How is this a thread? Scott screwed up and left and regretted it. Friggin move on people, he has.
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Yes, those who want to be revisionist and use Scott as an excuse to bash Painter just did.
I don't get it. Why would JO coming in affect Bryson's decision? Especially if Painter had told him he was the starting PG going into the year (I doubt the veracity of this because it is not Painter's MO). Some of these posters are talking out of both sides of their mouths. I think if the timing were examined, we might better understand Bryson's odd decision. I think the kid was mixed up and made a bad choice. A choice Painter did not want, and a decision regretted by Bryson soon after.
We would be raising hell had we gone into that year without a backup plan for PG. JO was important to the team regardless of Bryson's decision. If Bryson had practiced and played like he did in the IU - IPFW game, he would have started at Purdue. My suspicion is that you saw a one game bump in his play. Next week, same old Bryson.
No. Benching him is sending a message that the coach is in charge, not the player. If the player CHOOSES to leave because he wants to be in charge, that's on him, not the coach.
Byron's actions speak loader than words. Had he practiced and played like he should have... There I fixed it for you.
I'm not saying it wasn't the right decision but when CMP relegated Bryson to the end of the bench Bryson's odds of transferring increased dramatically. I imagine Bryson deserved to be benched and CMP was confident in his current guards and recruits to move on. But CMP moved on there is no doubt.
I was a big Bryson fan and always hoped he would fix his attitude. I'm glad he is doing well and hope he finishes his career strong. To hear his new coach talk, he has learned some lessons.
Scott is a generously-listed 6'1 combo guard who A) can't shoot, B) is a turnover machine, and C) thought he was much better than he actually was. That's a tough combination of qualities to have if you want to be a starter on a high-level B10 team.
He shot 36% from the field in two seasons at Purdue and had 73 assists and 73 turnovers. Prior to his career-night against an 0-7 MVSU team today, he was averaging 1.8 assists and 3.4 turnovers per game this season, shooting 41.5% from the field, and 26% from the arc. Hardly the type of performance that would earn him 30 minutes a game under Painter.
He shot 36% from the field in two seasons at Purdue and had 73 assists and 73 turnovers. Prior to his career-night against an 0-7 MVSU team today, he was averaging 1.8 assists and 3.4 turnovers per game this season, shooting 41.5% from the field, and 26% from the arc. Hardly the type of performance that would earn him 30 minutes a game under Painter.
A) Jon Octeus, Johnny Hill, Ronnie Johnson could not shoot B) Pj Thompson and Spike albrect cannot drive and do not push C)I concur here.
Al I'm saying is we have Pj who I prefer but he too has major weaknesses... limited athletically, not a good driver, vulnerable on defense at times.... I am not mad that CMP decided to move on from Bryson but make no mistake he did move on. Bryson was a mixed bag and I'd assume Painter decided he would rather have PJ who although he has a smaller ceiling does have a much higher floor.
When it was Bryson's shot at taking over the PG he played second fiddle to Pj and a transfer. I wish him well but Painter moved on and so did I.
The only what if I have is if we had recruited Brenton. Same athlete, better shot, and seems to have less of an ego.
I'm not going to bash Bryson, but you need to go back and listen to the coach's interview with Shon Morris right after the game. It was clear that what Bryson did during the IU game is not what he has been consistently doing at IPFW. The coach was complimentary of him, but made it clear he needs to perform like that all the time not just in the one game. That sounds pretty familiar doesn't it?
Except that Ronnie Johnson played almost exactly like Bryson and he got tons of minutes.
I understand. I was referring to this quote from his coach. “Bryson is really, really coachable,” Coffman said.
http://www.news-sentinel.com/sports/Of-the-hometown-stars--Fort-Wayne-s-Scott-shines-the-brightest
That doesn't sound at all familiar and struck me as a young man who has learned some life lessons from his mistakes. He has this year and next to prove it.
Ronnie Johnson played out of necessity, as our only other options at PG his freshman year were his brother (not a PG) and Anthony Johnson (not a PG), or walk-ons. For all of his faults, RJ at least maintained a much, much better Ast/TO ratio in both of his seasons than Scott did, and could kind of get to the hoop and finish.
Octeus really needs no comparison, but since you went there, I'll bite. He shot 49% from the field, 33% on 3's. 2.6 asts to 1.5 TO's in nearly 30 minutes a game. Scott averaged 1.1 turnovers per game in just over 1/3 the minutes played per game the season both were here.
Johnny Hill - yes, could not shoot. However, he knew his limitations and avoided jacking up awful shots, and instead managed to hit nearly 54% of the ones he did take. And had a nearly 2:1 AST/TO ratio. I'd rather somebody shoot 2-4, play solid D, and take care of the ball for 15-20 minutes each game, versus somebody who shoots 2-7, always thinks he's just 1 shot away from getting hot, and turns the ball over 3 times a game in just 10-15 minutes.
I am just saying that all of our guards in recent history have had noticeable limitations. Bryson was not around long enough and didn't get enough minutes for me to definitively say he was much worse/better than most of our recent guards.
I get your point that Bryson wasn't super effective/efficient during his tenure at Purdue. But he showed potential in ways that most of guards didn't.... capable of guarding athletic guards, the ability to get to the free throw line, etc. Also you are comparing Bryson to other flawed players who happened to be 5th year transfer students also. By the time Bryson had as much experience as Hill and Octeus I expect he would have been a better decision maker than he was as a sophomore.
In recent years we have had to pick our poison with our guards because everyone seems to have a significant weakness. I think it is unfair to say Bryson was much worse than most of our recent guards.
However, CMP moved on from him after two years of sub par expectations and although I don't think he should be bashed I understand CMP's decision.
Ps.... I specifically remember Octeus banking multiple threes in a game and he may have shot fine at Purdue but he was not a great shooter.
I think we are going down the wrong trail here. It wasn't the athletic skill or ability to shoot free throws that earned Bryson the pine ride. I don't think looking at his stats is going to tell the real story.
Bryson had the misfortune to arrive soon after RJ left. I think Painter had his fill of kids that thought they knew more than the coach. Of course Painter saw the potential in him, but Painter needed to crack through the "I'm going to win the game for us" mentality that caused problems out on the court. We saw Bryson play well against IU, but I suspect his same old flaws remain.
I think if he had stayed and allowed Painter to coach him, he would have been a player held in the same esteem as Kramer or Etwaan, but it just wasn't in his chemistry. I am not bashing the kid, and I hope he does well. He just wasn't a good fit for our approach to playing basketball.
As they sing in The movie Frozen, "Let it go"! We need to move on. Bryson has, the Boilers have and both are in a good place! Bryson was never a good fit for the Painter system he would be better suited in a system that used some kind 5 out offense and pressed on defense! PJ, Dakota and Ryan are great fits in the Painter system! And IMHO Carsen would be a great fit in any system.
Good point. Was he the lesser of two evils? Somebody had to play and given the choice I think I go with RJ, no BS, no...$hit I don't know.
We were a lousy team that year when Bryson was a Frosh, and he got almost zero minutes while Johnson played his own game. Then Bryson can't buy a minute again the next year. I don't blame Painter other than the fact double standards to a kid is often interpreted as not being fair.
The other potential factor was what was happening in practice which I don't know so...
I'm just speculating that something drove the decision other than a coach saying "I think I'll be mean to Bryson this year".
I don't disagree with anything you say but I know kids having coached a ton of them in my day and people need to look at this from Scott's perspective also. I can also say unequivocally that the old saying that a player plays like they practice is bullshit. Case in point was Porter Roberts who could make threes in practice but couldn't in games.
Your memory may be failing you. Scott played in all 32 games his freshman season, and averaged almost 16 minutes per game. Hardly a benchwarmer.
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