B1G Basketball Thread
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This is rather circular reasoning. To date, IU has played two true road games (Duke and Arkansas.) They lost both. So looking at the rankings Arkansas is the poorer of the two. But to claim that ARK is the worst loss gives a false impression due to the fact that there were so few road games.
Purdue's losses on the road or neutral site are again FSU, Texas, VaTech, Michigan and ND. 3 are Top10 and 4 are Top 13. ND came at the end of the sequence of tough games and is perhaps excusable.
Do you really believe that the comparisons that you made are reliable? I do not.
Only if you take KenPom as gospel and the end be all (the NCAAT committee does not), does Purdue have a better resume. IU to date has no bad losses and has a better collection of wins and that really isn't debatable. If the tournament started today IU would likely be a seed line or two higher than Purdue. But the tournament starts in March and the real season for both teams more or less starts tonight. 2 months worth of games to prove who is the better squad with plenty of opportunities to add to their resumes. Purdue gets a quality opponent tonight and a win against Iowa would further bolster their resume.
Josh Langford is having the best year of his career. You admitted yourself. Take out that one 3 point injured game, and he’s averaging 16 points and shooting the best from the field that he ever had. It hurts MSU he is out.
He has the worst offensive rating(106.5)of his career this year and hes never had a good offensive rating in either of his 3 seasons. He had a couple good games early in the season and has since been the guy hes always been(well below average in efficiency).
It was a huge boost to MSU on both sides of the ball that Ahrens/Henry played all of those minutes last night. Like I said, it was no coincidence last night was the best theyve looked all year.
Tonight is such a loaded slate in the conference
Purdue vs Iowa
Michigan vs Penn St
Indiana vs Illinois
Wisconsin vs Minnesota
Indiana vs Illinois is the only game that doesnt feature a top 25 KenPom team.
Purdue vs Iowa
Michigan vs Penn St
Indiana vs Illinois
Wisconsin vs Minnesota
Indiana vs Illinois is the only game that doesnt feature a top 25 KenPom team.
Blatant confirmation of you not actually believing the nonsense you spew. Finally.
Strange how you reference IU's ROAD games, and then shift the bar to ROAD AND NEUTRAL when discussing PU. IU's ROAD and NEUTRAL games are (in addition to 0-2) at AR and DUKE, wins @ PSU and vs Butler on Neutral. IU played 4 Road AND NEUTRAL games,and PU played 5. IU is 2-2,while PU is 0-5
As far as quality of competition, Duke and UM cancel each other out,as do AR and TX. Since PSU beat the same Va Tech team PU lost to,I'd say they cancel each other out as well.ND and Butler are a wash,so congratulations PU's loss to FSU sets them apart? Having 1 more ROAD AND NEUTRAL game might be something to crow about,if you even had a SINGLE Road or NEUTRAL win. You're 0-5...
And congratulations for piggybacking your "analysis" on the back of the poster formerly known as Matt18Jones. One of the more rational PU posters on the National Board outed Mckcbb for that infamous distinction tonight,and suddenly all the goofy takes make perfect sense.
Mck's claims that UI is better than MSU,Romeo is not one of the best B1G freshmen,and the claim that Nojel is a Top 10 player in the B1G- THOSE are takes that epitomize the lunacy that is Matt18Jones. He's a "legend" on multiple CBB boards...
Not even going to dignify your troll attempts with a serious response anymore. Youre so insufferable its not even fun to make you look stupid anymore. Just going to permanently assing you this meme considering this must be some sort of performance art.
This is a runner up in the least "self-aware" category to the previous post...
Purdue and indiana best wins by KenPom
1. Maryland 29th
2. Marquette 35th
Advantage Purdue
Purdue and indiana best wins by T-Rank
1. Maryland 28th
2. Louisville 35th
Advantage Purdue
Purdue and indiana individual rank by KenPom
1. Purdue 15th
2. Indiana 28th
Purdue and indiana individual rank by T Rank.
1. Purdue 17th
2. Indiana 34th
Advantage Purdue
Like please stop this already. Its not even a debate. Its clear who the superior team has been with the superior resume win. Every single thing you can point to says Purdue.
1. Maryland 29th
2. Marquette 35th
Advantage Purdue
Purdue and indiana best wins by T-Rank
1. Maryland 28th
2. Louisville 35th
Advantage Purdue
Purdue and indiana individual rank by KenPom
1. Purdue 15th
2. Indiana 28th
Purdue and indiana individual rank by T Rank.
1. Purdue 17th
2. Indiana 34th
Advantage Purdue
Like please stop this already. Its not even a debate. Its clear who the superior team has been with the superior resume win. Every single thing you can point to says Purdue.
According to NCAA NET
IU:
Quadrant 1 wins: 3
Quadrant 2 wins: 2
Purdue
Quadrant 1 wins: 0
Quadrant 2 wins: 4
You're going to lose this argument 10/10 times. KenPom is NOT a seeding or resume measurement, it's purely predictive. You get in the tournament and subsequently your seeding is determined by your resume, you know actual results. Moral victories and close losses to good teams are still losses in the eyes of the committee.
KenPom in his ratings explained page even admits his system is purely predictive.
https://kenpom.com/blog/ratings-explanation/
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Not sure where you are pulling your road neutral information from but Purdue has played 7 road/neutral games not 5.
I do not understand why IU fans come on this board and constantly try to stir things up. You always accuse Purdue of having little brother syndrome but there are not nearly as many Purdue fans on your boards begging for constant attention.
This is what I know to date. IU has won several close games and Purdue has lost several close games. Purdue's strength of schedule is much much better than IU's but they have squandered several really good opportunities and havent shown they can win on the road. IU has managed to not shoot them selves in the foot. I can't tell you which team is going to end the season better but both fan bases are kidding themselves if they dont think there are issues with both rosters.
Iu's best game was Marquette.
Purdue's best game was Iowa.
Pretty sure both teams will know what they are made of after the next couple weeks.
Wait...mgk is formerly Matt18Jones? OMG it makes much more sense. Dude hasn't been right about anything in his life. What other handles has he used?
So far in conference:
IU 3-0 with victories over PSU (road game), NW and Illinois. They have a combined league record of 0-9.
Purdue 2-1 with victories over Maryland and Iowa and a loss (road game) at Michigan. They have a combined league record of 5-4.
Is anyone supposed to think these to-date schedules are comparable?
IU 3-0 with victories over PSU (road game), NW and Illinois. They have a combined league record of 0-9.
Purdue 2-1 with victories over Maryland and Iowa and a loss (road game) at Michigan. They have a combined league record of 5-4.
Is anyone supposed to think these to-date schedules are comparable?
Has anyone literally argued SOS? We're talking about resumes and seeding based off of resumes. To date IU has a significantly stronger resume than Purdue because IU has beaten more quality teams. It doesn't mean Purdue isn't a good team, but if the tournament started today IU would be seeded 2-3 lines higher than Purdue. Moral victories and close losses to good teams (which Purdue has plenty) don't go on the resume. It's about wins and avoiding bad losses. Both IU and Purdue have avoided any catastrophic losses, but IU has better and more quadrant wins per the NCAA's NET rankings.
You continue missing the mark. Nobody uses NET now because it changes daily and isnt reflective of what the final results will be.
Using NET right now is either a sign of ignorance or wanting of the highest order. Possibly both. All of the experts and numbers guys have come out and said to essentially ignore NET until February at the earliest.
Ohio State was 1st overall when NET released its first results a month or so ago. Theyre now 18th.
This fluidity tells us that using these would change a resume dramatically from week to week.
To use them now, again, is a sign of ignorance or a sign of someone who is disengenuously trying to paint their teams lackluster results in a better light, which explains why a dumb indiana fan like you keeps desperately trying to use them less than 24 hours after arguing against them (lol).
I'm literally telling you that analytic ratings such as Bart Torvik and KenPom are purely predictive rating systems and don't factor into seeding. Xavier, 1 seed last year was rated 17th in KenPom's end of regular season rankings. They were a one seed because they by far and away had the most quadrant 1 and 2 wins. Butler was a top 20 KenPom to end the year last year because they played a lot of quadrant 1 and 2 teams close but lost the large majority of them and ended up as a 10 seed. St. Mary's, a team I follow heavily since moving out here, was a top 30 KenPom team who didn't make the tournament because they lacked good quadrant 1 and 2 wins even though analytically they were a great team.
You're either ignorant or oblivious to how the NCAA selection committee values and seeds teams. Advanced stats ain't it brother. It's about who you beat and who you avoid losing too. Keep up.
Congratulations on being wrong. Next time, try to actually know what you spend hours arguing about.
Here is the NCAA's official website that outlines what the committee uses for the selection process.
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/mens-basketball-selections-101-selections
On their site, plain as day,
Other criteria the committee considers in the selections process are:
- An extensive season-long evaluation of teams through watching games, conference monitoring calls and regional advisory committee rankings;
- Complete box scores and results;
- Head-to-head results and results versus common opponents;
- Imbalanced conference schedules and results;
- Overall and non-conference strength of schedule;
- The quality of wins and losses;
- Road record;
- Player and coach availability; and
- Various computer metrics.
It's one criteria dumbass. To try and say Purdue presently has a better resume than IU right now because of 1/9 criteria's used is laughable.
When you go from THIS:
To THIS:
In less than 20 minutes, probably time to hang it up, kid. Maybe take a few laps and hit the bricks
To THIS:
In less than 20 minutes, probably time to hang it up, kid. Maybe take a few laps and hit the bricks
I’m not saying you are right or wrong. I just find it interesting that the ONLY subject you post about is how good IU and IU players are.
I don't ONLY post about how good IU is or their players. If you don't see that, that's on YOU.
Minnesota actually got a huge win last night on the road at Wisconsin.
I dont think they are any good, Wisconsin went 5 of 22 from 3 and shot 41% from the FT line and STILL got it to within 2 with like 2 minutes left, but a win is a win I guess.
Michigan beat Penn State pretty easily.
B1G is such a fun league this year
I dont think they are any good, Wisconsin went 5 of 22 from 3 and shot 41% from the FT line and STILL got it to within 2 with like 2 minutes left, but a win is a win I guess.
Michigan beat Penn State pretty easily.
B1G is such a fun league this year
What other handle have you used, BAB? And did it always have "Boiler" in it?
10 mins into this Michigan-Indiana game and Michigan is dumptrucking Indiana by 20. Michigans defense is swarming, theyve gameplanned specifically for Romeos inability to shoot and have destroyed Indiana out on the perimeter defensively.
Meanwhile, Zavier Simpson is attacking Devonte Green at will and Jordan Poole has abused Romeo Langford offensively.
Outside of 2 or 3 players, this Indiana roster is honestly mac level to me. Nobody looks like they belong on the court.
Meanwhile, Zavier Simpson is attacking Devonte Green at will and Jordan Poole has abused Romeo Langford offensively.
Outside of 2 or 3 players, this Indiana roster is honestly mac level to me. Nobody looks like they belong on the court.
Correct me if I am wrong: didn't IU fans make fun of Purdue's performance at Michigan? I think that Purdue's performance wasbetter.
I actually predicted todays struggles in another thread:
The reason Indianas offense has dropped to 42nd is precisely because romeo doesnt have a jumpshot.
And thats what has happened. Indianas offense has no spacing and Romeo has thrown up crazy 2 pointer after crazy 2 pointer and isnt getting the weak whistles he gets at AH. Indianas offense has been way better with Romeo on the bench today.
The reason Indianas offense has dropped to 42nd is precisely because romeo doesnt have a jumpshot.
It cramps the floor for his teammates and hes just a chucker and not a creator (as evidenced by his less than 2 assists per game) so he cant even combat his lack of spacing with good vision or good passing.
Indiana barely scored over a point per possession against Illinois, whose allowed nearly every team they faced to score well over a point per possession. They struggled to make 3s because Romeo is a high volume chucker. Hes not going to create. Hes going to barrel towards the rim and hope for foul calls while throwing up a bbunch of 2 point shots at only 6'6. This is almost assuredly a recipe for disaster and why Indianas offense has steadily devlined in efficiency.
This will work some at home, especially against an odd Illinois scheme whose roster doesnt fit it, but on the road in conference play and on a neutral floor in the NIT or tournament, Indiana is going to really struggle on offense when he isnt getting the favorable calls he receives at Assembly Hall if he doesnt either figure out passing or shooting, and there arent any real signs he has eithe figured out.
And thats what has happened. Indianas offense has no spacing and Romeo has thrown up crazy 2 pointer after crazy 2 pointer and isnt getting the weak whistles he gets at AH. Indianas offense has been way better with Romeo on the bench today.
Nebraska just seems like they're missing something. Their starting lineup is really, really good. They have 4 starters who could start anywhere and their 5th starter is a young guy who can drive and shoot. Thomas Allen is 60% from 2, 39% from 3, and 90+% from the FT line. Hes a tremendous 5th starter.
Theres just something slightly off about them, feels like they should be an elite team but are kinda meh away from home. Tim Miles just really sucks as a coach I think.
Theres just something slightly off about them, feels like they should be an elite team but are kinda meh away from home. Tim Miles just really sucks as a coach I think.
