Agree, but CMP didn't see it or he would have played. Nothing against him, but we'll get someone that will fit what CMP wants or this team needs. IMO
Camden heide to transfer portal
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If you don’t think CH and MC were given every opportunity to claim maximum starter minutes, and to showcase their talents this past season, then I don’t know what to tell you….
If both guys aren’t better compensated for this starter/showcase dude status they are purportedly being denied, then I would question how they possessed the intelligence to be admitted to Purdue in the first place!
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Purdue got beat by Houston because they had more and better athletes on the floor. I don't remember how many offensive rebounds we gave up but it was a ton and the second chance points killed us.
That was because they had athletes who could keep the ball alive and were just quicker to the ball.
Again like Colvin the upside and what could have been is what upsets me. But he like Colvin couldn’t dribble and create his own shot. We’re not losing a lot of production although he really hit some shots there towards the end.
What's fun for the player is not the same as what's fun for the viewer.
Why does everything around here have to be a f^#&$ing "set" run? Not looking for streetball but let guys play a little.
I heard that a frank conversation was had with each player after the season, then a two week break. I wish the reason for these guys departure was shared with us as it would make our job of speculation and double-guess much easier.
I have to believe in Purdue's case, it comes down to playing time and NIL. Some leave programs to get away from the darkness in the club (i.e., IU) but I have no sense that that is the issue here.
Heidi and Colvin will be fine additions to another program, but I wish they remained here and developed to their next level.
Maybe they see the talent coming and feel now is the best time to leave for greener pastures.
I have to believe in Purdue's case, it comes down to playing time and NIL. Some leave programs to get away from the darkness in the club (i.e., IU) but I have no sense that that is the issue here.
Heidi and Colvin will be fine additions to another program, but I wish they remained here and developed to their next level.
Maybe they see the talent coming and feel now is the best time to leave for greener pastures.
The money draw is huge!!!!! Can't blame them at all, but this no longer represents a student athlete or that academics carry much weight. Now Purdue I believe will go after player that can play the three and/or four splitting some minutes in each, but can see a 2 or 3 as well...but mostly 3 type skills. All the development and planning around building a "team" shot within seconds...
If Matt wasn't picking up the Catchings' phone call after Colvin left, he is now.
Really!!?? I'm not sure this is 100% factual. We had every opportunity to beat them besides the crucial 5 point swing on bad calls. We played them neck-and-neck.
We must have become a top defense team to shut them down .... correct? No, we weren't that team.
it may be "obvious" to you , but do you really think Matt sees it "obvious" and resists the obvious to not be as good as possible? No, right or wrong Matt has too much invested to not do what he believes is obvious. He just has different priorities relative to his beliefs than some.
Yep time to get off the high horses and pedastals and realize we have to play the game, which I think Painter is clearly doing.
Brian says Painter has plenty of irons in the fire GLOBALLY, so I’m not really worried
Purdue's offense isn't an ideal fit for Heide. Same with Colvin. It's nobody's fault, it happens.
These two -- Colvin and Heide -- are incredibly athletic but not great dribble-drivers. They need to be in a more up-tempo offense, as opposed to the half-court offense Purdue runs. They want to do more than stand in the corner.
Sucks to lose them but they seem like good kids. Purdue will be fine.
I'm not going to say the almighty dollar isn't at play here, of course it is. But playing time is also at play. Both Cam and Myles were going to be juniors and neither one was looking at a starting spot. That is a recipe for transfer. Will it lead to more money? None of us know that, but I would be willing to bet that where both of them go, they will be playing more minutes than they did at PU.The money draw is huge!!!!! Can't blame them at all, but this no longer represents a student athlete or that academics carry much weight. Now Purdue I believe will go after player that can play the three and/or four splitting some minutes in each, but can see a 2 or 3 as well...but mostly 3 type skills. All the development and planning around building a "team" shot within seconds...
As far as academics, if the player so chooses, there is no reason they can't get a good degree at whatever school they transfer to. If they aren't interested in that, then fine, but transferring doesn't automatically mean a degree isn't important to them.
I'm not crazy about this new "system" we have. I'm just not willing to assign motive to people I don't know. I would venture to guess we would have seen transfers like this under the old system "no NIL" if they wouldn't have been required to sit out a year. In other words, I don't think it's just the dollars that is driving the transfers.
And Braden, obviously.
Point is, if you’re a dude, he lets you play. Colvin and Heide ain’t dudes. They are clearly complimentary pieces.
Cam had a seriously streaky year from 3. He was on fire for much of November. Then he went through a protracted dry spell in December and January. But, Cam actually shot 14/22 (64%) from 3 over the last ten games.
Or maybe, like every other human on the planet, Matt has blindspots or weak points or areas of resistance?
Disagree. We lost because we missed a bunch of open looks, and because our starting center missed the whole season.
8-27 from 3 will not win many sweet sixteen games.
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I'm sure that was as obvious to them as us. Both rely on athleticsm. Both would almost certainly do better in a system that wasn't built on pick and roll, dump it down offense. That's not a knock on our system, it's worked pretty well, but it is clear that they would do better in a system that is more free flowing, more fast breaks and more perimeter focused.
They started and failed pretty badly at it. They went back to the bench and had a few moments but nothing that suggested that in the roles they were likely to have next season in the system they were in that they were going to do any better.
I'm sure that was as obvious to them as us. Both rely on athleticsm. Both would almost certainly do better in a system that wasn't built on pick and roll, dump it down offense. That's not a knock on our system, it's worked pretty well, but it is clear that they would do better in a system that is more free flowing, more fast breaks and more perimeter focused.
I've been saying this for a while and people get their panties all in a twist about it.
Team culture is now irrelevant for the most part because you're rebuilding 40+ of your starting lineup every year.
Team chemistry also doesn't mean much when all a team has to do is write a big enough check and suddenly team chemistry doesn't seem that important.
I said a few weeks ago we weren’t gonna have the money to keep everyone. Painter was aware of this reality also.
Heide and Colvin aren't about money. They want to start, plain and simple and that was never going to happen here.
I totally acknowledge that CMP’s way is not the only way to success, but it’s incredibly tough to find fault with who he’s given (and who he HAS’NT given) free rein within the offense over the years…
Perhaps both CH and MC will find that hoops nirvana, and go all Prometheus on us, but I won’t hold my breath, in light of how other “Painter expatriates” have fared…
I’m glad that Sam the Butcher (aka Brad Underwood) is not Purdue’s coach, but I can’t fault those who find that style enticing😉
Sincere question: why would you want an unproven player like Catchings? Just because he has a physical upside or for some other reason? I'd go out and get a 23 year old.
I doubt it. What have either done to earn so much from another program that we couldn't match it?
They could start for lots of P5 programs, most of whom have new revenue sharing money to spend, on top of NIL.
It’s like Georgia losing backups to schools like Purdue in football. They have to spend most of their money on their starters., so they lose the Nyland Greens of the world… I guess it’s a good problem to have…
Could they? I don't think we know that. Certainly they can start for some, but there are 20 Heides and 20 Colvins out there in the portal right now. Every season.
I'm sure it is dollars today...potential dollars tomorrow...playing time as well. The stance of making the money and gettng a degree later has always been in play for those that went pro early. I just don't think if money was NOT involved that we would be seeing Cam and/or Myles leaving. There has always been players not getting the minutes they wanted and yet they stayed, but there wasn't the huge sums of money. I imagine if Cam got a million or so to stay at Purdue he would be there. These kids are making more in a year than many pro basketball players years ago with inflation adjusted I expect. It is what it is and Purdue lost some good guys. I understand Brian and Berg moving on for playing time and any money along the way...and yes NOT sitting out is huge in this.
It isn't about my desires...I fully get that, but I do like to see players develop new skills as they progress in school and it seems the model today really doesn't fit in college, but more like a semi pro league. In the meantime...it will be interesting to see what Matt does
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