Barkley said it best
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He had 6 months of coaching his team to learn how to break the press. If they haven't figured it out by now, then he's not a good coach. I don t know his personal, but I would probably put 2 pg. on the floor together. There are many things. you have to try something.
Boiler 35's comment about being "Insanely talented" made me laugh. Thanks 35. I needed a pick me up after watching these Elite 8 games and watching just how good these teams are. Maybe you should try watching some other team than Purdue. It might give you a better measuring stick to use when judging "insane talent".
We have 3. Your fooling yourself if you don't think Haas and Swanigan aren't going to make it.
Their offense was very, very good this season. Their defense is pack line, which technically is man to man, but heavily features zone principles and doesn't look anything like a traditional man to man. UVa is not supremely talented like UNC or Kansas. They have terrific guards, but they are mostly a team that is very well coached and gets the most out of its talent. Considering where the UVa program was when Bennett took over (not to mention WSU), Bennett is one of the most impressive coaches in the country, IMO.
I think if you re-read my post you will see that the very first thing I said was "time will tell". There is no way you can be sure of anything other than what is reality right now. That reality is that AJ is late 1st/2nd round and Isaac and CS aren't listed anywhere.
Do I hope that changes in the year/years to come for them, absolutely. But to say that we have 3 NBA players on this team is simply incorrect.
And I absolutely stand by my position on PJ (wouldn't start for more than 2 teams in the conference).
You really know very little about the game lol.
Breaking on press on paper or a dry board is easy. Kinda different in a NCAA tournament game, or any game for that matter. You see, the other team is actually trying to take the ball away.
So lets see......who are all the bad coaches in the tournament that haven't figured out how to break a press?
Bennett
Jacobson
Painter
Gard
Who am I missing?
Wait a minute... I thought the press should never work? Isn't that one of the pronouncements we read on these boards? Syracuse used it quite often, so you would think Bennett would have prepared his team for it, right?
The problem is that no matter what adjustments you make, no matter how much you practice against a play, the real time execution of your players does not always equal and off-set the actions of the other team. We have seen it every year in this game of basketball. I just don't understand why some folks can't grasp the basics of this game. Bennett tried making adjustments and he called 2 TO's during the Syracuse run. None of made a difference in the end.
I am afraid that Syracuse's style and skill at pressing would have gotten to us as well. We don't have the players to match up well against them. Our front line would never had the chance to dominate theirs because the ball would have stopped midcourt. Ugh! We have some work to do.
The problem is that no matter what adjustments you make, no matter how much you practice against a play, the real time execution of your players does not always equal and off-set the actions of the other team. We have seen it every year in this game of basketball. I just don't understand why some folks can't grasp the basics of this game. Bennett tried making adjustments and he called 2 TO's during the Syracuse run. None of made a difference in the end.
I am afraid that Syracuse's style and skill at pressing would have gotten to us as well. We don't have the players to match up well against them. Our front line would never had the chance to dominate theirs because the ball would have stopped midcourt. Ugh! We have some work to do.
Sorry Boy, you're wrong. All you have to do is explain to the team what kind of press the other team is gonna run. During the game, the defense will do exactly what you expect them to do. You just pass from A to B to C and get and easy layup. What's the problem?Wait a minute... I thought the press should never work? Isn't that one of the pronouncements we read on these boards? Syracuse used it quite often, so you would think Bennett would have prepared his team for it, right?
The problem is that no matter what adjustments you make, no matter how much you practice against a play, the real time execution of your players does not always equal and off-set the actions of the other team. We have seen it every year in this game of basketball. I just don't understand why some folks can't grasp the basics of this game. Bennett tried making adjustments and he called 2 TO's during the Syracuse run. None of made a difference in the end.
I am afraid that Syracuse's style and skill at pressing would have gotten to us as well. We don't have the players to match up well against them. Our front line would never had the chance to dominate theirs because the ball would have stopped midcourt. Ugh! We have some work to do.
Put me down as "Shocked!" Shocked!" that it was just that easy. It should have been obvious to me that it was so darned easy to break that press.
his adjustment is what cost him the lead. he slowed it down and let the other team catch up
another comment that stuck with me was about being jacked up on adrenaline, some players don't play as well or play differently when high on adrenaline. seem to play tighter but little lay ups come up short or miss easy plays that would be routine early in the game.
The second you start using Barkley as a source is the second you lose pretty much all credibility. Not that many though you and the others like you actually knew what you were talking about to begin with, but citing Barkley only cements that notion.
Your right, that was bad coaching by all. I coached AAU ball for years. AAU ball is all tournament setting. The first thing you teach is breaking the press. Tournaments are 1 and done. Teams behind are disparate and are going to give you their best press and if you don't know how to break it, your going home. I saw so many fundamental mistakes by teams in bounding in to corners, stopping past 1/2 court, not running the baseline to get angles.... Those coaches all did a horrible job and are sitting home next week because of it.
And not one person here believes that. Your comments and your knowledge of basketball pretty much prove you've never done anything other than watch it on TV.
YBoiler 35's comment about being "Insanely talented" made me laugh. Thanks 35. I needed a pick me up after watching these Elite 8 games and watching just how good these teams are. Maybe you should try watching some other team than Purdue. It might give you a better measuring stick to use when judging "insane talent".
All I said is we had more talent than Cause does now. We have AJH who is projected a first rounder. Rapheal Davis DPOY. Vince Edwards all around good player. CS all freshmen rebounding machine. Isaac Haas was one of the most efffient backup players in the country. Dakota Mathias is a guy who could get minutes at almost any school in the country. If you didn't see outstanding talent on this roster you are blind. This team competed with nearly every team they played. The last five or ten minutes is usually what lost it for them. Which came down to coaching
one small clarification that I'm not sure gets noted. Syr pressed and Virginia "CHOSE" to attack the press...agreeing to speeding up the game. Virginia could have chosen not to do that, but thought that attacking it would work out for them..and it didn't. It is best if you can successfully attack a press, but not best if you cannot. All judgement calls depending on your team and who you are playing as well as that particular game. Still it took a player go off for the Cuse getting close to 30 the second half like Hagens from UALR did to beat Virginia.
Sometimes you get the bear and sometimes it gets you...
alot has to do w/ player's execution, Bronson Koenig had no problem sinking a 22 footer as time expired , then in the next game, can't finish a layup and can't keep the ball close to himself when dribbling in crunch time.
Pg play was a weakness all year, but not to the point that we shouldn't be able to beat LR. We did make their coach a rich man, he took the UNLV job this morning.
I noticed that also.
Our point guard play or lack thereof, is the biggest weakness of this team and will be next year also if CE can't help out. PJ is a very good backup at this level. He is not a difference maker. That isn't saying he is a bad guy or bad for the team. What I am saying is that if PJ is our starting point guard next year and gets significant minutes we will have some of the same concerns/problems that we had this year. Take the 13 other teams in the conference and tell me which ones he would have started on this year?? His assist/turnover rate is what a lot of people get hung up on. That stat was good for him because he doesn't do anything to create. He passes the ball around the perimeter and shoots 3's. This team needs a point guard that can create and causes defenses to account for him at all times.
Regardless of this teams weakness, it all solely falls on the shoulder of one person, who is responsible for our roster makeup.
Barkley never won a championship. Ever. He is an entertaining commentator, but I doubt that any programs are hiring him as a consultant to improve their chances of winning.
So if a press works, anywhere, anytime, the coach sucks. You said last week that a press should never work past the first time (one of my favorites BTW). He either doesn't know what to teach......like you do, or he doesn't know how to teach it.......like you do. The other variable is player execution which, inferring from all your statements, is a constant and easily done. There should be no errors, no lapses of judgement.......just execute what's drawn up. If a turnover is made then it has to be because the coach didn't teach it right, not because of anything the player(s) did on the court.
Thanks for setting me straight.
He did when he had the athletes to do it, but if you go back to that undefeated 76 team (the one with a center more like ours - Kent Benson) you will find they won the national championship playing ZONE, with Bobby Wilkerson at the top of the key disrupting the passing lanes, blocking shots and getting a lot of easy points on fast breaks !
Something we could have easily done this year and still could next year with Vince and Basil. Wilkerson was 6'7 and long - hint hint !
The beauty of it was it was not only disruptive, but generated steals as smaller guards had to lob the ball around that length - something we could sorely use ! !
I used to like Chuck a lot more (and be entertained), but to me, his act is wearing thin.....plus I don't see as much of the appeal anymore of having strictly NBA guys doing tournament analysis.....yes.....it's still basketball, but there are plenty of differences in the college game, and frankly, I don't think Chuck does his homework as much as Kenny Smith.
I'll probably get some resistance on this, but if you could throw in the East Coast translator or up the volume, I wouldn't mind seeing Calhoun a little for some insights....that's also having to get past some of the stuff that went on with his program.....but the guy can coach and knows his sport.
Keep Clark Kellogg on there....though I would rather have him doing games.....JMO, and I don't have anything personal against Jim Nantz, Grant Hill, or Bill Raftery, but I just don't think that team works for me.....can't put my finger on exactly why. Of course, I'm sure Nantz is working on his ultimate crescendo statement for the championship somehow.....
It's Sooner rather than later for Oklahoma and Lon Kruger!
And Carolina is on our mind.....as they take the Title!
They'll be painting the town Orange in Syracuse!
Wildcats go SuperNova....and win it all!
Then.....it's on to the magnolias, the pines, and the dogwoods in Augusta, Georgia.
In the end, good coaches OPTIMIZE their team's chances of success and utilize all of the talent they have. We had depth, a shorter clock and a rim protector this year and should have used it to press teams. It would have also provided our guards with DAILY practices requiring them to break presses - I find it ironic.
It's also interesting to note that the teams doing well in the tournament have a lot of tools in the tool kit
It's time for us to change our style of play ! I hope we use Jacquil Taylor's and Carson Edward's 3 point shooting to pull bigs away from the rim and score more in transition, Vince's athletic talent to drive and go back door on teams, Vince's/Basil's quickness at the top of the key and at the top of a press to make more steals and yes, . . a zone to prevent the easy stuff.
It's finally time to tell our bigs to get the rebound out to Carson and PJ quickly and let's RUN ! (PUT VINCE & BASIL AT THE TOP OF THE KEY !) PLEASE ! (Think 1976 !)
It's also interesting to note that the teams doing well in the tournament have a lot of tools in the tool kit
It's time for us to change our style of play ! I hope we use Jacquil Taylor's and Carson Edward's 3 point shooting to pull bigs away from the rim and score more in transition, Vince's athletic talent to drive and go back door on teams, Vince's/Basil's quickness at the top of the key and at the top of a press to make more steals and yes, . . a zone to prevent the easy stuff.
It's finally time to tell our bigs to get the rebound out to Carson and PJ quickly and let's RUN ! (PUT VINCE & BASIL AT THE TOP OF THE KEY !) PLEASE ! (Think 1976 !)
That lack of foot speed on offense is the same on defense. Purdue couldn't belly up as the did in the past due to rule change and foot speed to a degree. Breaking the press against Purdue might be easier than imagined. Hill was quick enough, PJ too short, the others not too fast, but AJ would be a rim protector and probably get a lot of chances to do that assuming he never got in foul trouble too quickly. Haas might not provide a lot of speed either...
Part of Purdue's difficulty in handling let alone attacking the press was that Purdue never had the athletic people to put up a good press. THAT situation "may improve" next year with Basil, Taylor and Edwards,but not sure this group is situated for that style either. Purdue was mostly recruited before the rule changes and those changes hurt what Matt had assembled...
