Biggie will go pro so he might as well tear it up

[Summy1]

I heard someone say they hope biggie comes back next season and hopes he does just not enough to get drafted. I am the opposite. I say let him have an all American type of year and tear it up for Purdue. Lets hope he has some monster games during the Big Ten season and postseason.

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

I heard someone say they hope biggie comes back next season and hopes he does just not enough to get drafted. I am the opposite. I say let him have an all American type of year and tear it up for Purdue. Lets hope he has some monster games during the Big Ten season and postseason.

dammit this again?

 

[todd brewster]

If it has to do with ability, he is gone. If we make the Big 8 and he goes, I think in 20 years, he will look back and think he should have stayed. An extra year gives one maturity and extra insight into the NBA game. It would also be well worth it to him to see if we can win it all next year.

 

[Boilermaker]

If it has to do with ability, he is gone. If we make the Big 8 and he goes, I think in 20 years, he will look back and think he should have stayed. An extra year gives one maturity and extra insight into the NBA game. It would also be well worth it to him to see if we can win it all next year.

The desire to help a destitute family that he loves is a powerful draw for the NBA paycheck. I very much respect Caleb for that and can't fault him one bit if he is a first round lock. Could he improve his stock next year? Perhaps, maybe even likely. But he could get injured or go into a slump, however unlikely each may be. Plus having his family in such dire straights for another year may be a trade-off he simply does not want to take even though he may lose some money declaring this year. He and Rosie have certainly discussed all these factors at length and whatever decision he makes I will be happy for him.

 

[Foolmeoncefan]

If it has to do with ability, he is gone. If we make the Big 8 and he goes, I think in 20 years, he will look back and think he should have stayed. An extra year gives one maturity and extra insight into the NBA game. It would also be well worth it to him to see if we can win it all next year.

Leaving after 2 years? I wouldn't advise that unless you want to get cute on draft day to spend next five years of your life playing in Europe league. Got to get a lot quicker. Only time a player should leave after 2 years is if that player thinks they can play right now in NBA. Otherwise at least give it 3 years.

 

[PistolPt]

In 20 years with smart money management he will be living off the interest his millions made from going pro next year! I would love to see him stay another year but he's playing like a guy whose desire is going to make him a first round draft choice. Good for Biggie and just enjoying time we have with him.

 

[todd brewster]

The desire to help a destitute family that he loves is a powerful draw for the NBA paycheck. I very much respect Caleb for that and can't fault him one bit if he is a first round lock. Could he improve his stock next year? Perhaps, maybe even likely. But he could get injured or go into a slump, however unlikely each may be. Plus having his family in such dire straights for another year may be a trade-off he simply does not want to take even though he may lose some money declaring this year. He and Rosie have certainly discussed all these factors at length and whatever decision he makes I will be happy for him.

I did not realize his "adoptive" family is destitute. If so, you are right.

 

[Boilermaker]

There was a linked story about his past, it is truly amazing that Caleb is where he is. And Rosie is my hero for what he did to help Caleb. If someone has it, please post the link. It is inspiring and sad. Suffice it to say, his blood relatives are (or at least were) very destitute, very.

 

[Boilermaker]

There was a linked story about his past, it is truly amazing that Caleb is where he is. And Rosie is my hero for what he did to help Caleb. If someone has it, please post the link. It is inspiring and sad. Suffice it to say, his blood relatives are (or at least were) very destitute, very.

Found the story: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...nd-hoops-caleb-swanigans-rough-road-to-purdue

I was referring to the blood relatives he left behind when he went to live with Rosie. He still loves them and wants to help them, so who can blame him for wanting that NBA paycheck. That is why I had a lot of sympathy for him last year when he tried so hard to get drafted. He certainly made the right decision to come back, but I am sure it wasn't an easy one. Perhaps many did not realize that was one of (if not THE) reasons he was so hellbent on joining the NBA.

 

[Foolmeoncefan]

In 20 years with smart money management he will be living off the interest his millions made from going pro next year! I would love to see him stay another year but he's playing like a guy whose desire is going to make him a first round draft choice. Good for Biggie and just enjoying time we have with him.

Oh I highly doubt that. 80 percent of athletes go bankrupt. They might think that they're mostly dead wrong. The reality is a player coming out early is getting little licker money and playing in Europe with the little guys. Probably won't get a shot. The financial return is infinitely more chancing a full exposure year with an experienced team than some run of the mill oh we made sweet 16 I did well was a leader in this or that in conf. Not gonna cut it. Perfect your game in college before getting drafted, able to start in nba or legitimately compete for starting position, or stay another year in college to up ur stock. Entering draft with deficiencies is the one way ticket to playing in Europe for licker level cash en route to depreciating assets here on out. If just looking for a low round 1 pick or maybe a 2nd round early pick now, make a few mill, but play most the career in Europe on tour 2nd year exit is way to go. Otherwise up ur stock another year w/ experiment team prepared for greatness on big stage.

 

[BoilerAndy]

Oh I highly doubt that. 80 percent of athletes go bankrupt. They might think that they're mostly dead wrong. The reality is a player coming out early is getting little licker money and playing in Europe with the little guys. Probably won't get a shot. The financial return is infinitely more chancing a full exposure year with an experienced team than some run of the mill oh we made sweet 16 I did well was a leader in this or that in conf. Not gonna cut it. Perfect your game in college before getting drafted, able to start in nba or legitimately compete for starting position, or stay another year in college to up ur stock. Entering draft with deficiencies is the one way ticket to playing in Europe for licker level cash en route to depreciating assets here on out. If just looking for a low round 1 pick or maybe a 2nd round early pick now, make a few mill, but play most the career in Europe on tour 2nd year exit is way to go. Otherwise up ur stock another year w/ experiment team prepared for greatness on big stage.

Ah, but Pistol started his point with "In 20 years with smart money management..." The 80% of athletes you are describing obviously did not practice smart money management.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Ah, but Pistol started his point with "In 20 years with smart money management..." The 80% of athletes you are describing obviously did not practice smart money management.

I am guessing Rosie will help to keep him from turning into the next Antoine walker.

 

[Summy1]

You guys act like he may be back. The only way he comes back is if he doesn't get drafted

 

[FiveWeight]

He's not coming back, and it will be a good thing for Purdue that he will have been shown smart for staying this year. He has shown crazy determination to change his life based on his adoptive father's advice. You'd have to expect that advice will continue in the form of how to take care of his money and loved ones responsibly, and I expect Biggie will continue to trust the man who showed him how to succeed. I just don't see someone who changed their whole life in such a dramatic way suddenly reverting to a lack of discipline, so long as he has that positive influence who he has learned to trust. I hope Rosie writes a book or something, or in some other way is able to inspire others to do what he has done. This world could use a lot more people like him.

 

[TC4THREE]

I want him to do the best he can and if that means he goes pro then he does. Still think it would be a mistake to go if he's not a first rounder but it's his mistake to make if he wants to make it.

Best solution, dominate the rest of the season and play your way into the lottery while leading us to a national championship. Then go make your bank and everyone is happy.

 

[TC4THREE]

Found the story: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...nd-hoops-caleb-swanigans-rough-road-to-purdue

I was referring to the blood relatives he left behind when he went to live with Rosie. He still loves them and wants to help them, so who can blame him for wanting that NBA paycheck. That is why I had a lot of sympathy for him last year when he tried so hard to get drafted. He certainly made the right decision to come back, but I am sure it wasn't an easy one. Perhaps many did not realize that was one of (if not THE) reasons he was so hellbent on joining the NBA.

Getting drafted doesn't guarantee him anything unless it's in the first round.

He might also consider Etwaun who stayed all four years and didn't go first round but was able to develop fully and cash in big on a couple of post-rookie contracts.

More than one way to get to the money and the fastest way is not always the best way. Like I said above it's his choice to make and his risk to take and he will have to live with the outcome of whatever decision he makes. Hopefully he plays his way into the first round and this discussion is meaningless. Whenever someone references a mock draft on here though the results haven't been positive for him.

 

[Foolmeoncefan]

Getting drafted doesn't guarantee him anything unless it's in the first round.

He might also consider Etwaun who stayed all four years and didn't go first round but was able to develop fully and cash in big on a couple of post-rookie contracts.

More than one way to get to the money and the fastest way is not always the best way. Like I said above it's his choice to make and his risk to take and he will have to live with the outcome of whatever decision he makes. Hopefully he plays his way into the first round and this discussion is meaningless. Whenever someone references a mock draft on here though the results haven't been positive for him.

My philosophy is he can be a second rounder this year and equal that next year. He doesn't hurt himself at all staying another year at Purdue. Another leap of strength, practice, quickness and skill can only help him. And the stage can only get bigger with a more experienced team. He needs at least one more year. Once you commit to leaving at one level you can easily get typecast and then it's a long career in Europe. In NBA it's athleticism. The fact is his current advantages at college level won't match in nba and he has some more work to do. 3 year minimum player. I think him jumping after two years may simply be too soon. If nba considers you at a certain level now and you are at same level next year you can only help yourself staying additional year because the team will be better and you really have a year to showcase your skills. It can only be favorable.

 

[njm8845]

My philosophy is he can be a second rounder this year and equal that next year. He doesn't hurt himself at all staying another year at Purdue. Another leap of strength, practice, quickness and skill can only help him. And the stage can only get bigger with a more experienced team. He needs at least one more year. Once you commit to leaving at one level you can easily get typecast and then it's a long career in Europe. In NBA it's athleticism. The fact is his current advantages at college level won't match in nba and he has some more work to do. 3 year minimum player. I think him jumping after two years may simply be too soon. If nba considers you at a certain level now and you are at same level next year you can only help yourself staying additional year because the team will be better and you really have a year to showcase your skills. It can only be favorable.

I've always repeated the maxim that you shouldn't go pro unless you get guaranteed money. But he's a man among boys this year, and I can't see him improving his stock much more.

They being said, I'm shocked that he's not on this list. http://www.nbadraft.net/2017mock_draft

I'd think he's a better prospect than OG and beachum.

 

[BoilerinLouisville]

He is also thinking about injuries, they happen and could wreck his decision if he stays. We want guys that make it to league, as the coaching staff speaks to it to future recruits.

 

[TC4THREE]

He is also thinking about injuries, they happen and could wreck his decision if he stays. We want guys that make it to league, as the coaching staff speaks to it to future recruits.

Injuries are irrelevant if he goes and doesn't get drafted or doesn't make a roster as a second round draft pick. In fact, I'd say for him that if he can possibly finish his degree in a third season that would be a reason to stay because there is little guaranteed in a future in basketball. Degree is a great fallback plan in case of injury or if you just don't make as much as you hope.

That said, I want him to be a first round pick and want him to go when he is. It seems he may not be at that level though. Hopefully he changes some opinions with his play the rest of the season.

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

 

[njm8845]

Injuries are irrelevant if he goes and doesn't get drafted or doesn't make a roster as a second round draft pick. In fact, I'd say for him that if he can possibly finish his degree in a third season that would be a reason to stay because there is little guaranteed in a future in basketball. Degree is a great fallback plan in case of injury or if you just don't make as much as you hope.

That said, I want him to be a first round pick and want him to go when he is. It seems he may not be at that level though. Hopefully he changes some opinions with his play the rest of the season.

He can get his degree anytime. An athlete only has about a decade to make real money, so I would never fault anybody trying to go after it when they can.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Injuries are irrelevant if he goes and doesn't get drafted or doesn't make a roster as a second round draft pick. In fact, I'd say for him that if he can possibly finish his degree in a third season that would be a reason to stay because there is little guaranteed in a future in basketball. Degree is a great fallback plan in case of injury or if you just don't make as much as you hope.

That said, I want him to be a first round pick and want him to go when he is. It seems he may not be at that level though. Hopefully he changes some opinions with his play the rest of the season.

He can get his degree anytime. An athlete only has about a decade to make real money, so I would never fault anybody trying to go after it when they can.

This. I'm sure Rosie has made this abundantly clear to him.

 

[Foolmeoncefan]

He can get his degree anytime. An athlete only has about a decade to make real money, so I would never fault anybody trying to go after it when they can.

If he isn't a high first round pick he should stay without question. At no point should he go unless an agent can look him in the face and say you are a top 15 pick. Otherwise all he is doing is collecting a paycheck he would of gotten anyway next year except next year it would of been far more money. Going too early assures a long career in scrub European league. How many Purdue players has that happened to? How can leaving early possibly help a player short of being a lottery pick. Not a good idea. College is a showcase to be a top pick. If you aren't a top pick you absolutely should stay. Gotta weigh in on a possible year next year of a final four appearance. That's the kind of stage that could propel a solid pick and big money. Leaving early for money reasons signals bad signs to scouts as well. It's one thing if you are that good and get that kind of money secondarily. It's another if scouts take you for deficient in many areas and you want to leave early over having another year to develop just to get money. If you aren't ready don't go all in. It's a sure way to lose the poker game.

 

[TC4THREE]

He can get his degree anytime. An athlete only has about a decade to make real money, so I would never fault anybody trying to go after it when they can.

Unless they have switched to lifetime scholarships then it won't be free to do so. That cost may or may not be relevant based on what type of career he has playing basketball which is the entire starting point of this discussion anyway.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Unless they have switched to lifetime scholarships then it won't be free to do so. That cost may or may not be relevant based on what type of career he has playing basketball which is the entire starting point of this discussion anyway.

My point is that Rosie is very well off, and I would bet he has told biggie not to worry about the cost of going back and getting his degree, and not to factor that into his decision. But I cannot prove this obviously.

And to your point on E'twaun, he just signed his first big contract this offseason, at age 27. He has been making under $1 million a year until now, not that that's chump change. But this may be his only huge deal, as he won't be a free agent again until 31.

 

[Erock_94]

His family has been poor this long, they can be poor for another couple years. He should do what is best for HIM, and get a degree to fall back on and some pride for HIM.

 

[TC4THREE]

My point is that Rosie is very well off, and I would bet he has told biggie not to worry about the cost of going back and getting his degree, and not to factor that into his decision. But I cannot prove this obviously.

And to your point on E'twaun, he just signed his first big contract this offseason, at age 27. He has been making under $1 million a year until now, not that that's chump change. But this may be his only huge deal, as he won't be a free agent again until 31.

Well really any guaranteed NBA contract is pretty big money. That is the key though. Guaranteed. You miss out on the NBA money and who knows? Just my opinion but that would be my goal if I had pro aspirations. If that meant leaving after one year without having done much (thinking of the Davis kid from MSU last year) then that's what I'd do. If that means staying all four years to develop my game so that I was the best I could possibly be for my NBA opportunity like Etwaun then that's what I'd do.

I'd say if Caleb wants to go pro then he should dominate the rest of this year on the way to the Final Four and then see what the pros have to say to him. All he can do is all he can do but it's up to him to make the right decision for himself at the end of the year based on the circumstances around him. Right or wrong, it's his decision to make.

 

[Summy1]

were players really make their mark is postseason play. If he dominates in the BT tournament and has great games in the tournament and purdue advances far to show case his skills, that would benefit him greatly

 

[SCBoiler1]

Biggie has put up some amazing numbers lately, but I just scanned a few mock draft boards and he's not listed anywhere. I guess I thought he was certain to go based on his flirtation last year and his improved play but based on what I see from the draft sights I think its to early to say "he's gone".

 

[Feace]

For one, he is putting up these numbers, as awesome as they are, against low level competition and/or smaller players. He needs to prove himself against big 10 players.
For 2, I don't know that he was as hell bent on getting drafted last year as everyone thinks he was. I think Rosie coached him up as if he were interviewing for his first job right out of college. He stated many times that he was willing to do whatever was asked, even if it meant being the guy at the end of the bench, etc. any team that would take him...
My point is that he went at it with a business like attitude, listened to the experts and came back and has improved, especially in the areas that he was told he needed to. Don't get me wrong, had they told him he was a first rounder I think he would have left. However, they didn't, so he came back. I don't think it was that hard of a decision for him in reality.
All that being said, I think he takes the exact same approach this year. If he earns his way into the first round, he is gone. If not, I think he comes back. As someone else said, he isn't even on a draft board yet. But he does have plenty of opportunity to up his stock. I say it's 50/50, we will see. What I HOPE happens is that he is national player of the year, we win the championship and he is the number one pick. But I doubt it...

 

[Dryfly88]

For one, he is putting up these numbers, as awesome as they are, against low level competition and/or smaller players. He needs to prove himself against big 10 players.
For 2, I don't know that he was as hell bent on getting drafted last year as everyone thinks he was. I think Rosie coached him up as if he were interviewing for his first job right out of college. He stated many times that he was willing to do whatever was asked, even if it meant being the guy at the end of the bench, etc. any team that would take him...
My point is that he went at it with a business like attitude, listened to the experts and came back and has improved, especially in the areas that he was told he needed to. Don't get me wrong, had they told him he was a first rounder I think he would have left. However, they didn't, so he came back. I don't think it was that hard of a decision for him in reality.
All that being said, I think he takes the exact same approach this year. If he earns his way into the first round, he is gone. If not, I think he comes back. As someone else said, he isn't even on a draft board yet. But he does have plenty of opportunity to up his stock. I say it's 50/50, we will see. What I HOPE happens is that he is national player of the year, we win the championship and he is the number one pick. But I doubt it...

As far as the bolded part: Check out his numbers against Nova, UL and ND. As good, if not better competition than he will see in the B1G.

 

[atmafola]

staying around an extra year won't improve his draft prospect. He should go this year!

 

[Summy1]

Biggie has put up some amazing numbers lately, but I just scanned a few mock draft boards and he's not listed anywhere. I guess I thought he was certain to go based on his flirtation last year and his improved play but based on what I see from the draft sights I think its to early to say "he's gone".

When were they last updated?

 

[TC4THREE]

staying around an extra year won't improve his draft prospect. He should go this year!

Did he improve his draft stock by coming back this year?

 

[njm8845]

His family has been poor this long, they can be poor for another couple years.

That's a hell of a lot easier said than done.

I looked at draft boards as well, and am shocked that he's not projected even as a second rounder.

The worst case scenario is if he goes, but ends up in the d-league. If it's realistic that he's only got an outside chance of being drafted, obviously he should stay. Good news for Purdue fans.

 

[atmafola]

Did he improve his draft stock by coming back this year?

freshman to soph is a bit different.
staying till his junior year, then he might as well come back for his senior year.
Look at recent drafts, and upperclassmen don't do that well. If I have a rule for making the jump, it's if you get the opportunity to get drafted as a juniorclassman, always do it.

 

[atmafola]

That's a hell of a lot easier said than done.

I looked at draft boards as well, and am shocked that he's not projected even as a second rounder.

The worst case scenario is if he goes, but ends up in the d-league. If it's realistic that he's only got an outside chance of being drafted, obviously he should stay. Good news for Purdue fans.

Those will change as the season goes on especially if he continues to tear it up.

 

[TC4THREE]

freshman to soph is a bit different.
staying till his junior year, then he might as well come back for his senior year.
Look at recent drafts, and upperclassmen don't do that well. If I have a rule for making the jump, it's if you get the opportunity to get drafted as a juniorclassman, always do it.

I agree with that rule. I just question if that applies to this scenario. He just doesn't show up on most of the mock drafts that people have discussed here.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

That's a hell of a lot easier said than done.

I looked at draft boards as well, and am shocked that he's not projected even as a second rounder.

The worst case scenario is if he goes, but ends up in the d-league. If it's realistic that he's only got an outside chance of being drafted, obviously he should stay. Good news for Purdue fans.

Worst case is he makes six figures overseas. As someone else pointed out, willie deane made 600K a year and James Augustine made over $1 million a year.