Coaches rankings

[atkinsbj]

http://athlonsports.com/college-basketball/ranking-top-50-college-basketball-coaches-2015-16

This has Painter pretty low in my opinion. Easily should be in the 25-30 range with win percentage in the bigten alone. Those 2 yrs of missing the tournament were rough but before that he was one of the hotter names in coaching. With the complete turnaround last season and the potential this year he should be above Fran and not even close with Tim Miles.

 

[rjmpu82]

Thanks for sharing the link. Pretty worthless article in my opinion, and not just because Painter is ranked so low. With the talent Calipari had last year, he still lost to Bo Ryan. Ryan is an excellent coach IMO. Maybe not be the most personable guy, may not be fun to watch but if my kid was a top recruit, I would much rather him play for Bo than Cal. Roy Williams, Cal and it appears now Pitino are all cheaters but yet rank near the top of the list. If cheating makes you a good coach, the author needs to reevaluate his own principles.

 

[BoilerFan#35]

Painter is at worst the 3rd best coach in the B1G right now

 

[SqueakyClean]

Painter is at worst the 3rd best coach in the B1G right now

Ummmm....No.

If you said 4th, you might have had an argument, but not 3rd. Izzo, Ryan, and Matta are the three best and there are very few metrics you could put out there that those three are not going to be at the top of every list of the Big Ten.

If you are only counting Big Ten success, then most people would put Beilein up there above Painter as well, but that is only because of one very good run through the tournament two years ago. If Painter can get to a Final 4, then I could reasonably see him being fourth on this list. Until that time though, too many other coaches have a post-season achievement that Painter does not and which is ultimately used as the most important metric for these stupid rankings.

 

[purdue4sure]

yall can't be serious?
i'd take coach 1st in a pork rines competition... and thats about it

Crean struts his stuff around like the lead cock in a hen house. Everyone knows they better stay in line when tom's around. The only line porkchop is willing to stay in the dessert table line at golden corrall. If crean wanted to, he could put painter on the ground and take him to the cleaners without blinking. The power and force and will of crean would be far too much for painter to overcome. Eventually painter would be a lifeless victim as crean had his way with him

LOL! That's a pretty unhealthy crush you got goin' there, man.

 

[PU pit bull]

 

[tigerchump]

yall can't be serious?
i'd take coach 1st in a pork rines competition... and thats about it

Crean struts his stuff around like the lead cock in a hen house. Everyone knows they better stay in line when tom's around. The only line porkchop is willing to stay in the dessert table line at golden corrall. If crean wanted to, he could put painter on the ground and take him to the cleaners without blinking. The power and force and will of crean would be far too much for painter to overcome. Eventually painter would be a lifeless victim as crean had his way with him

Tom Crean couldn't whip a pint of cream with an outboard motor.

 

[brees4life]

I think a solid fourth with belie in having a good argument as well. Turgeon and crean next in records

Bo, Izzo and Thad at the top and rightfully so

 

[BoilerFan#35]

I think a solid fourth with belie in having a good argument as well. Turgeon and crean next in records

Bo, Izzo and Thad at the top and rightfully so

I think a solid fourth with belie in having a good argument as well. Turgeon and crean next in records

Bo, Izzo and Thad at the top and rightfully so

I don't view Thad as an elite coach. I view him as an elite recruiter and an above average coach. I think Matt and Thad are good coached just think Matt's a little better. Hopefully a FF proves me right this year.

 

[boilerzz]

I don't view Thad as an elite coach. I view him as an elite recruiter and an above average coach. I think Matt and Thad are good coached just think Matt's a little better. Hopefully a FF proves me right this year.

I too think Painter is a better in game coach but there are three facets to coaching:

• Recruiting
• Player development
• In game coaching

All three are important and each coach has strengths with each. An effective ranking of coaches would rank coaches at each of the above and then develop a composite.

 

[mathboy]

GIven the previous 2 years, I think Matt's ranking is about where I would put him. I happen to think he is underrated right now. Had this ranking been at the peak of the baby boiler class, his ranking would have been a heck of a lot higher. I happen to think after this year he will be back up there.

What I don't get is the infatuation with McCaffery. Just what has Iowa done to put him up there? I don't think he has finished much better than the previous Iowa coach (whose name escapes me). I am going off impressions here, which is always dangerous.

I also agree with the poster who said Matta gets his cred from his recruiting, and not so much from his in-game coaching. However, recruiting is an important part of coaching, so no argument there.

 

[klmLB]

GIven the previous 2 years, I think Matt's ranking is about where I would put him. I happen to think he is underrated right now. Had this ranking been at the peak of the baby boiler class, his ranking would have been a heck of a lot higher. I happen to think after this year he will be back up there.

What I don't get is the infatuation with McCaffery. Just what has Iowa done to put him up there? I don't think he has finished much better than the previous Iowa coach (whose name escapes me). I am going off impressions here, which is always dangerous.

I also agree with the poster who said Matta gets his cred from his recruiting, and not so much from his in-game coaching. However, recruiting is an important part of coaching, so no argument there.

I'm certainly no McCaffery supporter or hater, but I respect him. In the 3 seasons leading up to his hiring, Iowa was last or next to last in the B1G. His first recruiting class just graduated and he has them right in the middle of the B1G with some NCAA appearances (including 12-6 in B1G last year and making round of 32). This after taking Siena on a nice NCAA run. While Iowa isn't world beaters, they are solidly in the middle of the B1G and based on his recruiting, it looks like they won't be worse than that in the years to come. Hard to say if they will be better than that (could be, but might not). However, they are trending upward from when they originally hired him.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

I too think Painter is a better in game coach but there are three facets to coaching:

• Recruiting
• Player development
• In game coaching

All three are important and each coach has strengths with each. An effective ranking of coaches would rank coaches at each of the above and then develop a composite.

+1

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

I'm certainly no McCaffery supporter or hater, but I respect him. In the 3 seasons leading up to his hiring, Iowa was last or next to last in the B1G. His first recruiting class just graduated and he has them right in the middle of the B1G with some NCAA appearances (including 12-6 in B1G last year and making round of 32). This after taking Siena on a nice NCAA run. While Iowa isn't world beaters, they are solidly in the middle of the B1G and based on his recruiting, it looks like they won't be worse than that in the years to come. Hard to say if they will be better than that (could be, but might not). However, they are trending upward from when they originally hired him.

I generally like Fran, and I think he's done a solid job @ Iowa so far and been good for the conference. Hawkeye supporters.....errrrr....our most hated rivals.....may have different opinions being closer to the program.

I think he has gotten a raw deal a couple of times with the officiating, and we've enjoyed some humor from it. One of my criticisms has been that in years past, it seems like one or two games each year Iowa has a game completely under control (usually @ home) and then has a meltdown over a 7-10 minute span and loses the game......happened a couple of times with Michigan State IIRC.

This year will be a good test to see if Iowa can outperform the "expert" predictions. They lost quite a bit but still have some experienced players returning. Not many are thinking they'll finish too high in the standings.

He has raised the program, but I do see the limitations......they aren't positioned to be at or near the top every year.....solidly in the middle is probably a fair assessment. JMHO

 

[mathboy]

I generally like Fran, and I think he's done a solid job @ Iowa so far and been good for the conference. Hawkeye supporters.....errrrr....our most hated rivals.....may have different opinions being closer to the program.

I think he has gotten a raw deal a couple of times with the officiating, and we've enjoyed some humor from it. One of my criticisms has been that in years past, it seems like one or two games each year Iowa has a game completely under control (usually @ home) and then has a meltdown over a 7-10 minute span and loses the game......happened a couple of times with Michigan State IIRC.

This year will be a good test to see if Iowa can outperform the "expert" predictions. They lost quite a bit but still have some experienced players returning. Not many are thinking they'll finish too high in the standings.

He has raised the program, but I do see the limitations......they aren't positioned to be at or near the top every year.....solidly in the middle is probably a fair assessment. JMHO

I understand "solidly in the middle" but does that make one of the top coaches in the BIG? I'm not trying to degrade what he has done, and as a matter of fact, I like the guy. He is classy and probably a pretty good coach.

Sorry, but as good as he has done, all I get from this is that he has taken a program that used to be in the middle of the BIG, then fell slightly, and brought it back to the middle of the BIG. I feel like it is a "so what" type effort.

This is not the resume I would expect from a coach sitting as high in this ranking as he is sitting. I suggest that perhaps he is overrated at this point in this survey. Next year hasn't happened yet, so ranking him on what he might accomplish is not in this deck of cards. Just like Painter's potential this coming year is not a major factor, and Painter has put togehter a much better team for 2015 than Fran.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

I understand "solidly in the middle" but does that make one of the top coaches in the BIG? I'm not trying to degrade what he has done, and as a matter of fact, I like the guy. He is classy and probably a pretty good coach.

Sorry, but as good as he has done, all I get from this is that he has taken a program that used to be in the middle of the BIG, then fell slightly, and brought it back to the middle of the BIG. I feel like it is a "so what" type effort.

This is not the resume I would expect from a coach sitting as high in this ranking as he is sitting. I suggest that perhaps he is overrated at this point in this survey. Next year hasn't happened yet, so ranking him on what he might accomplish is not in this deck of cards. Just like Painter's potential this coming year is not a major factor, and Painter has put togehter a much better team for 2015 than Fran.

I wasn't suggesting I felt he was one of the "top" coaches in the conference, Mathboy, whatever "top" really means.....just that I like him more than not and that he's good for the conference. I'd probably give him a little more credit than "so what," but that's just an honest difference of opinion between us.

But if you keep this up, Fran might have more to say:

 

[rgarlitz]

Ya, something smells really fishy about this article.

Ed Cooley (#35), Scott Drew (#37), Fran McCaffrey (#39), Kevin Stallings (#43), and Tom Crean (#44) all having losing conference records in their current gigs. Of those five guys, only Crean has more NCAA tournament wins, and almost half of his wins came in one appearance more than 10 years ago.