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[pig1960]

Sorry, I'm not sold on CE being the the "Savior ". He is exciting and I am happy that he is a Boiler, but I just don't see his choices as being the best at this point.

I haven't seen "Savior" used anywhere in this thread in regards to CE(except your post). I have seen terms less endearing being used including the assertion he lost the Gold Medal game singlehandedly. Really. Pitiful.Takes. He's a baller...two solid NCAA coaches seem to feel he can hoop pretty well. A few keyboard warriors disagree. I'll go with my own eye test and the opinion of Cal and Matt.

 

[BoilerBabyGirl]

Michael Jordan has the highest usage rate all time in the NBA. Kobe sits at 5. Nobody wants those ball pigs on their team...amirite?

I was talking about single season usage rates. But if you want to play it your way Michael Jordan had 5 losing seasons to go with his 6 championships. That's not very consistent. I bet the most consistent winners in NBA history had far less usage than Michael and Kobe.

 

[70boiler]

...two solid NCAA coaches seem to feel he can hoop pretty well. A few keyboard warriors disagree. I'll go with ... the opinion of Cal and Matt.

Didn't say I wouldn't go with their opinion. In that vein, I don't think Matt has been overwhelmed with CE choices in a fair number of somewhat impactful situations.
As for him being a baller, and all that often goes with that particular description, I would agree, and that is exactly my concern.
I said that I am happy that he is a Boiler and I am. I think he does contribute tremendously to the team.

 

[Fansince72]

I am going to throw my 2 cents in here. CE is a natural born leader. People want to play ball with him. If I were picking a team, he would be my 1st pick. He is the Billy Keller of this era ,with hops I might add!

 

[mediaexpert]

How about this 7"3,6"10,6"9,6"9"6"6 all the new comers only and I believe that is a lot of size and athleticism to help get it done I'm optimistic we'll be fine in that area.

This year, we have a big team. We have the choice to play Vince at the 4 and put 3 more ball handlers along side and have Isaac grab the board, outlet and we run the other team to death. If no lay up, we have the option of throwing up 3's, before their D is set. If not available, we wait for Isaac to post up where nobody can stop him and when they double he kicks out for the 3.

If JT is healthy, I prefer playing Vince at the 3. He and Carson can still release for some easy baskets, but I would rather take our time and play inside out. It may not be as exciting, but our rebounding can be outstanding.

 

[pig1960]

I was talking about single season usage rates. But if you want to play it your way Michael Jordan had 5 losing seasons to go with his 6 championships. That's not very consistent. I bet the most consistent winners in NBA history had far less usage than Michael and Kobe.

I don't know what to say...Jordan is one of, if not the greatest, ball player ever. He gas 6 championships - 6! And he is not consistent. You got me - I been trolled again.

 

[northside100]

I was talking about single season usage rates. But if you want to play it your way Michael Jordan had 5 losing seasons to go with his 6 championships. That's not very consistent. I bet the most consistent winners in NBA history had far less usage than Michael and Kobe.

BoilerBabyGirl, I'm not sure if your post regarding MJ being 'inconsistent' is ignorant or a purposeful use of data to misrepresent reality, but his winning was anything but inconsistent. The Bulls had losing seasons at the beggining of his career where the cast around him was horrible and MJ was at times inefficient because the team had no other options, I.e. A bad shot from MJ was still a better scoring opportunity than the second best option. Same was true at the end of his career when he was on some horrible Wizards teams. His skills were also incomplete at the beggining and end of his career. Early on he didn't have an efficient mid-range jumper or post up game, so if he wasn't driving to the basket he wasn't terribly efficient (a problem LeBron still suffers from). Late in his career he couldn't get to the basket consistently and relied mostly on jumpers and post ups. In between he was absolutely dominant, both in terms of winning and personal performance.

 

[pig1960]

I am going to throw my 2 cents in here. CE is a natural born leader. People want to play ball with him. If I were picking a team, he would be my 1st pick. He is the Billy Keller of this era ,with hops I might add!

+1 on the Keller reference!

 

[BoilerBabyGirl]

BoilerBabyGirl, I'm not sure if your post regarding MJ being 'inconsistent' is ignorant or a purposeful use of data to misrepresent reality, but his winning was anything but inconsistent. The Bulls had losing seasons at the beggining of his career where the cast around him was horrible and MJ was at times inefficient because the team had no other options, I.e. A bad shot from MJ was still a better scoring opportunity than the second best option. Same was true at the end of his career when he was on some horrible Wizards teams. His skills were also incomplete at the beggining and end of his career. Early on he didn't have an efficient mid-range jumper or post up game, so if he wasn't driving to the basket he wasn't terribly efficient (a problem LeBron still suffers from). Late in his career he couldn't get to the basket consistently and relied mostly on jumpers and post ups. In between he was absolutely dominant, both in terms of winning and personal performance.

Wasn't this in the middle?

 

[BoilerBabyGirl]

Based on past experience I know men aren't happy with 1 example. I found the guys with 11 highest usage in their NBA career. 6 of them never won a championship. See no consistency. Carmelo Anthony has only made it past the 1st round once and he plays in the easiest conference! I bet if you found the guys who won the most consistently they're all low usage guys. Carsen in China isn't good for us. He wins one game and loses the next.

 

[proudopete]

Based on past experience I know men aren't happy with 1 example. I found the guys with 11 highest usage in their NBA career. 6 of them never won a championship. See no consistency. Carmelo Anthony has only made it past the 1st round once and he plays in the easiest conference! I bet if you found the guys who won the most consistently they're all low usage guys. Carsen in China isn't good for us. He wins one game and loses the next.

Comparing NBA with college makes you look...well, not very smart.

 

[northside100]

Wasn't this in the middle?

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Your losing season argument didn't work so you're upping the bar to not winning a championship?

Yes, the loss to Orlando in the playoffs was in the middle. That season MJ returned to the Bulls in March after being out of basketball for a year and a half, I don't think it's too surprising that he wasn't in top form. The next season was the start of his second three-peat.

I actually agree with your point on high usage players and think that we want the Carsen that played in the U19 games last summer, not the Carsen who thinks that he needs to put the team on his back with his scoring. I just think that using MJ is the worst example you could have picked, as he was the rare high usage guy who was good enough to consistently win championship with that approach.

 

[BoilerBabyGirl]

Your losing season argument didn't work so you're upping the bar to not winning a championship?

Yes, the loss to Orlando in the playoffs was in the middle. That season MJ returned to the Bulls in March after being out of basketball for a year and a half, I don't think it's too surprising that he wasn't in top form. The next season was the start of his second three-peat.

I actually agree with your point on high usage players and think that we want the Carsen that played in the U19 games last summer, not the Carsen who thinks that he needs to put the team on his back with his scoring. I just think that using MJ is the worst example you could have picked, as he was the rare high usage guy who was good enough to consistently win championship with that approach.

He didn't win championships consistently. He won them less than half the years he played! I'm sure there are even more excuses for that the ones you've yapped about for the beginning, middle, and end of his career. The only guy who ever won NBA championships consistently was Bill Russell and he was a team player. He won 2 in college too. Most of his championships he beat king ball pig Wilt Chamberlain.

 

[pig1960]

He didn't win championships consistently. He won them less than half the years he played! I'm sure there are even more excuses for that the ones you've yapped about for the beginning, middle, and end of his career. The only guy who ever won NBA championships consistently was Bill Russell and he was a team player. He won 2 in college too. Most of his championships he beat king ball pig Wilt Chamberlain.

Russell was the ultimate ball pig...he wouldn't let anyone else have a rebound. I think a little less angst about CE and a little more angst about our bigs not emulating Bill Russell is in order here. And you did it again - you used one of the greatest players of all time as a negative example...maybe just maybe if Wilt had played for the Celtics he'd be sporting multiple rings. Or maybe Bill Russell was the sole reason for the Celtics winning all those titles...which would indicate he is s ball pig.

 

[Inspector100]

Russell was the ultimate ball pig...he wouldn't let anyone else have a rebound. I think a little less angst about CE and a little more angst about our bigs not emulating Bill Russell is in order here. And you did it again - you used one of the greatest players of all time as a negative example...maybe just maybe if Wilt had played for the Celtics he'd be sporting multiple rings. Or maybe Bill Russell was the sole reason for the Celtics winning all those titles...which would indicate he is s ball pig.

I think Bob Cousy and Tom Heinsohn had a lot to say about those championships as well.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

I think Bob Cousy and Tom Heinsohn had a lot to say about those championships as well.

and John Havlicek for several.

 

[BoilerAndy]

He didn't win championships consistently. He won them less than half the years he played!

This comment made me LOL.

 

[northside100]

Russell was the ultimate ball pig...he wouldn't let anyone else have a rebound. I think a little less angst about CE and a little more angst about our bigs not emulating Bill Russell is in order here. And you did it again - you used one of the greatest players of all time as a negative example...maybe just maybe if Wilt had played for the Celtics he'd be sporting multiple rings. Or maybe Bill Russell was the sole reason for the Celtics winning all those titles...which would indicate he is s ball pig.

 

[northside100]

He didn't win championships consistently. He won them less than half the years he played! I'm sure there are even more excuses for that the ones you've yapped about for the beginning, middle, and end of his career. The only guy who ever won NBA championships consistently was Bill Russell and he was a team player. He won 2 in college too. Most of his championships he beat king ball pig Wilt Chamberlain.

Please keep posting replies, each word is more amusing / laughable than the last.

 

[mediaexpert]

IMO, we have gone off on tangents. The bottom line is that IMO Carson has the quickest hands on D and does a superb job stripping away the ball. He is also a great driver and can create his own shot.

I would like to go with a big lineup (ie Haas and Taylor/Haarms/Ewing) and control the D boards and outlet to Vince and Carson to drive for a quick 2.

However, it is a valid point that if Carson cannot create for an easy bucket he has to set up, so we can convert inside. In the WUG, Haas was killing it down low and we should have let him dominate. My point is that if they were drawing Haas away from the basket AND killing us on the boards, then Taylor should have played WITH Haas. I am confused to why he didn't.

 

[BoilerBabyGirl]

and John Havlicek for several.

So this guy played on "several" of the Bill's 11 championships? Is there any 1 guy that started on all 11? Because if there isn't, a guy with a decent sized brain would realize Bill is the reason they were winning. My experience has been that guys have one tiny brain. I bet Jordan didn't have any all stars or hall of famer players and coaches on his teams that won championships. Sheesh

 

[BoilerAndy]

So this guy played on "several" of the Bill's 11 championships? Is there any 1 guy that started on all 11? Because if there isn't, a guy with a decent sized brain would realize Bill is the reason they were winning. My experience has been that guys have one tiny brain. I bet Jordan didn't have any all stars or hall of famer players and coaches on his teams that won championships. Sheesh

Ha ha. These posts are awesome. I can't tell if you are attempting to troll or if you are testing your comedy routine on us. Either way, it's very funny. Keep them coming.

 

[StickPurdue]

This comment made me LOL.

Well, MJ is no Robert Horry, that's for sure.

 

[delish1]

Russell was the ultimate ball pig...he wouldn't let anyone else have a rebound. I think a little less angst about CE and a little more angst about our bigs not emulating Bill Russell is in order here. And you did it again - you used one of the greatest players of all time as a negative example...maybe just maybe if Wilt had played for the Celtics he'd be sporting multiple rings. Or maybe Bill Russell was the sole reason for the Celtics winning all those titles...which would indicate he is s ball pig.

I kept getting closer and closer with ball pig but thus was the point when I laughed out loud. Classic. I hope it becomes the next 'we'll know more tomorrow"

Also there is a difference between leading the team/controlling the action and being a ball pig. Carsen may not master the former immediately but it would be great for purdue if he can.

 

[pig1960]

I kept getting closer and closer with ball pig but thus was the point when I laughed out loud. Classic. I hope it becomes the next 'we'll know more tomorrow"

Also there is a difference between leading the team/controlling the action and being a ball pig. Carsen may not master the former immediately but it would be great for purdue if he can.

Well you can expect me to use Ball Pig as much as possible. Could be the next Tacos!

 

[boiler62]

Rick Mount was a ball pig!

yep and that helped get us to the final game!

 

[pig1960]

yep and that helped get us to the final game!

Maybe if he wasn't such a ball pig we would have won 3 national championships!

 

[Mclovin-]

So this guy played on "several" of the Bill's 11 championships? Is there any 1 guy that started on all 11? Because if there isn't, a guy with a decent sized brain would realize Bill is the reason they were winning. My experience has been that guys have one tiny brain. I bet Jordan didn't have any all stars or hall of famer players and coaches on his teams that won championships. Sheesh

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