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Wasn't just his last hire. Burke swung and missed badly on both Hope and Hazell. Two really terrible hires right in a row. On top of this stupidity, he underfunds football driving us to the bottom of the Big Ten. Not surprisingly, the stadium quickly empties and ticket revenue craters.

Then Mitch takes over and hires a quality AD who understands which sports drive the revenue. Bobinski then makes the hire of the year in Brohm.

I will get a lot of flack for this, and that is OK. But, ADMB made a good hire in Hope, but underfunded him so badly and poached Hope's resources so badly that Hope couldn't do any better than he did. Remember, he was still going to bowl games and our team would have been much better and won more if ADMB had helped Hope as we see now with our current AD and football staff. Predicting the current football staff will do way better than Hope with proper funds and resources remains to be seen. But I understand the anticipation is exciting and worth the conversation.[/QUOTE]
In reality, Burke swung and nearly missed on his one good hire in Joe Tiller. Burke reportedly wanted to hire Mason and Bob Davie....both did horribly at their stops respectively. Burke lucked in to his hire of Tiller. The one hire Burke made that was good in athletics was Caroline Peck who immediately took the Lady Boilers to the national title....he then Burked that and refused to give her and her staff pay increases and she walked to the WNBA. Purdue should have multiple conference titles and Final Fours since 2000...instead the program has been mired in some what mediocrity since.
 
I will get a lot of flack for this, and that is OK. But, ADMB made a good hire in Hope, but underfunded him so badly and poached Hope's resources so badly that Hope couldn't do any better than he did. Remember, he was still going to bowl games and our team would have been much better and won more if ADMB had helped Hope as we see now with our current AD and football staff. Predicting the current football staff will do way better than Hope with proper funds and resources remains to be seen. But I understand the anticipation is exciting and worth the conversation.
In reality, Burke swung and nearly missed on his one good hire in Joe Tiller. Burke reportedly wanted to hire Mason and Bob Davie....both did horribly at their stops respectively. Burke lucked in to his hire of Tiller. The one hire Burke made that was good in athletics was Caroline Peck who immediately took the Lady Boilers to the national title....he then Burked that and refused to give her and her staff pay increases and she walked to the WNBA. Purdue should have multiple conference titles and Final Fours since 2000...instead the program has been mired in some what mediocrity since.[/QUOTE]

Peck had decided to leave Purdue before she even started coaching the national championship season. I don't think it was a money issue. She wanted to coach in the WNBA and the expansion franchise in Orlando afforded her that opportunity.

Not to get into a big debate, but the Painter hire was an excellent one by just about any objective observer.
 
In reality, Burke swung and nearly missed on his one good hire in Joe Tiller. Burke reportedly wanted to hire Mason and Bob Davie....both did horribly at their stops respectively. Burke lucked in to his hire of Tiller. The one hire Burke made that was good in athletics was Caroline Peck who immediately took the Lady Boilers to the national title....he then Burked that and refused to give her and her staff pay increases and she walked to the WNBA. Purdue should have multiple conference titles and Final Fours since 2000...instead the program has been mired in some what mediocrity since.

Peck had decided to leave Purdue before she even started coaching the national championship season. I don't think it was a money issue. She wanted to coach in the WNBA and the expansion franchise in Orlando afforded her that opportunity.

Not to get into a big debate, but the Painter hire was an excellent one by just about any objective observer.[/QUOTE]
I would argue the Fortner hire was a good one also, especially considering the mess that Lin Dunn created.
 
Peck had decided to leave Purdue before she even started coaching the national championship season. I don't think it was a money issue. She wanted to coach in the WNBA and the expansion franchise in Orlando afforded her that opportunity.

Not to get into a big debate, but the Painter hire was an excellent one by just about any objective observer.
I would argue the Fortner hire was a good one also, especially considering the mess that Lin Dunn created.[/QUOTE]

Agree with that as well.
 
Peck had decided to leave Purdue before she even started coaching the national championship season. I don't think it was a money issue. She wanted to coach in the WNBA and the expansion franchise in Orlando afforded her that opportunity.

Not to get into a big debate, but the Painter hire was an excellent one by just about any objective observer.

From what I have heard from some individuals, Peck was pissed at Burke for not stepping up on what she believed what she wanted to build at Purdue and didn't get the resources she needed. She was arguably one of the best 5 coaches in the country and could have built something great. I also don't fully buy the WNBA idea because they just don't get paid as well as college coaches...although a bit easier without the need to recruit and potentially babysit players for four years.
 
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From what I have heard from some individuals, Peck was pissed at Burke for not stepping up on what she believed what she wanted to build at Purdue and didn't get the resources she needed. She was arguably one of the best 5 coaches in the country and could have built something great. I also don't fully buy the WNBA idea because they just don't get paid as well as college coaches...although a bit easier without the need to recruit and potentially babysit players for four years.

I'm pretty sure you or I could've coached that team to the title. Peck was fortunate to have had that opportunity and wasn't in a position to make demands after one year anyway. I have never heard this version of things before although it would not have been uncommon for a coach to be upset with Burke.
 
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From what I have heard from some individuals, Peck was pissed at Burke for not stepping up on what she believed what she wanted to build at Purdue and didn't get the resources she needed. She was arguably one of the best 5 coaches in the country and could have built something great. I also don't fully buy the WNBA idea because they just don't get paid as well as college coaches...although a bit easier without the need to recruit and potentially babysit players for four years.

I heard the same thing from another head coach at Purdue at that time. That was also the evening I learned the other coaches all referred to Burke as Big M little organ.
 
I will get a lot of flack for this, and that is OK. But, ADMB made a good hire in Hope, but underfunded him so badly and poached Hope's resources so badly that Hope couldn't do any better than he did. Remember, he was still going to bowl games and our team would have been much better and won more if ADMB had helped Hope as we see now with our current AD and football staff. Predicting the current football staff will do way better than Hope with proper funds and resources remains to be seen. But I understand the anticipation is exciting and worth the conversation.
In reality, Burke swung and nearly missed on his one good hire in Joe Tiller. Burke reportedly wanted to hire Mason and Bob Davie....both did horribly at their stops respectively. Burke lucked in to his hire of Tiller. The one hire Burke made that was good in athletics was Caroline Peck who immediately took the Lady Boilers to the national title....he then Burked that and refused to give her and her staff pay increases and she walked to the WNBA. Purdue should have multiple conference titles and Final Fours since 2000...instead the program has been mired in some what mediocrity since.[/QUOTE]

I see that the quotes about are screwed up a little bit, but with some patience, we should be able to figure them out. The first on above is mine and was not carried over properly with the reply from JDB. His post is the one that follows and brings my comments below.

I believe your correct the MB wanted other coaches before Tiller. But, he had put Keady on the selection group that was in favor of Tiller. GK was initially in football and played a little in the NFL. So he knew football and convinced MB that Tiller was the better selection, especially when he was bringing his staff as well. I also think that selection group helped MB with the contracts for the staff that required them to stay 3 years, I believe, before they looked elsewhere for a job. I remember being in the reception room at the Alamo Bowl where I learned that one or two of the assistants were already complaining and wanted to leave following the game. Locations like Oklahoma and Nebraska came up. From that, I always felt the downfall of the last Tiller years was from the turnover in staff and that the AD was most responsible for that.

Regarding Caroline Peck, she was brought in by Coach Fortner and not MB. CP was smart enough to stay on and take over the team, but the dream of the WNBA was too much. Does anybody think MB handled the Lin Dunn stuff properly? I think that one got taken over by the school administration to keep the fallout as quiet as possible. MB = way over his head for handling people.
 
In reality, Burke swung and nearly missed on his one good hire in Joe Tiller. Burke reportedly wanted to hire Mason and Bob Davie....both did horribly at their stops respectively. Burke lucked in to his hire of Tiller. The one hire Burke made that was good in athletics was Caroline Peck who immediately took the Lady Boilers to the national title....he then Burked that and refused to give her and her staff pay increases and she walked to the WNBA. Purdue should have multiple conference titles and Final Fours since 2000...instead the program has been mired in some what mediocrity since.

I see that the quotes about are screwed up a little bit, but with some patience, we should be able to figure them out. The first on above is mine and was not carried over properly with the reply from JDB. His post is the one that follows and brings my comments below.

I believe your correct the MB wanted other coaches before Tiller. But, he had put Keady on the selection group that was in favor of Tiller. GK was initially in football and played a little in the NFL. So he knew football and convinced MB that Tiller was the better selection, especially when he was bringing his staff as well. I also think that selection group helped MB with the contracts for the staff that required them to stay 3 years, I believe, before they looked elsewhere for a job. I remember being in the reception room at the Alamo Bowl where I learned that one or two of the assistants were already complaining and wanted to leave following the game. Locations like Oklahoma and Nebraska came up. From that, I always felt the downfall of the last Tiller years was from the turnover in staff and that the AD was most responsible for that.

Regarding Caroline Peck, she was brought in by Coach Fortner and not MB. CP was smart enough to stay on and take over the team, but the dream of the WNBA was too much. Does anybody think MB handled the Lin Dunn stuff properly? I think that one got taken over by the school administration to keep the fallout as quiet as possible. MB = way over his head for handling people.[/QUOTE]

MB was way way way in over his head as AD. Ok guy, but looked at this through a tiny lens. Failing to pickup on obvious upgrades to football facilities in particular in a timely way to maintain momentum. I wouldn't call his efforts there entirely bad though. Purdue did rebuild what was at one point the worst stadium standing in the big10, probably all of major conference college fb. This rebuild development must continue onward into the future to keep up with conference rivals. Obvious deficiencies in offseason transition year over year with coaches, salaries, weight conditioning programs, and recruiting assistance programs. Took far too much of a risk on DH. With the program completely on the rocks 4 years ago it was imperative that he spent the time to ensure an effective hire. Someone like JB would have been exactly what was needed then. Some of the first things to look for in a coach are personality, proven track record, and style of play for the program. DH did't come average in any of those categories. He went hat in hand and ended up failing to get the coach from Cinci, who would have been a moderate hire. He failed to hire several very now successful hires at other programs. I never got the feeling he had a good relationship with Tiller overall and had the impression that he treated the football program as a lessor importance program that was drifting along with no direction under his leadership.
 
[/QUOTE] MB was way way way in over his head as AD. Ok guy, but looked at this through a tiny lens. Failing to pickup on obvious upgrades to football facilities in particular in a timely way to maintain momentum. I wouldn't call his efforts there entirely bad though. Purdue did rebuild what was at one point the worst stadium standing in the big10, probably all of major conference college fb. This rebuild development must continue onward into the future to keep up with conference rivals. Obvious deficiencies in offseason transition year over year with coaches, salaries, weight conditioning programs, and recruiting assistance programs. Took far too much of a risk on DH. With the program completely on the rocks 4 years ago it was imperative that he spent the time to ensure an effective hire. Someone like JB would have been exactly what was needed then. Some of the first things to look for in a coach are personality, proven track record, and style of play for the program. DH did't come average in any of those categories. He went hat in hand and ended up failing to get the coach from Cinci, who would have been a moderate hire. He failed to hire several very now successful hires at other programs. I never got the feeling he had a good relationship with Tiller overall and had the impression that he treated the football program as a lessor importance program that was drifting along with no direction under his leadership.[/QUOTE]

I can agree with you on this. My impression of MB was that he was short on personality. He got left standing at the alter following the Alamo Bowl victory over Kansas State. The athletic staff made a big deal to all attending alumni to go to the team hotel after the game and meet in a large meeting room. The team and coaches were to come into the room and celebrate with us. Well, it got to about 1AM and the team had not come to the room. MB stood up there and sort of did "stand up comedy" for over 30 minutes. He wasn't funny as we all were a tired, but happy, bunch. Then the crowd started to dwindle. It was over and MB was left without making good on his promise the team would attend.
 
MB was way way way in over his head as AD. Ok guy, but looked at this through a tiny lens. Failing to pickup on obvious upgrades to football facilities in particular in a timely way to maintain momentum. I wouldn't call his efforts there entirely bad though. Purdue did rebuild what was at one point the worst stadium standing in the big10, probably all of major conference college fb. This rebuild development must continue onward into the future to keep up with conference rivals. Obvious deficiencies in offseason transition year over year with coaches, salaries, weight conditioning programs, and recruiting assistance programs. Took far too much of a risk on DH. With the program completely on the rocks 4 years ago it was imperative that he spent the time to ensure an effective hire. Someone like JB would have been exactly what was needed then. Some of the first things to look for in a coach are personality, proven track record, and style of play for the program. DH did't come average in any of those categories. He went hat in hand and ended up failing to get the coach from Cinci, who would have been a moderate hire. He failed to hire several very now successful hires at other programs. I never got the feeling he had a good relationship with Tiller overall and had the impression that he treated the football program as a lessor importance program that was drifting along with no direction under his leadership.[/QUOTE]

I can agree with you on this. My impression of MB was that he was short on personality. He got left standing at the alter following the Alamo Bowl victory over Kansas State. The athletic staff made a big deal to all attending alumni to go to the team hotel after the game and meet in a large meeting room. The team and coaches were to come into the room and celebrate with us. Well, it got to about 1AM and the team had not come to the room. MB stood up there and sort of did "stand up comedy" for over 30 minutes. He wasn't funny as we all were a tired, but happy, bunch. Then the crowd started to dwindle. It was over and MB was left without making good on his promise the team would attend.[/QUOTE]
Ouch. That sounds like the Office episode where Michael Scott promised everyone "a big surprise" at 5:00, and it came and went with him hemming and hawing, and then all the employees left one by one as they realized there was no surprise. Awkward.
 
I read this on a message board. I do not recall the poster, but his other posts seemed accurate. his post was that hope was fired after the Minnesota game and that Morgan had an under the table dea l at that time with the Northern Illinois coach to replace him, and it would be announced at the end of the year and each coach would finish coaching their respective school, and the announcement would be made at the end of the year. because of that agreement, Morgan didn't do any additional searching for a replacement.

As luck would have it, that Northern Ill coach ended up doing better than planned and got noticed and accepted a job at NC st instead. and that put Morgan into a panic mode, so he formed a quick committee late in the process, and missed out on butch Jones and two other possible coaches, and ended up taking the committee's recommendation - hazell. he got in a rush, and didn't do any research and just went with their recommendation.
 
That's really not true.

Hazell was a respectable hire at that time. And Burke put together a search committee to help with that process.

Hazell had a great resume, had tremendous success at a mid-major doormat, and (this has to be said) we were hiring a black coach with that background.

On the face, it had all the makings of a VERY solid hire.
I agree with everything you have said, but one issue needs to be understood. We did not use an executive recruiter and relied on a search committee to make the judgements. A search committee does not do the underlying research and in depth interviewing associated with evaluating potential candidates that an executive recruiter does. Hazell did not have a proven track record and there was no evidence that he was an effective recruited or developer of talent. Norm
 
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I agree with everything you have said, but one issue needs to be understood. We did not use an executive recruiter and relied on a search committee to make the judgements. A search committee does not do the underlying research and in depth interviewing associated with evaluating potential candidates that an executive recruiter does. Hazell did not have a proven track record and there was no evidence that he was an effective recruited or developer of talent. Norm

All good points. Thank you, Norm.

Do you know (and maybe I should), was an executive recruiter used when Brohm was hired? And, is that customary when recruiting a high-major D1 coach?

(I'm not sure the 2nd part is relevant. Customary or not, given what's at stake we're probably well-advised to use one.)
 
But he was not a good fit with his style of play for Purdue. Too bad the all smart search committee didn't consider that.

How do you know they didn't?

One of the downsides with Hazell was that he only had 2 years at KSU. Which means he was playing to the strengths of his roster.

Candidly, people on this forum are all too quick to rush to judgement in an effort to get to the tarring and feathering, when in reality they know little of what goes (or went) on behind the scenes.
 
How do you know they didn't?

One of the downsides with Hazell was that he only had 2 years at KSU. Which means he was playing to the strengths of his roster.

Candidly, people on this forum are all too quick to rush to judgement in an effort to get to the tarring and feathering, when in reality they know little of what goes (or went) on behind the scenes.

curious as to what you know behind the scenes.

was hazell expected to have a vastly different offense coming in, did he not have enough time to implement?

i figured with tressel on the committee as well, it would not be a huge surprise
 
All good points. Thank you, Norm.

Do you know (and maybe I should), was an executive recruiter used when Brohm was hired? And, is that customary when recruiting a high-major D1 coach?

(I'm not sure the 2nd part is relevant. Customary or not, given what's at stake we're probably well-advised to use one.)
They used some outfit out of Chicago to conduct a lot of the early stage communications through... but forget the name of it...
 
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