Camden heide to transfer portal

[tjreese]

I'm not going to say the almighty dollar isn't at play here, of course it is. But playing time is also at play. Both Cam and Myles were going to be juniors and neither one was looking at a starting spot. That is a recipe for transfer. Will it lead to more money? None of us know that, but I would be willing to bet that where both of them go, they will be playing more minutes than they did at PU.

As far as academics, if the player so chooses, there is no reason they can't get a good degree at whatever school they transfer to. If they aren't interested in that, then fine, but transferring doesn't automatically mean a degree isn't important to them.

I'm not crazy about this new "system" we have. I'm just not willing to assign motive to people I don't know. I would venture to guess we would have seen transfers like this under the old system "no NIL" if they wouldn't have been required to sit out a year. In other words, I don't think it's just the dollars that is driving the transfers.

I'm sure it is dollars today...potential dollars tomorrow...playing time as well. The stance of making the money and gettng a degree later has always been in play for those that went pro early. I just don't think if money was NOT involved that we would be seeing Cam and/or Myles leaving. There has always been players not getting the minutes they wanted and yet they stayed, but there wasn't the huge sums of money. I imagine if Cam got a million or so to stay at Purdue he would be there. These kids are making more in a year than many pro basketball players years ago with inflation adjusted I expect. It is what it is and Purdue lost some good guys. I understand Brian and Berg moving on for playing time and any money along the way...and yes NOT sitting out is huge in this.

It isn't about my desires...I fully get that, but I do like to see players develop new skills as they progress in school and it seems the model today really doesn't fit in college, but more like a semi pro league. In the meantime...it will be interesting to see what Matt does

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Could they? I don't think we know that. Certainly they can start for some, but there are 20 Heides and 20 Colvins out there in the portal right now. Every season.

Disagree… But we will find out. These 2 are great athletes who can shoot, albeit inconsistently.

I’m thinking places like Marquette, Iowa, Creighton, Wisconsin, Xavier….

And remember: Big East schools can spend all their revenue sharing cash on hoops, no football.

And none of them have 2 studs on the payroll for $6-8 million already.

 

[mryankee2397]

Purdue got beat by Houston because they had more and better athletes on the floor. I don't remember how many offensive rebounds we gave up but it was a ton and the second chance points killed us.
That was because they had athletes who could keep the ball alive and were just quicker to the ball.

we lost partly due to rebounding but we still missed a ton of wide open shots and at least that one bunny. when you lose by two, almost anything can be a factor

 

[PUQBMan.]

If you don’t think CH and MC were given every opportunity to claim maximum starter minutes, and to showcase their talents this past season, then I don’t know what to tell you….

If both guys aren’t better compensated for this starter/showcase dude status they are purportedly being denied, then I would question how they possessed the intelligence to be admitted to Purdue in the first place!

I never said they weren’t given the opportunity to get more minutes here. I’m commenting on how dumb it is to insinuate that Heide is leaving because he’s chasing money and got a bigger offer somewhere. As I said, no one is offering some huge amount of money to poach bench guys that we wouldn’t be able to match. These guys are leaving because they are seeking better opportunities to get more playing time or to find a system that better fits their game. Not everyone is happy being the 8th man in the rotation when they could be a starter elsewhere. It has nothing to do with money, and it’s disrespectful to Heide and others to claim it does.

 

[tjreese]

Or maybe, like every other human on the planet, Matt has blindspots or weak points or areas of resistance?

That is not the issue. Of course he does. The issue was the statement that it was "obvious" to Matt and he refused to do the "obvious" thing that would no longer hinder him. That is not true. Right or wrong, Matt does not share the same beliefs of those that think he would not try to have the best team he could due to him being afraid of changing paths and seeing things the way someone else does. I don't believe that. Matt busts his butt as do all the coaches to field the best team possible and if he chooses to do something other than another it goes back to what he believes which then can be debated...not that he refuses to have the best team due to being stubborn . It just seems so illogical to think he doesn't want to help himself

 

[PUQBMan.]

Disagree. Money is part of it.

Source: your ass

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

Source: your ass

Money is always a part of it, maybe a few notches down on the reasons for leaving. But if you’re at that level, you want to get paid what you think you’re worth—just like anyone at any job.

Now, it probably was more playing time and their role the next year, but I’m sure they could get more money elsewhere. Not sure it’s at a really good P5 contender, but maybe?

Hell, why not test the market? Cuz if it’s really true that Gabe cupps got a ton of money from OSU.l, then certainly they can. And that kid is a MAC bench player at best. And Colvin and Heide are waaaay better than him.

 

[Boilermaker427]

I mean... that's stubborn lol

I've known people who dig in their heels even past the point they are obviously wrong. So maybe stubborn but a step below the previous sentence. lol

 

[tjreese]

I never said they weren’t given the opportunity to get more minutes here. I’m commenting on how dumb it is to insinuate that Heide is leaving because he’s chasing money and got a bigger offer somewhere. As I said, no one is offering some huge amount of money to poach bench guys that we wouldn’t be able to match. These guys are leaving because they are seeking better opportunities to get more playing time or to find a system that better fits their game. Not everyone is happy being the 8th man in the rotation when they could be a starter elsewhere. It has nothing to do with money, and it’s disrespectful to Heide and others to claim it does.

I don't see a person being a bad person to want to make a lot of money if offered. People quit companies and change jobs all the time to try and better their situation. It can't be easy saying goodbye to those you spent so much time with, the network you are leaving, the potential loss of credits and all the friends you have accumulated over time. Who wants to do that and if less playing time should that happen be worth that, unless getting more minutes is viewed as a stepping stone to more money playing ball after college? All these players I hope do well and reach their dreams, but few significantly improve their situation after leaving Purdue

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Source: your ass

LOL OK.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I never said they weren’t given the opportunity to get more minutes here. I’m commenting on how dumb it is to insinuate that Heide is leaving because he’s chasing money and got a bigger offer somewhere. As I said, no one is offering some huge amount of money to poach bench guys that we wouldn’t be able to match. These guys are leaving because they are seeking better opportunities to get more playing time or to find a system that better fits their game. Not everyone is happy being the 8th man in the rotation when they could be a starter elsewhere. It has nothing to do with money, and it’s disrespectful to Heide and others to claim it does.

If you don’t think these guys are getting offers BEFORE getting in the portal, you are sorely mistaken.

 

[RossMackey]

I never said they weren’t given the opportunity to get more minutes here. I’m commenting on how dumb it is to insinuate that Heide is leaving because he’s chasing money and got a bigger offer somewhere. As I said, no one is offering some huge amount of money to poach bench guys that we wouldn’t be able to match. These guys are leaving because they are seeking better opportunities to get more playing time or to find a system that better fits their game. Not everyone is happy being the 8th man in the rotation when they could be a starter elsewhere. It has nothing to do with money, and it’s disrespectful to Heide and others to claim it does

That’s fair —

I only wish this burning desire to start had manifested itself when they had the chance again and again at Purdue.

And I hope no one is shocked if either Cam or Myles have several places to choose from who will offer this magic combination of playing style and guaranteed starter status— and they choose the school that offers more $$!

 

[mean_gene]

...we'll always have this.



and his last shot as a Boiler. Good luck and thanks Cam!

 

[New Pal Boiler]

That’s fair —

I only wish this burning desire to start had manifested itself when they had the chance again and again at Purdue.

And I hope no one is shocked if either Cam or Myles have several places to choose from who will offer this magic combination of playing style and guaranteed starter status— and they choose the school that offers more $$!

AND I DO NOT BLAME THEM ! If someone offered me $400K at 19-21 years old… see ya!

 

[tjreese]

I've known people who dig in their heels even past the point they are obviously wrong. So maybe stubborn but a step below the previous sentence. lol

again , that is illogical if the situation had any importance. Can't you believe that they are just wrong in your opinion ,rather than believing they have to see things the same way and when they don't do what you believe they should do it isn't that they are stubborn but rather hold different understandings. Is there a reason why Matt should share your opinions? There are things I wish Matt did different, but have never viewed it as being stubborn, but rather his beliefs on certain areas of the game...but I also know Matt has studied the game much more than me and has reasons why he does what he does...which can be viewed right or wrong

 

[purduedavie]

No.

Exactly, there’s 1400 guys in the portal, Purdue will be fine.

 

[purduedavie]

Was thinking this yesterday after the Colvin news.

“BRIAN ! BUDDY !!! Hey Listen, we’ve been talking about you over here today…”

We’ll be fine, going to get a better player than Waddell.

 

[Boilermaker427]

I really think the whole "oh this player is just chasing money" is such a silly thing to even insinuate. One could argue it's not even a bad thing.

What does company loyalty get you in this day and age? You're crazy right now if you pass up more money and better opportunity due to "loyalty". Companies have rid themselves of pensions, good benefits, good healthcare plans, and will replace you with someone cheaper and younger the first second they can. They will post "help wanted" before your body has cooled.

Why would Heide or Colvin "owe" Purdue literally anything? Because we gave them a scholarship because we thought they'd benefit our basketball team?

You could MAYBE make an argument if we were someone's only offer, and the second they put together a good season, they bailed to Duke or something. OR if we offered someone $3million to remain as a starter but they left because Kentucky gave them $4 million. I could maybe understand it then. As a fan, of course you'd like to see loyalty. You hate to see playere go. But college basketball is a business now, and it's not necessarily a bad thing.

But come on, a better opportunity and more money somewhere else? You're crazy if you don't take that. Acting like Heide or Colvin should be so grateful at the opportunity to play basketball at Purdue, that they should accept a lesser role and lesser money, is just a bit much.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

Well…there was a rumor after Colvin bolted that Heidi and Harris will as well. Another down…and one to go.

Harris stays and bids for a bigger role next season.

 

[Boilermaker427]

again , that is illogical if the situation had any importance. Can't you believe that they are just wrong in your opinion ,rather than believing they have to see things the same way and when they don't do what you believe they should do it isn't that they are stubborn but rather hold different understandings. Is there a reason why Matt should share your opinions? There are things I wish Matt did different, but have never viewed it as being stubborn, but rather his beliefs on certain areas of the game...but I also know Matt has studied the game much more than me and has reasons why he does what he does...which can be viewed right or wrong

I said stubborn might be the wrong word. I think the fact that he's at least partially resistant to change is proven solely by a 6 man freshman class he signed in a year we were graduating one senior, and no portal players when again, we had one senior.

I also said I fully expected him to adapt to this, now that we've had our first "major" departures. It's easy to remain stuck in your ways when your team stays and gives you some confirmation bias.

I feel like you're reading too much into what I said, because I'm not even arguing against you. It's obvious that Painter see things a different way. It's obvious he's resisted the idea that the portal should be a major tool for the program up to this point. Continuing to "see things a different way" despite a rapidly changing environment around you, is a tad....something. Maybe not stubborn. But something.

 

[Lee3370]

Heide (and Colvin) where non starters and were not going to start next year either as there will be 2 additional players for the 3rd guard/SF position and that is before we find anyone in the portal.

I liked Heide allot, he had allot of potential, but both Colvin and Heide have ball handling issues and clearly CMP likes a ball handler as the 3rd guard/sf and the writing is on the wall.

It sucks, but Purdue is still doing well with the Portal, we havent lost a starter, lost 2 rotational pieces, but gained a starter and who knows from the 2 incoming freshman and any other portal pieces.

I wish Heide luck.

 

[Lee3370]

Harris stays and bids for a bigger role next season.

I am actually shocked Harris is staying, but maybe he gets a bigger role, Cox really came on strong, CMP does know how to find those diamonds in the ruff for sure.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

We’ll be fine, going to get a better player than Waddell.

It’s like we’re in a fantasy football auction draft, and we spent $150 of our $200 on saquan and Jamaar chase, and now we have to sit out for a while and wait till the money is all spent and then we come back in and get some bargains later.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

Harris stays and bids for a bigger role next season.

I hope so.

 

[Do Dah Day]

That is not the issue. Of course he does. The issue was the statement that it was "obvious" to Matt and he refused to do the "obvious" thing that would no longer hinder him. That is not true. Right or wrong, Matt does not share the same beliefs of those that think he would not try to have the best team he could due to him being afraid of changing paths and seeing things the way someone else does. I don't believe that. Matt busts his butt as do all the coaches to field the best team possible and if he chooses to do something other than another it goes back to what he believes which then can be debated...not that he refuses to have the best team due to being stubborn . It just seems so illogical to think he doesn't want to help himself

KaBAM!!!!

I said stubborn might be the wrong word. I think the fact that he's at least partially resistant to change is proven solely by a 6 man freshman class he signed in a year we were graduating one senior, and no portal players when again, we had one senior.

I also said I fully expected him to adapt to this, now that we've had our first "major" departures. It's easy to remain stuck in your ways when your team stays and gives you some confirmation bias.

I feel like you're reading too much into what I said, because I'm not even arguing against you. It's obvious that Painter see things a different way. It's obvious he's resisted the idea that the portal should be a major tool for the program up to this point. Continuing to "see things a different way" despite a rapidly changing environment around you, is a tad....something. Maybe not stubborn. But something.

We/Painter now have the opp to prove we/he are a leader in the new world of college basketabll ... He's already won the battle for the #1 player in the portal ... the future is bright. Assume we are only playing 8 next year. We only need on who is better than Colvin/Heide. What if it's Harris, or Benter,

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I really think the whole "oh this player is just chasing money" is such a silly thing to even insinuate. One could argue it's not even a bad thing.

What does company loyalty get you in this day and age? You're crazy right now if you pass up more money and better opportunity due to "loyalty". Companies have rid themselves of pensions, good benefits, good healthcare plans, and will replace you with someone cheaper and younger the first second they can. They will post "help wanted" before your body has cooled.

Why would Heide or Colvin "owe" Purdue literally anything? Because we gave them a scholarship because we thought they'd benefit our basketball team?

You could MAYBE make an argument if we were someone's only offer, and the second they put together a good season, they bailed to Duke or something. OR if we offered someone $3million to remain as a starter but they left because Kentucky gave them $4 million. I could maybe understand it then. As a fan, of course you'd like to see loyalty. You hate to see playere go. But college basketball is a business now, and it's not necessarily a bad thing.

But come on, a better opportunity and more money somewhere else? You're crazy if you don't take that. Acting like Heide or Colvin should be so grateful at the opportunity to play basketball at Purdue, that they should accept a lesser role and lesser money, is just a bit much.

I don’t think anyone is begrudging kids for setting themselves up for life after college. I’m certainly not.

 

[Schmedly_Whiplash]

There was part of me dying for Jacobsen to come back. I honestly highly doubt that Painter didn't play him solely because he wanted to keep him a year of eligibility. It's possible, and if so, shame on Painter. But I feel like health factors probably played a role

The kid had been playing non stop for the past couple of years. He's grown a lot in that time. His bones needed this forced rest. would be stupid to jeopardize next season for a little bit this season.

 

[Boilermaker427]

KaBAM!!!!

We/Painter now has the opp to prove we/he are a leader in the new world of college basketabll ... He's already won the battle for the #1 player in the portal ... the future is bright. Assume we are only playing 8 next year. We only need on who is better than Colvin/Heide

With the right portal additions, we could be the pre season #1 next year. Assuming no starters leave.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

They could start for lots of P5 programs, most of whom have new revenue sharing money to spend, on top of NIL.

It’s like Georgia losing backups to schools like Purdue in football. They have to spend most of their money on their starters., so they lose the Nyland Greens of the world… I guess it’s a good problem to have…

Colvin has shown that he is mediocre at best and really isn't good enough for a P5 program and most likely will be at a lesser school next season. I've always thought Heide was the better of the two, and thought he would stay here.

My guess it's become all about the money and maybe CMP told them the bucks at Purdue where they're concerned is being cut. Heide will, or should, get the bigger payday wherever he goes but he's still going to be a backup.

 

[Schmedly_Whiplash]

All teams have same issue, get 5-7 fighting for PT, rest looking elsewhere every year, backfill with guys happy to be there before they move the next……kinda loose interest in all this unfortunately

I see the fan interest death spiral beginning already.
But imagine the bandwagon when your team of rentals DOES hit it big! LOL

 

[Boilermaker427]

The kid had been playing non stop for the past couple of years. He's grown a lot in that time. His bones needed this forced rest. would be stupid to jeopardize next season for a little bit this season.

I would have wanted Jacobsen back SOLELY if the only reason was Painter thought it was a "waste" of a year. I don't think he stays with us 5 years including this one anyways. If it was health, he obviously should have sat.

 

[Schmedly_Whiplash]

We are seeing the last days where Purdue would get good players as freshman but not top ranked and develop them to become great players by senior year. Can’t build a program like that anymore. Wonder how long painter is gonna play this game. I see this next year as the last year we have a shot at a championship.

You know, you might be right.
And we might have hit on the right time to be one the last contenders built this way.
Agreed this HAS to wear mightly on a coach that's invested hundreds (thousands?) of hours on recruiting and developing a kid. Multiple kids.
And now has to patch the boat with "Maybe" more talented (crapshoot) but arguably less "purdue guys" than our history shows we do best with.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I see the fan interest death spiral beginning already.

it will be ignored until the TV ratings start to decline. Then … PANIC !!!

 

[Do Dah Day]

Pencil to paper:
Smith
Cox
Loyer
TKR
Cluff
Jacobsen
Harris
Benter
Burgess
---- We play 8 most of the time. - I'll take those 8 to the final four.

 

[PUQBMan.]

If you don’t think these guys are getting offers BEFORE getting in the portal, you are sorely mistaken.

It’s not whether they are getting offers or not; it’s whether someone is willing to outbid what they’re already getting at Purdue to an extent that Purdue would not/could not match. If you think someone is reaching out to our 8th man in the rotation before they enter the portal to offer them millions of dollars, you’re sorely mistaken.

 

[Gemini95]

Pencil to paper (d keeping in mind the future!)
Smith
Cox
Loyer
TKR
Cluff
Jacobsen
Benter
Burgess
---- We play 8 most of the time.

So your only backup for 1-3 is a guy who hasn't played a college game yet? I sure hope not.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

Purdue got beat by Houston because they had more and better athletes on the floor. I don't remember how many offensive rebounds we gave up but it was a ton and the second chance points killed us.
That was because they had athletes who could keep the ball alive and were just quicker to the ball.

There are a lot of reasons teams win or lose and different successful teams do it different ways. I really think that Cluff is the perfect player to address the rebounding issue and DJ is perfect to address the rim protection issue.

My point is that I really believe that lateral quickness and ability to contain dribble penetration is more important as Purdue brings in a Heide/Colvin replacement than pure leaping ability is. Lance Jones couldn’t jump out of the gym, but he was quick and could guard. Same could be said about Cox. I would like to see a 6’6” player who really move and can stay in front of his man.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

If you think someone is reaching out to these guys before they enter the portal to offer them millions of dollars, you’re sorely mistaken.

Never said that.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Pencil to paper:
Smith
Cox
Loyer
TKR
Cluff
Jacobsen
Benter
Burgess
---- We play 8 most of the time. - I'll take those 8 to the final four.

Did you leave Harris out on purpose?

 

[Do Dah Day]

So your only backup for 1-3 is a guy who hasn't played a college game yet? I sure hope not.

Harris - mind burp