O$U are just expected to do better than schools like Minnesota.
Personally, I'd bet that Urban Meyer would rather win a NC than win BIG COY any year.
Granted, when the voting was done for the award, it was prior to O$U going on their impressive BIG Championship, Alabama, and Oregon run. Had the voters to do it over, I suspect Urban would have fared better.
Personally, I'd bet that Urban Meyer would rather win a NC than win BIG COY any year.
Granted, when the voting was done for the award, it was prior to O$U going on their impressive BIG Championship, Alabama, and Oregon run. Had the voters to do it over, I suspect Urban would have fared better.
I hear this and what SI is saying. One thing that has constantly urked me about Purdue fans over the last decade or so is that most seem to think that playing lesser competition => more wins => return to the promise land.
While that can work, I feel like its much more likely that better competition raises the intensity surrounding the program, gives the team an opportunity to stand out to recruits, and this helps move your baseline recruiting, attract top coaches, and build a fan base.
For example, lets say Purdue wins 7 games next year and the fire Hazell sentiment is silenced and he is signed to an extension. What looks better, playing a down conference or fighting with the big boys? Personally, I want as many big games in the big ten as possible. With the way the last decade is gone, I'd honestly be happy if the Loosiers won the rose bowl. This program needs more internal pressure to succeed.
Thats all predicated on the idea that the program/Haz can turn it around, but if they cant who cares who we are playing.
Im pretty sure it was Saban and Miles dominance in the SEC that built that conference. Look how good that entire conference is now.
When things like this happen it presents the team with an opportunity, not an unavoidable beatdown.
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You are insane. IU winning the Rose Bowl would never be a good thing for Purdue. If that happened, it means they beat teams like O$U, MSU, PSU, and Michigan with Harbaugh. It would mean that IU was ascending toward national power status and significance. We would get almost NO ONE from Indiana EVER in recruiting.
I think there will be more and more internal pressure on Purdue. Hell, Hazell has lost twice in-a-row to IU and Purdue has lost 3 of the last 4 to IU. Fu@&ing unacceptable.
I think there will be more and more internal pressure on Purdue. Hell, Hazell has lost twice in-a-row to IU and Purdue has lost 3 of the last 4 to IU. Fu@&ing unacceptable.
Thats exactly my point. There is legitimate pressure on the team to be better than IU. Do you want to aspire to 500 or 10+ win seasons?
If IU was good and pushed us constantly in bowl games through the mid 00's, Tiller could have pulled a Painter for his assistants down the stretch.
Better yet how many quality opponents do you want to face in a given season? The perception of the conference as a whole is a joke (although I do think this bowl season revived it significantly) because the big ten is filled with average incomplete teams. The bar needs to be higher on what acceptable is.
This season laid bare that the SEC is far and away a better conference than the BIG. The BIG acquitted itself quite nicely during bowl season and the SEC looked mediocre. LSU, Ole Miss, and Miss State all laid big eggs. Tennessee looked good.
I just don't think IU will win a Rose Bowl.Scott Baio has a better chance of winning the Oscar for best actor.
"this might mean Purdue won't win the B1G for a decade"....
a decade?...you need to think longer term
a decade?...you need to think longer term
OSU and a spread offense.
J T Barrett threw for almost 2850 yards as a red-shirt starter and didn't finish the season. OSU has a powerful running game but they are not strictly a running team by any means. However a strong run game becomes necessary when the weather gets cold, wet and windy. Oregon didn't seem as balanced and relied more on passing. A strong and fast defence made Oregon's passing game struggle.
J T Barrett threw for almost 2850 yards as a red-shirt starter and didn't finish the season. OSU has a powerful running game but they are not strictly a running team by any means. However a strong run game becomes necessary when the weather gets cold, wet and windy. Oregon didn't seem as balanced and relied more on passing. A strong and fast defence made Oregon's passing game struggle.
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