Isn't that the literal purpose of message boards? Different ideas being discussed? Do you seriously just want an echo chamber? How would you like an echo chamber if nobody agreed with you? Would you submit to the group think or are you confident enough to maintain your view? Think about that for a second. I feel pretty confident that you'd continue to speak your position.
I'm absolutely not in the anything is better than what we have camp. I'm in the find a better guy camp. I don't wish for any cheater at all either. Of course if the goal is simply change more plans go down. I'm not advocating for that, However, if one does go down, I certainly want something else before I climb aboard. I know I don't want that pilot or mechanic, which ever one failed. But, this an extreme metaphor. LOL
Emotional Purdue fan: “FIRE PAINTER!!”
Isn't all caps yelling? I've never done that. "Rational" people don't exaggerate like that either. They're confident enough in their position and can articulate it without ad homs and extrapolating beyond what is actually said. Unless you weren't saying that's how I debate. Were you? I feel pretty confident that just saying we can do better isnt being emotional. Saying setting a clear and undeniable low is not good enough.
Is this better:
I'm not sure any coach is an answer. Is the coach at Michigan, NC, O$U, Rutgers, KY, IU, Marquette, Baylor, TX A&M,
How about this:
My plan is move on and find a better coach. Take the next step. Move forward into 2024. I'm just not afraid of the green door. Some people fear risk and can't tolerate it. I'm not one of them. I'd like Bob to feel the same.
So you want to fire the B1G champion coach with no idea who to replace him with. Makes sense.
Yes I want to move on from the coach that has lost to 3 double digit seeds in the NCAA in a row. The one that just did something than no other coach has ever done in the history of college basketball........lose to a play in team. A feat that may never be matched ever in the history of college basketball. A feat that now has sportswriters dubbing us "Chokers of the decade". Of....The......Decade. That's "decade". If he's inept in the tourney for 2 years by double digit seeds and then jokes around with a reporter in a hall because he's so un-serious.......and then gets taken out by a play in team? Yeah, he's not even serious at all. Time to go.
New Pal is a low-consciousness human being. The Allegory of the Cave describes his situation and state of consciousness.
That sounds like a well thought-out plan:
Hey Deac! How’s your “FIRE MATT PAINTER Raising Awareness” campaign going? Gaining any traction?
What sort of blackmail does Painter have on you? Naked pictures or something?
Cmon man!
This is a common thought by many that I'm trying to follow and not directed to you, but to the thought in what you stated for my own understanding.
Some of Painter’s teams have looked tighter in the NCAA than in the regular season.
I agree. If true on what you and I agree, the obvious question is why? But first does looking tighter mean wound up tighter or could someone look tight due to another cause that isn't exactly being wound tighter? I don't know, but believe there could be more than one cause of looking wound tighter. Do we think this is imposed by Matt or player imposed and for which ever answer is correct that we may never know...why? Is there more pressure by Matt or the players on an early NCAA game or a Big Championship? Winning a game in the tourney wins nothing, but winning a game that determines the championship does. Would a player be more wound tight in a Big Championship game than an early NCAA game that most likely is not as good a team as the Championship game. I think so and that is a bit of the dilemma I had when I alluded to a theory that I cannot reconcile due to other observations. If a "team" is wound tight, then it seems it is unlikely that all the individual players would all be wound tight. You would think "some" player wouldn't feel pressure self imposed or by Matt. Like others I too don't know, but I'm not sure I can come to grips that "pressure" is the culprit behind what is "observed" that we interpret as "wound tight". The team came out against FDU with Zach shooting short and player having no problem flying up and down the court letting it fly. The actual early play was a bit loose...that did end up looking tight as the game went on when nobody could make a shot. Players collectively say Matt keeps them loose...and they seem to volunteer that unlike being backed into a corner. Perhaps looking wound tight is not a pressure related thing? What other things could provide a similar appearance?
I would disagree here. Always more pressure in any win-or-your-seasons-over NCAA game than any other game, especially when you are a heavy favorite, and even more so as the game stays close deep into the 2nd half.
Not exactly. None of your comments gave reason for success in the season and not in the tourney...particularly if it is true that Matt never changes things. You enlisted what you believed was the common denominator you believe, but not why it is not problem in the season and is in the tourney. Therefore, it is more complex that just saying its' Matt's fault...at least at this time. If it is, and you have a reasonable "starting place" with Matt in the tourney...why the difference in the season? I'm sure Matt has asked this amongst the other coaches as well. That is the crux of the situation
Only someone that’s a complete imbecile would conclude that, but those are becoming pretty common and this place and other social media have proven that out.
You jumped into players and that could be a whole another thread and drawing conclusions based upon your personal interpretation of events which may or may not be correct. Why would we think this team would start out a game against a team they should comfortably win thinking they played not to lose, instead of playing to win? Now if Purdue had a tight game in the closing minutes people might see things they disagreed with and think they were playing not to lose. Now a senior...the tourney is over, but a freshman or ... other players coming back don't have the same kind of pressure assuming all the other variables are the same. I'm just not ready to jump into too much pressure under the bright lights. Perhaps I will someday, but there are too many conflicting things IMO because we apparently don't share the same view on pressure points at this time for me...not that my understanding is important to anyone but me...
my take was, our guys realized they were in trouble early, playing a team that was quicker at every position, and that, added to the pressure of being a 1 seed playing the 16 seed, snowballed into a crippling, paralyzing fear of failure.You jumped into players and that could be a whole another thread and drawing conclusions based upon your personal interpretation of events which may or may not be correct. Why would we think this team would start out a game against a team they should comfortably win thinking they played not to lose, instead of playing to win? Now if Purdue had a tight game in the closing minutes people might see things they disagreed with and think they were playing not to lose. Now a senior...the tourney is over, but a freshman or ... other players coming back don't have the same kind of pressure assuming all the other variables are the same. I'm just not ready to jump into too much pressure under the bright lights. Perhaps I will someday, but there are too many conflicting things IMO because we apparently don't share the same view on pressure points at this time for me...not that my understanding is important to anyone but me...
Here is what I consider a contributing factor. We had a Freshmen back court. Painter played them a lot of minutes every game, especially Smith. A high school season is nothing like a D1 B10G season. It's long and grueling. I think Painter ran them into the dirt, wore them out and they hit the wall. Loyer was a shell of himself late in the season.
I don’t know if I would go quite that far, but there is definitely some truth to that.
Entirely possible, I'm just not at that point...not that it matters.
I do believe it would be the "standard answer" though. This team has had a lot of close games and not sure they thought they were in any trouble early or how I answer last year and so forth between tourney and season. What answers satisfy season versus tourney differences with different teams...when many have said Matt keeps it loose so they "don't" tighten up?
An effect, but does it answer the difference between season and tourney...not just this year, but last year as an example? I think it is easy to see that FDU at least last week, was better than many believed. Were they better than some of the other teams Purdue played towards the end of the season? The question isn't so much about one game, but season versus tourney at least the last couple of years. The thoughts from some are that Matt is not a good coach and yet he does well in the season. How does a coach do well in the season and not in the tourney...and not just this year.
Purdue had older more physically mature bodies last year. Were they ran into the ground? What about other years...what did Matt do then between season and tourney. Matt's team in the season does well. Matt's team in the tourney does not. What changes for the guy that many think doesn't change or is too stubborn to change...knowing there are different teams at play? Focusing on any specific issues this year does not answer the bigger question. I could do specifics in other years as well, but it comes back to season versus tourney over years and so individual things people can point towards may be very true for a single game. the initial thought was based upon a visual interpretation was "wound tight". I agree with that visual. The standard answer is stress due to not being prepared for the situation at hand or stage fright and so forth. Players say Matt keeps them loose. Did Purdue have stage fright playing a team many thought Purdue would beat by 20+ and does Purdue have stage fright other years? Do coaches think that?
Obviously. And obviously he did with guys like Carsen, Cline, Ivey, Kramer, etc.
Yes, true I did not say why and I said it was late and stay tuned. So now here are multiple reasons why Purdue flames out in the tourney.
"Coaching this time of year doesn’t necessarily translate to a play drawn on a clipboard or an inspirational locker room speech. It’s the quiet confidence that comes from knowing that you are playing in a program — and for a coach — that has been here before and pulled through." This can’t be said about Painter.
