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Hammons was the man and should probably start next game, but I think Ryan's three was key to momentum tonight.

Nice win Boilers!

I don't get why people focus on Hammons starting. He played 28 minutes tonight and Haas played 11. Why does it matter if he starts? It has been repeatedly stated he does better coming off the bench, in particular because of letting the game start and the foul situation being avoided with him.

Hammons needs to play 25+ minutes each game for us to be successful. If he starts and gets in foul trouble early, he's done for the first half. Look at the Butler game.

Why does it matter if he starts if he's playing 30 minutes?
 
He looked like a leader out there tonight. For the first time tonight, I saw him get really fired up after V called a timeout when we made a run. He was really locked in on defense and played an excellent floor game. That 3 he hit was the Mo shifter. If he can get better handles and put a little more muscle on his frame, Cline will be a stud for us. He is so smart and has ice water in his veins.

On an interesting side note, the offense really flowed well with Mathias/Cline out there and Davis/Edwards on the bench. They were NOT liabilities on defense at all tonight.
 
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I don't get why people focus on Hammons starting. He played 28 minutes tonight and Haas played 11. Why does it matter if he starts? It has been repeatedly stated he does better coming off the bench, in particular because of letting the game start and the foul situation being avoided with him.

Hammons needs to play 25+ minutes each game for us to be successful. If he starts and gets in foul trouble early, he's done for the first half. Look at the Butler game.

Why does it matter if he starts if he's playing 30 minutes?
Completely agree. Maybe he likes coming off the bench? He gets his points and minutes..so who cares?
 
I wasn't saying Hammons needs to start, just that soon he probably will if he keeps out playing Haas. I do like the idea of him watching how the officials call the first few minutes of the game while he sits on the bench not picking up a bad foul.
 
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I wasn't saying Hammons needs to start, just that soon he probably will if he keeps out playing Haas. I do like the idea of him watching how the officials call the first few minutes of the game while he sits on the bench not picking up a bad foul.
Thanks for clarifying and I agree with your assessment.
 
The NBA scouts don't care whether AJ starts. They care how he performs when he's on the floor. These guy's filled their notebooks last night.
 
AJ coming off the bench gives he and Painter a good read on the officiating and flow of the game. I like Cline and would like to see him pull the tigger a little more often.
 
The NBA scouts don't care whether AJ starts. They care how he performs when he's on the floor. These guy's filled their notebooks last night.
That's the exact point Calipari made to his (nearly undefeated) team last year (the year of the platoon). He actually had scouts come in pre-season to explain all their stat/minute measurements (as opposed to game stats that are much less meaningful to them).
 
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That's the exact point Calipari made to his 9nearly undefeated) team last year (the year of the platoon). He actually had scouts come in pre-season to explain all their stat/minute measurements (as opposed to game stats that are much less meaningful to them).

Isn't it a violation for scouts to be interacting with players?
 
Isn't it a violation for scouts to be interacting with players?
I don't recall the details from last year, but it wasn't kept secret or anything. They even discussed it occasionally on nationally broadcast games in the context of how Cal kept his deep team of top recruits happy and fully engaged despite playing only +/- half a game. Maybe he used retired scouts no longer affiliated with any NBA team, or scouts are not considered in the same category as agents when it comes to interaction with pros? And to my understanding, there was no individual interaction or "grading"...just a lecture on how NBA teams grade players using performance/minute as opposed to full game stats with the emphasis that a player with higher per minute marks is more desirable than a player with higher game totals (assuming it's not because of something stupid like fouling out of many games in just 20 minutes of play).
 
I don't recall the details from last year, but it wasn't kept secret or anything. They even discussed it occasionally on nationally broadcast games in the context of how Cal kept his deep team of top recruits happy and fully engaged despite playing only +/- half a game. Maybe he used retired scouts no longer affiliated with any NBA team, or scouts are not considered in the same category as agents when it comes to interaction with pros? And to my understanding, there was no individual interaction or "grading"...just a lecture on how NBA teams grade players using performance/minute as opposed to full game stats with the emphasis that a player with higher per minute marks is more desirable than a player with higher game totals (assuming it's not because of something stupid like fouling out of many games in just 20 minutes of play).


Don't take this wrong, but you are speculating. Does anyone have the facts related to scout/agent/friend/fan interaction with players and can distinguish the differences and legalities of each? How does that play here?
 
Don't take this wrong, but you are speculating. Does anyone have the facts related to scout/agent/friend/fan interaction with players and can distinguish the differences and legalities of each? How does that play here?
True, it's speculation on my part, partially in hope that someone who knows the real NCAA position on this can add to the conversation. However, it doesn't change the fact that it was very publicly discussed many times last year, so I can't imagine a scenario where it was a violation in the context of however Cal pulled it off. As far as how it plays here...well, it's directly related to how AJ can still get positive NBA attention (first round topics in other threads), while being a "6th man" and playing fewer minutes than a typical first rounder.
 
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