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Biden will make the stock market tank and 401ks will plummet

You should change the tense of the post title to past tense. He's already done it.

Trump was right about a lot of things... most things.
 
Not that I give any credit to any politician for the stock market (up or down), but isn’t the S&P up since he’s been in office by like 15% and like 30% since before the COVID crash (Feb 2020)?
 
Not that I give any credit to any politician for the stock market (up or down), but isn’t the S&P up since he’s been in office by like 15% and like 30% since before the COVID crash (Feb 2020)?
LOL. Typical Democrat, when in doubt spin!! Let’s give credit to Biden for the last 10 months of Trumps Presidency (maybe everyone will forget).

🤡 assessing the 🤡 President’s over sight of the economy.

Biden’s on a roll, up roughly 10% in 18 months🙌. Trump did that his first year.

How about you subtract out the cost of inflation from Biden’s 10% gain….oh, then that’s still negative…😢

if only Biden could go back to Dec 31, 2021. Oops, the free candy rush wore off and inflation stops market gains and erodes buying power…but let’s keep printing money with the Inflation Reduction Act (that doesn’t really reduce inflation!)


Index
Annualized Performance
Donald TrumpBarack ObamaDifference
NASDAQ24.13%17.44%Trump +6.69%
DOW11.75%11.46%Trump +0.29%
S&P13.71%13.01%Trump +0.70%

 
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LOL. Typical Democrat, when in doubt spin!! Let’s give credit to Biden for the last 10 months of Trumps Presidency (maybe everyone will forget).

🤡 assessing the 🤡 President’s over sight of the economy.

Biden’s on a roll, up roughly 10% in 18 months🙌. Trump did that his first year.

How about you subtract out the cost of inflation from Biden’s 10% gain….oh, then that’s still negative…😢

if only Biden could go back to Dec 31, 2021. Oops, the free candy rush wore off and inflation stops market gains and erodes buying power…but let’s keep printing money with the Inflation Reduction Act (that doesn’t really reduce inflation!)


Index
Annualized Performance
Donald TrumpBarack ObamaDifference
NASDAQ24.13%17.44%Trump +6.69%
DOW11.75%11.46%Trump +0.29%
S&P13.71%13.01%Trump +0.70%

There is nothing political with what I said. It is the numbers. The number I quoted was the peak of the S&P prior to COVID. If pension funds are freaked out about 6 months of market dynamics they have bigger problems.
 
There is nothing political with what I said. It is the numbers. The number I quoted was the peak of the S&P prior to COVID. If pension funds are freaked out about 6 months of market dynamics they have bigger problems.
RE your post
…but isn’t the S&P up since he’s been in office by like 15% and like 30% since before the COVID crash (Feb 2020)?

I guess took the post above as trying to communicate that Biden was doing a good job. 🤷‍♂️
 
RE your post
…but isn’t the S&P up since he’s been in office by like 15% and like 30% since before the COVID crash (Feb 2020)?

I guess took the post above as trying to communicate that Biden was doing a good job. 🤷‍♂️
No. I was more puzzled how a large media source created a freak out piece on a six month time window on a market that has been killing it for 10 years. Side note, I didn’t blame Trump for the economy shutting down as well as give him credit when he touted the largest one day stock market increase after it fell off.

You know how I post on economic stuff and have been consistent that presidents have little effect and most just happen to be in the right place at the right time. This happened to the older Bush and on the flip side Bill Clinton.

As Biden had little to do with the crazy increase at the beginning of his term, he also isn’t to blame for the expected correction that happens in all markets.
 
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You can cherry pick highs and lows from pretty much every president’s term. Trump’s mid term peak (DJIA) was about 27k in September 2018 and then dipped to about 22k in December 2018. Market recovered back to the 27k number in April 2019 and kept growing until COVID hit.

Biden peaked at a little over 36k in November 2021 bounced around and dropped to low of 29k in June 2022. Has since recovered a fair amount to 33.6 as of today.

I have my doubts about how the IRA thing will work out, but have more confidence in the overall US economy growing (regardless of which party is in power) over the long term.
 

Don’t under estimate Joes ability to F things up…

Trump was right


Dem inflationary policies have forced the Fed to put a hurt on my retirement account this past year. Good thing for diversity & I still have time to build my cash positions up a bit before I need it later in retirement.
 

Don’t under estimate Joes ability to F things up…

Trump was right

Oh my stars and garters, is it too late for me to sell, sell, sell my 403b and take a chance at the casino? It appears the cat is already out of the bag. I do miss the glory days of the financial markets moving upward in a straight line.
 
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Don’t under estimate Joes ability to F things up…

Trump was right

S & P up 12% since June 30 which was the year end for the pension plans noted. The stock market is up over 12% since Biden took office Not incredibly great for 18 months but not bad. Kind of changes the narrative. but have at it.
 
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LOL. Typical Democrat, when in doubt spin!! Let’s give credit to Biden for the last 10 months of Trumps Presidency (maybe everyone will forget).

🤡 assessing the 🤡 President’s over sight of the economy.

Biden’s on a roll, up roughly 10% in 18 months🙌. Trump did that his first year.

How about you subtract out the cost of inflation from Biden’s 10% gain….oh, then that’s still negative…😢

if only Biden could go back to Dec 31, 2021. Oops, the free candy rush wore off and inflation stops market gains and erodes buying power…but let’s keep printing money with the Inflation Reduction Act (that doesn’t really reduce inflation!)


Index
Annualized Performance
Donald TrumpBarack ObamaDifference
NASDAQ24.13%17.44%Trump +6.69%
DOW11.75%11.46%Trump +0.29%
S&P13.71%13.01%Trump +0.70%

Did you read the article you linked? It literally said Obama beat Trump by every measure (GDP, Jobs, Cumulative stock market performance) with the exception of the one you copied and pasted and even then the difference between the S&P and Dow are negligible.
 
S & P up 12% since June 30 which was the year end for the pension plans noted. The stock market is up over 12% since Biden took office Not incredibly great for 18 months but not bad. Kind of changes the narrative. but have at it.
12% market return WOULD BE GOOD if inflation was 1-2%. But when inflation is 12% over the last 18 months since Biden took office, there’s ZERO wealth built for the last 18 months.

That changes your narrative a bit.
 
Did you read the article you linked? It literally said Obama beat Trump by every measure (GDP, Jobs, Cumulative stock market performance) with the exception of the one you copied and pasted and even then the difference between the S&P and Dow are negligible.
I copied an paste “annualized returns” versus total returns (Obama 8 yrs, Trump 4 yrs).

And I didn’t poo poo Obama’s performance. I thought Obama did a remarkable job on the economy. My only beef with Obama was that he could have lowered corporate taxes (and offset with higher individual taxes) to prevent corporate inversions, which were increasing 2014-16 due to companies moving to Ireland seeking a lower tax rate and avoid higher US corporate taxes (when compared to Ireland)
 
Did you read the article you linked? It literally said Obama beat Trump by every measure (GDP, Jobs, Cumulative stock market performance) with the exception of the one you copied and pasted and even then the difference between the S&P and Dow are negligible.

Can't believe the article is trying to compare a President that had a major pandemic to one that did not.
Moreover, Pres O had a freindly Fed to booster his market....maybe the friendliest ever?? Someone else can check that.....

The market can be good to great under either party, but the Fed can be a huge factor, as we see now under Biden.
 
12% market return WOULD BE GOOD if inflation was 1-2%. But when inflation is 12% over the last 18 months since Biden took office, there’s ZERO wealth built for the last 18 months.

That changes your narrative a bit.
Changing the bar a little bit. The original quote was your 401(k) would go to hell and something about the greatest depression you've ever seen.

Sorry but a positive return after inflation isn't the same as your 401k plan going to hell and we're still waiting for the greatest depression we've ever seen.
 
Can't believe the article is trying to compare a President that had a major pandemic to one that did not.
Moreover, Pres O had a freindly Fed to booster his market....maybe the friendliest ever?? Someone else can check that.....

The market can be good to great under either party, but the Fed can be a huge factor, as we see now under Biden.
I don't put much stock in articles like that because there are so many variables outside of the control of the President. Obama took over when we were bleeding jobs in 2009, Trump was president during the beginning of the pandemic, both significantly impacted their jobs numbers.
 
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Changing the bar a little bit. The original quote was your 401(k) would go to hell and something about the greatest depression you've ever seen.

Sorry but a positive return after inflation isn't the same as your 401k plan going to hell and we're still waiting for the greatest depression we've ever seen.
A net wealth increase of 0% for 18 months is “awesome”…yippee!

Lower that bar if you must.
 
A net wealth increase of 0% for 18 months is “awesome”…yippee!

Lower that bar if you must.
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Biden will make the stock market tank and 401ks will plummet​

It hasn't tanked. Its gone up and down but I point out with facts and figures that it's beating inflation (albeit barley) and you then say well yeah but being flat isn't very good.

In the same video Trump says we'll have the worst depression we've ever seen. Does Trump understand the United States has only had 3 or 4 depressions in its history? The last one ended 82 years ago and I haven't heard any economist predict we're on the path to another one soon.

But yeah, the great prognosticator was right and somehow I've lowered the bar.

Geez.
 
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