B10 next year

[Boiler Buck]

Should be a tough race...hard to project......without looking at the unbalanced schedule here are the top 3 as I see it.....

#1 MN they have a great inside - outside combo.... Defensively inside they're tough to score against.....maybe toughest in nation. I think what gets them over the hump is they should have great senior leadership next year. Would not surprise me if they win the B10. Additionally I like their coaching staff... Good combo of being prepared and motivational emotional passion. Seem to be the team with the least faults and the least unknowns.

#2 MSU I am sure this will be the media pick for B10 champion and with good reason. But two things could be a problem for them......their guard play, certainly wasn't stellar last year, so lots of questions there. For a time it was rumored they were going to get Mark Smith....not sure how that turned out? But if they get him, game over move MSU To #1....the other problem is I am sure it will take sometime for new guys to gel....but should be OK by B1G season.

#3 Purdue. Again, great senior layden experienced team. They have great complementary players in DM, and PJT that make few mistakes, play good D and simply contribute to a winning team. VE and HAAS will provide alot of offensive punch to win some games.
But they have 3 problems:
--CS simply won several games last year for them. He was a difference maker that turned those games to victory. Additionally, he took alot of heat off the other guys and set thongs up for them. I think the rebounding and his turnovers will be a wash. New players rebounding and team rebounding will be up. Still CS was a force. They won't have that next year...and our likely to lose 3+ B10 games do to him just not being there. And those loses will keep us from winning the B10 again.
--Unconsistent play of VE and HAAS When they dissappear who is going to score?
--Lot of unknown in the new guys.. Is there anyone their that can be productive right away?? Let's hope so.....I know I do as that I think is our only hope in back to back Champs. But typically lower rated guys take 2+ years to turn into productive B10 players, if at all

 

[*4purdue*]

Should be a tough race...hard to project......without looking at the unbalanced schedule here are the top 3 as I see it.....

#1 MN they have a great inside - outside combo.... Defensively inside they're tough to score against.....maybe toughest in nation. I think what gets them over the hump is they should have great senior leadership next year. Would not surprise me if they win the B10. Additionally I like their coaching staff... Good combo of being prepared and motivational emotional passion. Seem to be the team with the least faults and the least unknowns.

#2 MSU I am sure this will be the media pick for B10 champion and with good reason. But two things could be a problem for them......their guard play, certainly wasn't stellar last year, so lots of questions there. For a time it was rumored they were going to get Mark Smith....not sure how that turned out? But if they get him, game over move MSU To #1....the other problem is I am sure it will take sometime for new guys to gel....but should be OK by B1G season.

#3 Purdue. Again, great senior layden experienced team. They have great complementary players in DM, and PJT that make few mistakes, play good D and simply contribute to a winning team. VE and HAAS will provide alot of offensive punch to win some games. But they have 3 problems:
--CS simply won several games last year for them. He was a difference maker that turned those games to victory. Additionally, he took alot of heat off the other guys and set thongs up for them. I think the rebounding and his turnovers will be a wash. New players rebounding and team rebounding will be up. Still CS was a force. They won't have that next year...and our likely to lose 3+ B10 games do to him just not being there. And those loses will keep us from winning the B10 again.
--Unconsistent play of VE and HAAS When they dissappear who is going to score?
--Lot of unknown in the new guys.. Is there anyone their that can be productive right away?? Let's hope so.....I know I do as that I think is our only hope in back to back Champs. But typically lower rated guys take 2+ years to turn into productive B10 players, if at all

#3 MD Always competitive - IF Trimble stays they might move us to 4th....right now I have them tied with us.....

With Bridges back... MSU is on top. If Biggie comes back, we are. Don't sleep on PSU & Northwestern either.

 

[SqueakyClean]

Should be a tough race...hard to project......without looking at the unbalanced schedule here are the top 3 as I see it.....

#3 MD Always competitive - IF Trimble stays they might move us to 4th....right now I have them tied with us.....

Trimble declared and hired an agent. He's gone.

 

[yosdk]

With Bridges back... MSU is on top. If Biggie comes back, we are. Don't sleep on PSU & Northwestern either.

I'll sleep on PSU

 

[TwinDegrees2]

Should be a tough race...hard to project......without looking at the unbalanced schedule here are the top 3 as I see it.....

#1 MN they have a great inside - outside combo.... Defensively inside they're tough to score against.....maybe toughest in nation. I think what gets them over the hump is they should have great senior leadership next year. Would not surprise me if they win the B10. Additionally I like their coaching staff... Good combo of being prepared and motivational emotional passion. Seem to be the team with the least faults and the least unknowns.

#2 MSU I am sure this will be the media pick for B10 champion and with good reason. But two things could be a problem for them......their guard play, certainly wasn't stellar last year, so lots of questions there. For a time it was rumored they were going to get Mark Smith....not sure how that turned out? But if they get him, game over move MSU To #1....the other problem is I am sure it will take sometime for new guys to gel....but should be OK by B1G season.

#3 Purdue. Again, great senior layden experienced team. They have great complementary players in DM, and PJT that make few mistakes, play good D and simply contribute to a winning team. VE and HAAS will provide alot of offensive punch to win some games. But they have 3 problems:
--CS simply won several games last year for them. He was a difference maker that turned those games to victory. Additionally, he took alot of heat off the other guys and set thongs up for them. I think the rebounding and his turnovers will be a wash. New players rebounding and team rebounding will be up. Still CS was a force. They won't have that next year...and our likely to lose 3+ B10 games do to him just not being there. And those loses will keep us from winning the B10 again.
--Unconsistent play of VE and HAAS When they dissappear who is going to score?
--Lot of unknown in the new guys.. Is there anyone their that can be productive right away?? Let's hope so.....I know I do as that I think is our only hope in back to back Champs. But typically lower rated guys take 2+ years to turn into productive B10 players, if at all

#3 MD Always competitive - IF Trimble stays they might move us to 4th....right now I have them tied with us.....

I believe Trimble has already declared for the draft.

 

[ck3boilers]

I'll sleep on PSU

They're going to be really talented and Chambers keeps progressing that program. NCAA tourney team next year

 

[PU52Chevy]

Should be a tough race...hard to project......without looking at the unbalanced schedule here are the top 3 as I see it.....

#1 MN they have a great inside - outside combo.... Defensively inside they're tough to score against.....maybe toughest in nation. I think what gets them over the hump is they should have great senior leadership next year. Would not surprise me if they win the B10. Additionally I like their coaching staff... Good combo of being prepared and motivational emotional passion. Seem to be the team with the least faults and the least unknowns.

#2 MSU I am sure this will be the media pick for B10 champion and with good reason. But two things could be a problem for them......their guard play, certainly wasn't stellar last year, so lots of questions there. For a time it was rumored they were going to get Mark Smith....not sure how that turned out? But if they get him, game over move MSU To #1....the other problem is I am sure it will take sometime for new guys to gel....but should be OK by B1G season.

#3 Purdue. Again, great senior layden experienced team. They have great complementary players in DM, and PJT that make few mistakes, play good D and simply contribute to a winning team. VE and HAAS will provide alot of offensive punch to win some games. But they have 3 problems:
--CS simply won several games last year for them. He was a difference maker that turned those games to victory. Additionally, he took alot of heat off the other guys and set thongs up for them. I think the rebounding and his turnovers will be a wash. New players rebounding and team rebounding will be up. Still CS was a force. They won't have that next year...and our likely to lose 3+ B10 games do to him just not being there. And those loses will keep us from winning the B10 again.
--Unconsistent play of VE and HAAS When they dissappear who is going to score?
--Lot of unknown in the new guys.. Is there anyone their that can be productive right away?? Let's hope so.....I know I do as that I think is our only hope in back to back Champs. But typically lower rated guys take 2+ years to turn into productive B10 players, if at all

#3 MD Always competitive - IF Trimble stays they might move us to 4th....right now I have them tied with us.....

Boogie will get more minutes and score more

As far as the newcomers, Ewing and Taylor will make up for Biggie missing.....you always seem to forget Taylor, he is experienced and will step right in.

Ewing and Eastern will be the two newcomers who add value on both ends.

I think we rank above MSU with or without Biggie.......we have the all around better team......

Not sold on Minny yet because a Pitino is at the helm.....

Iowa and Northwestern will take some big steps forward......

I say next year the Big finishes something like this:

Purdue
Minny
MSU
Michigan
Iowa
Wisky
Maryland
Northwestern
Indiana
Ohio State
Penn State
Illinois
Nebraska

Time will tell.....Boiler Up!

 

[OldNavyBoiler]

Boogie will get more minutes and score more

As far as the newcomers, Ewing and Taylor will make up for Biggie missing.....you always seem to forget Taylor, he is experienced and will step right in.

Ewing and Eastern will be the two newcomers who add value on both ends.

I think we rank above MSU with or without Biggie.......we have the all around better team......

Not sold on Minny yet because a Pitino is at the helm.....

Iowa and Northwestern will take some big steps forward......

I say next year the Big finishes something like this:

Purdue
Minny
MSU
Michigan
Iowa
Wisky
Maryland
Northwestern
Indiana
Ohio State
Penn State
Illinois
Nebraska

Time will tell.....Boiler Up!

Poor Rutgers didn't even make the list!!

 

[Boiler Buck]

Trimble declared and hired an agent. He's gone.

Awesome

 

[Boiler Buck]

Boogie will get more minutes and score more

As far as the newcomers, Ewing and Taylor will make up for Biggie missing.....you always seem to forget Taylor, he is experienced and will step right in.

Ewing and Eastern will be the two newcomers who add value on both ends.

I think we rank above MSU with or without Biggie.......we have the all around better team......

Not sold on Minny yet because a Pitino is at the helm.....

Iowa and Northwestern will take some big steps forward......
I say next year the Big finishes something like this:

Purdue
Minny
MSU
Michigan
Iowa
Wisky
Maryland
Northwestern
Indiana
Ohio State
Penn State
Illinois
Nebraska

Time will tell.....Boiler Up!

Awe...yes, I forgot about Taylor.... can I change my mind and repost Purdue as #1... Don't know what I was thinking

 

[Boiler Buck]

With Bridges back... MSU is on top. If Biggie comes back, we are. Don't sleep on PSU & Northwestern either.

I believe there will be a log jam after Purdue in 3Rd. Since Trimble is gone....I see MICH, MD. PSU, NW & IOWA all fighting for 4th.....haven't studied that bunches recruiting to see who will rise up out of that group.

I really see MN & MSU as the class of the B10 with Purdue off the pace in third.

 

[nagemj02]

Michigan State might be a lot better with all the players they have returning (including Miles Bridges and redshirts Ben Carter and Gavin Schilling), along with their incoming recruiting class (Jackson, Jr., Tillman, etc.). I would say they're the favorites right now.

Most expect Biggie to stay in the draft, so he will definitely leave a void, much like A.J. Hammons did last year. If the Boilers can add one (or two) dynamite newcomers, I might put them up there with MSU. Otherwise, I give the Spartans the nod right now.

Early 2017-2018 B1G Predictions:

1. Michigan State (lots of returnees, including some that should improve, plus a very good recruiting class usually equals a significantly improved team)

T2. Minnesota (other than grad-transfer guard Akeem Springs, they're returning everyone of note)

T2. Purdue (for the most part, we know who the Boilers will or won't return: those returnees know how to play together and win; we also have a somewhat educated idea of what the newcomers can add to the team next season)

4. Wisconsin (they always find a way to finish in the top 4, no matter how many players they lose: it will be Ethan Happ and the new batch of regulars)

5. Michigan (they lose Derrick Walton, Zak Irvin, and reserve Mark Donnal but should still be very formidable, especially if D.J. Wilson and Mo Wagner return to school)

6. Northwestern (other than Sanjay Lumpkin and Nate Taphorn, everyone returns for NW, including injury redshirts Aaron Falzon and Rapolas Ivanauskas)

T7. Indiana (I think they'll be more consistent under Archie Miller and probably won't try to push the tempo as often, since it led to a ton of TO's for them last season; they lose O.G. Anunoby but appear as if they'll return everyone else of note; they have the talent to contend for a B1G title, but many of the returnees have developed some bad habits under the previous coach's watch that they'll need to break in order to improve)

T7. Maryland (Melo Trimble's departure leaves a big void for Maryland; they're also losing at least two other players, but last season's strong freshman class, along with some veterans, will keep them in contention for an NCAA berth)

9. Iowa (Peter Jok is gone but most everyone else returns, along with a solid recruiting class)

T10. Illinois (they lose five seniors of note, but they have a few solid returnees, a good recruiting class and Brad Underwood is an upgrade from John Groce)

T10. Penn State (they've had couple of outgoing transfers but their core group, including all of their 2016 freshmen, return)

12. Ohio State (they have some talent, but their overall recruiting has definitely dipped for them over the past 2 or 3 years; also, their past couple of teams haven't played very smart overall as a unit: this might be Thad Matta's last season as HC)

T13. Nebraska (anytime they seem to have some momentum as a program under Tim Miles, it is quickly besieged by setbacks: 14 players have either transferred out, quit the team, or left early in Miles' five seasons: they have enough returnees for a good starting five, but depth could be a major issue for them: this could be Miles' last season as well)

T13. Rutgers (it's going to be baby steps for the Scarlet Knights program, but they've already looked better in one season under HC Steve Pikiell than they ever did under his predecessor, Eddie Jordan)

 

[Boiler Buck]

Michigan State might be a lot better with all the players they have returning (including Miles Bridges and redshirts Ben Carter and Gavin Schilling), along with their incoming recruiting class (Jackson, Jr., Tillman, etc.). I would say they're the favorites right now.

Most expect Biggie to stay in the draft, so he will definitely leave a void, much like A.J. Hammons did last year. If the Boilers can add one (or two) dynamite newcomers, I might put them up there with MSU. Otherwise, I give the Spartans the nod right now.

Early 2017-2018 B1G Predictions:

1. Michigan State (lots of returnees, including some that should improve, plus a very good recruiting class usually equals a significantly improved team)

T2. Minnesota (other than grad-transfer guard Akeem Springs, they're returning everyone of note)

T2. Purdue (for the most part, we know who the Boilers will or won't return: those returnees know how to play together and win; we also have an idea of what the newcomers can add to the team next season)

4. Wisconsin (they always find a way to finish in the top 4, no matter how many players they lose: it will be Ethan Happ and the new batch of regulars)

5. Michigan (they lose Derrick Walton, Zak Irvin, and reserve Mark Donnal, but will still be pretty good, especially if D.J. Wilson and Mo Wagner return to school)

6. Northwestern (other than Sanjay Lumpkin and Nate Taphorn, everyone returns for NW, including injury redshirts Aaron Falzon and Rapolas Ivanauskas)

T7. Indiana (I think they'll be more consistent under Archie Miller and probably won't try to push the tempo as often, since it led to a ton of TO's for them last season; they lose O.G. Anunoby but appear as if they'll return everyone else of note; they have the talent to contend for a B1G title, but the returnees have some bad habits they'll need to break as well)

T7. Maryland (Melo Trimble's departure leaves a big void for Maryland; they're also losing at least two other players, but last season's strong freshman class, along with some veterans, will keep them in contention for an NCAA berth)

9. Iowa (Peter Jok is gone but most everyone else returns, along with a solid recruiting class)

T10. Illinois (they lose five seniors of note, but they have a few solid returnees, a good recruiting class and Brad Underwood is an upgrade from John Groce)

T10. Penn State (they've had couple of outgoing transfers but their core group, including all of their 2016 newcomers, return)

12. Ohio State (they have some talent, but recruiting has definitely dipped for them over the past 2 or 3 years; also, their past couple of teams haven't played very smart as a unit in a couple of seasons as well: this might be Thad Matta's last season as HC)

T13. Nebraska (anytime they seem to have some momentum as a program under Tim Miles, it is quickly besieged by setbacks: 14 players have either transferred, quit the team, or left early in Miles' five seasons: they have enough returnees for a good starting five, but depth will be an issue for them: this could be Miles' last season as well)

T13. Rutgers (it's going to be baby steps for the Scarlet Knights program, but they've already looked better in one season under HC Steve Pikiell than they ever did under his predecessor, Eddie Jordan)

That is a really good write up and analysis.. well done....I think you might have convinced me....except for WISKY...if they stay in the top 4 their coach should be coach of the year after all the senior leadership they lost IMO.

 

[BoilerStation]

Boogie will get more minutes and score more

As far as the newcomers, Ewing and Taylor will make up for Biggie missing.....you always seem to forget Taylor, he is experienced and will step right in.

Ewing and Eastern will be the two newcomers who add value on both ends.

I think we rank above MSU with or without Biggie.......we have the all around better team......

Not sold on Minny yet because a Pitino is at the helm.....

Iowa and Northwestern will take some big steps forward......

I say next year the Big finishes something like this:

Purdue
Minny
MSU
Michigan
Iowa
Wisky
Maryland
Northwestern
Indiana
Ohio State
Penn State
Illinois
Nebraska

Time will tell.....Boiler Up!

I agree with just about every thing you said but but would maybe swap a few spots on your big ten finish. I could see IU finishing a spot or two higher and this may finally be the year Wisconsin finishes outside the top 4 and top half of the Big.

 

[WestCoastRoses]

MSU will have a good argument to be not just the #1 team in the Big Ten but the #1 overall team in the country. With two potential NBA lottery picks on their roster, one of whom who would've been a lotto pick THIS year. That's the kind of high end talent you need to dominate as long as you have skill, size and depth behind them and that is exactly what Izzo has.

PG. Winston, 6'1"
SG. Langford, 6'5" 215
SF. Bridges, 6'7" 230
PF. Jackson, 6'11" 210 (5 star McDAA, USA Hoop Summit)
CT. Ward, 6'9" 255

Bench:

PG. Tum Tum, 5'10" 175
SG. McQuaid, 6'4" 190
SF. Ahrens, 6'5" 205
PF. Tillman, 6'8" 250 (4 star) -- Goins, 6'6" 230
CT. Schilling, 6'9" 245

And still with two more slots to fill and three or four targets to fill them with...

Mark Smith, 6'5" 220 (4 star)
Brian Bowen, 6'7" 205 (5 star)
Brandon McCoy, 7'0" 240 (5 star)
**Ben Carter, 6'9" 225 (petitioning for 6th year)

 

[Boiler Buck]

MSU will have a good argument to be not just the #1 team in the Big Ten but the #1 overall team in the country. With two potential NBA lottery picks on their roster, one of whom who would've been a lotto pick THIS year. That's the kind of high end talent you need to dominate as long as you have skill, size and depth behind them and that is exactly what Izzo has.

PG. Winston, 6'1"
SG. Langford, 6'5" 215
SF. Bridges, 6'7" 230
PF. Jackson, 6'11" 210 (5 star McDAA, USA Hoop Summit)
CT. Ward, 6'9" 255

Bench:

PG. Tum Tum, 5'10" 175
SG. McQuaid, 6'4" 190
SF. Ahrens, 6'5" 205
PF. Tillman, 6'8" 250 (4 star) -- Goins, 6'6" 230
CT. Schilling, 6'9" 245

And still with two more slots to fill and three or four targets to fill them with...

Mark Smith, 6'5" 220 (4 star)
Brian Bowen, 6'7" 205 (5 star)
Brandon McCoy, 7'0" 240 (5 star)
**Ben Carter, 6'9" 225 (petitioning for 6th year)

Izzo gets it done.

 

[yosdk]

Izzo gets it done.

He'd better get it done.

 

[jadeezra]

Anybody think that since the rookie contracts are getting negotiated this offseason that it may affect Swanigans decision ? They've always said it's sturdily business and next years draft is much weaker


Hey I can dream

 

[blockm2]

if DJ Wilson and Mo Wagner come back, and PG Jaaren Simmons grad transfers to Michigan, they will have a reasonable shot at finishing top 2 or 3 in the conference.

On the other hand, I'm not buying the Minnesota hype train just yet. Yes they return everybody but Springs, but I'm not sold on any of those players actually being that great that they return. They finished tied for 5th in conference efficiency margin last season so it's not like they were some dominant team bringing everybody back. I think Coffey is probably the only player on their roster that has the potential to significantly improve.

 

[nagemj02]

if DJ Wilson and Mo Wagner come back, and PG Jaaren Simmons grad transfers to Michigan, they will have a reasonable shot at finishing top 2 or 3 in the conference.

On the other hand, I'm not buying the Minnesota hype train just yet. Yes they return everybody but Springs, but I'm not sold on any of those players actually being that great that they return. They finished tied for 5th in conference efficiency margin last season so it's not like they were some dominant team bringing everybody back. I think Coffey is probably the only player on their roster that has the potential to significantly improve.

Are you speculating that Jaaron Simmons is going to transfer from Ohio U. or is there some concrete source from which you draw this?

He would be a solid pickup for any program: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/66114/jaaron-simmons

 

[blockm2]

Are you speculating that Jaaron Simmons is going to transfer from Ohio U. or is there some concrete source from which you draw this?

He would be a solid pickup for any program: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/66114/jaaron-simmons

he just officially announced his transfer to Michigan

He had initially announced he would enter the draft without hiring an agent, but he didn't really get much of any attention so he decided to grad transfer to Michigan that had a strong roster but a wide open PG position that could give him a lot more visibility and potential to play his way onto the NBA radar.

 

[Boiler Buck]

he just officially announced his transfer to Michigan

He had initially announced he would enter the draft without hiring an agent, but he didn't really get much of any attention so he decided to grad transfer to Michigan that had a strong roster but a wide open PG position that could give him a lot more visibility and potential to play his way onto the NBA radar.

Well given that and the info above....

1. MSU
2. MICH
3. MN
4. Purdue
4. NW
(I will concede, I was prob. a little to enthusiastic about MN and Purdue)

 

[Boilerkid18]

MSU will have a good argument to be not just the #1 team in the Big Ten but the #1 overall team in the country. With two potential NBA lottery picks on their roster, one of whom who would've been a lotto pick THIS year. That's the kind of high end talent you need to dominate as long as you have skill, size and depth behind them and that is exactly what Izzo has.

PG. Winston, 6'1"
SG. Langford, 6'5" 215
SF. Bridges, 6'7" 230
PF. Jackson, 6'11" 210 (5 star McDAA, USA Hoop Summit)
CT. Ward, 6'9" 255

Bench:

PG. Tum Tum, 5'10" 175
SG. McQuaid, 6'4" 190
SF. Ahrens, 6'5" 205
PF. Tillman, 6'8" 250 (4 star) -- Goins, 6'6" 230
CT. Schilling, 6'9" 245

And still with two more slots to fill and three or four targets to fill them with...

Mark Smith, 6'5" 220 (4 star)
Brian Bowen, 6'7" 205 (5 star)
Brandon McCoy, 7'0" 240 (5 star)
**Ben Carter, 6'9" 225 (petitioning for 6th year)

Gilligan, is that you?

 

[nagemj02]

he just officially announced his transfer to Michigan

He had initially announced he would enter the draft without hiring an agent, but he didn't really get much of any attention so he decided to grad transfer to Michigan that had a strong roster but a wide open PG position that could give him a lot more visibility and potential to play his way onto the NBA radar.

I wouldn't say it was wide-open. This news probably does not please Xavier Simpson.

 

[blockm2]

I wouldn't say it was wide-open. This news probably does not please Xavier Simpson.

The contenders for PG without Simmons were Simpson who played a total of 332 minutes last season and incoming freshman 3 star recruit Eli Brooks. I'd call it wide open when the leading contender has a total of 59 points and 37 assists in his 1 season of college basketball.

Simmons on the other hand has accumulated 1034 points and 475 assists over the last 2 seasons for Ohio.

Simpson will still be in line to get 15-20 minutes a game backing up Simmons and in 2 PG lineups next season. He should be fine. Ibi Watson is the one that should be more concerned since he barely got off the bench this season and figures to not play next season either.