Benji Bell
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He chose the local school. Purdue was recruiting him and it appeared to me that he was a realistic possibility for Purdue, but I am guessing that Painter was still holding the scholarship for Swanigan.
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I hope that's not what happened. Bell was a far more realistic prospect and potentially could have given the '15-'16 team an impact player at the 1. The prospect of Thompson/Scott/Weatherford as the PG trio is a bit unsettling to me. There's just nothing to indicate that any of them can play consistently well or make significant contributions against major opponents.
This post was edited on 3/30 12:30 AM by nagemj02
I don't get this. You haven't seen Weatherford and you haven't seen Bell in Purdue uniforms, yet you have concluded that the one who didn't choose Purdue would have been a significant contributor while the one who did should be a walk-on. You've repeatedly made similar statements about Weatherford since his commitment. Did he TP your trees or soap your windows or something?
There is a scholarship for Swanigan. Purdue loses two in Octeus and Toyra but also awarded a scholarship to one of the walkons this year, at least that is what has been explained to me. That would seem to give Purdue the chance to award three scholarships next season and if need be, have a smaller class the following year. Even if one isn't available according to the pundits here, I am sure I would rather trust Coach Painter and his staff's ability to understand scholarship limits and numbers rather than some of the idiots here. Coach Painter and the entire staff wouldn't have been at the game Saturday if there wasn't a scholarship available.
There definitely is a scholarship available for Swanigan. That's not what this thread is about.
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Nage - it appears to me that you are just looking for things to complain about.
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We have some trolls on this board, but Nagem is not one of them. He's probably one of the most level headed pro Purdue guys here. I don't get the hate towards him at all.
I think his position is quite simple to understand. We currently have unknowns at the PG position for next year. Bell, as a more proven and mature option compared to what we are returning, mitigates that concern.
We have 3 schollies next year and 2 are taken (Cline, Weatherford). We are unlikely to get Swanigan, so make a push for a contributor who more likely would be a Boiler next year (assuming we are holding that scholly open just for CS).
I don't think Nagem is complaining or "hating" at all. Just stating his preference.
I think his position is quite simple to understand. We currently have unknowns at the PG position for next year. Bell, as a more proven and mature option compared to what we are returning, mitigates that concern.
We have 3 schollies next year and 2 are taken (Cline, Weatherford). We are unlikely to get Swanigan, so make a push for a contributor who more likely would be a Boiler next year (assuming we are holding that scholly open just for CS).
I don't think Nagem is complaining or "hating" at all. Just stating his preference.
I am definitely frustrated with the PG situation and the coaching staff's decision-making and abilities when it comes to recruiting, among other things. The 2014 class appears to be a good one overall and Davis and Hammons have done well to show that they were good gets in the 2012 class. However, the 2013 class has been a little disappointing so far, the 2011 class was a complete disaster, and the 2009 and 2010 classes ended up being average (D.J. Byrd and Terone Johnson being the two main contributors from those classes; Kelsey Barlow before he was dismissed). Cline looks to be a solid get for 2015, but you already how confident I feel about decision to go after/get Weatherford and so far no one is committed for next year's class.
This post was edited on 3/30 2:00 PM by nagemj02
Where did you get the idea that Purdue and Painter were recruiting this kid? None of the recruiting sites lists Purdue as someone who was pursuing him. Not knocking you just wondering since I don't think Brian has ever mentioned him.
Why would a rational person believe that an untested JUCO would have saved the program? And why would a rational Purdue fan repeatedly crap on a signed recruit every time his name is mentioned, even to the point of suggesting the recruit give up his scholarship? Unless he's had some negative experience with the recruit, that's not my idea of rational.
Wow....Did I say anything about a JUCO? NO I did not. Did I crap on any recruit? NO I did not. And who said anything about a recruit giving up a schollie? Sounds like you are jumping to conclusions that are not specifically written there.
JUCO Recruiting reported that he was hearing from Purdue. Many other sources did as well, but I think that most of them were just repeating JUCO Recruiting's list.
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I know that Nage isn't a troll, but given how little we know about the situation, I don't get the criticism.
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1. He's not untested. He started at PG for the best JC team this season (and last season). He's better than Scott, Thompson, and Weatherford. If you don't believe me, follow his play at Florida State this coming season.
2. No one said that he would "save the program". He would have helped, but you are exaggerating the opinion some of us have to fit your own argument. This is yet another example of you putting words into people's mouths.
3. How am I crapping on a recruit by having doubts about his abilities and the decision of the coaching staff to offer him? Am I not allowed to be skeptical and share my opinion on it?
This post was edited on 3/30 3:53 PM by nagemj02
I think that Weatherford has a real chance to surprise. Last year I kept saying that Edwards and Mathias were perfect fits for Purdue and I think that the same may be true of Weatherford and Cline this year.
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Weatherford
Weatherford could be the next "Mike Kelly" of Wisconsin who was all D in the B1G and one tough hard nosed SOB who took his team to the FF, but like Weatherford wasn't much offensively and averaged around 4-5 ppg his entire career. But just controlled most games with his D.
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This post was edited on 3/31 10:13 AM by Boiler Buck
Weatherford could be the next "Mike Kelly" of Wisconsin who was all D in the B1G and one tough hard nosed SOB who took his team to the FF, but like Weatherford wasn't much offensively and averaged around 4-5 ppg his entire career. But just controlled most games with his D.
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This post was edited on 3/31 10:13 AM by Boiler Buck
I think Grant will be a solid freshman but he reads these boards and people like Nage need to stop saying he is bad. How can you judge him he hasn't played a game. Painter didn't even think Kramer would be good look how that worked out and I expect the same from Grant they are both warriors.
We most likely land a good 5th player again. Octeus starting all year for us is going to help tremendously with that. Along with Sporty Carters success and Peck too
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I agree that we as fans shouldn't demean any incoming player. At the same time, I don't think we should expect Grant to be the next Kramer. Or BoilerBuck - who thinks he'll be the next Mike Kelly. Not fair to Grant IMO.
Grant will be the next Grant. Hopefully that's going to really help our team take the next step in our progression.
I think PG (of any position) is probably the most difficult for a freshman to step into and adjust to the college game. Even if we had a highly touted recruit at PG coming in, there will be growing pains.
Even LewJack stuggled coming in as a frosh ... and he's probably one of the best PGs to come through Purdue. Octeus' play early on wasn't nearly as good as it was by mid-season.
Hopefully we'll get another 5th year senior to stabilize the position while PJ and Grant can make a smoother transition into the role.
This post was edited on 3/31 3:32 PM by klmLB
lol everyone roasted lewjack his freshman year too even though he was awesome for a 5 9 freshman. oh also, he played dribble drive. Difference was the guys he was kicking to could actually hit the shot.
Weatherford might be the most athletic/quickest guard we will have next year. Right now that is what Purdue is going to really be lacking next year and has been lacking lately, quickness and athleticism. It won't surprise me if he earns PT.
We need guards who can attack and make plays in crunch time for themselves and others. Lewjack and Kramer could beat people off the dribble with their athleticism and Moore/Hummel could create for themselves with their size/skill.
Right now, who do we go to with the game on the line, down 3 in a tournament game? Who can make things happen to either get their own shot off or create for somebody else?
I think that is what this team has been missing for the past few years. Even Octeus wasn't really that guy...or wasn't allowed to be that guy.
I think if we can find that Alpha guard and we surround him with Stephens/Mathias/Cline/Edwards and even Ray, it really amplifies the best parts of everybody else's best skills.
We need guards who can attack and make plays in crunch time for themselves and others. Lewjack and Kramer could beat people off the dribble with their athleticism and Moore/Hummel could create for themselves with their size/skill.
Right now, who do we go to with the game on the line, down 3 in a tournament game? Who can make things happen to either get their own shot off or create for somebody else?
I think that is what this team has been missing for the past few years. Even Octeus wasn't really that guy...or wasn't allowed to be that guy.
I think if we can find that Alpha guard and we surround him with Stephens/Mathias/Cline/Edwards and even Ray, it really amplifies the best parts of everybody else's best skills.
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