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As a Michigan fan, thought that was the worst officiating I have seen

Purdue is just as good as Michigan problem Purdue had on offense yesterday was having no running game with both running backs out that made the difference. When you have no Run game and you rely on the pass the whole game they can key on that and don't have to worry about the running game. If Jones & Fuller was healthy our offense I think would have been a hell of a lot better.

Umm, no we are not as good as Michigan. Hopefully we can compete in a few years but we're not close on talent right now.
 
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It's unfortunate we got called for targeting (they were bad calls) but I think because UM's QB got hurt the refs felt compelled to call them. Ironically he got hurt just from a football play not from targeting and now we have two starters out for the next game because of it. Had UM's receivers hit anthrop in the second half I think they would've been called too, but refs weren't calling anything until UMs QB went down.
 
While you may view it as "absurd" it is still the rule. It's easily correctable as well by just teaching the tackler to aim for the numbers. Simple as that.

However, there needs to be some consistency in the rule being called and the resulting ejection of players. From one game to the next you can have it called a plethora of different ways. Hell, it was not called consistently between the two teams on the field in our game.

UCLA Stanford, the UCLA player aimed for the hips and the Stanford player lowered his head into the tackle. They called the UCLA player with targeting because the crown of his helmet hit the Stanford player's helmet.

The converse argument, is when players tackle low or at the knees, like with the Penn State ball carrier, he just jumped over the tackler. It's getting ridiculous when players are pulling back tryin not to get a penalty, and it allows the other team to break a big play.

The rule is terrible as it stands. It doesn't take into account the actions of the ball carrier or incidental contact. Plays that shouldn't be penalties at all turn into 15 yards, 1st down, and an ejection. It has been a turning point in Purdue's two losses. So yes, it has been very frustrating point of emphasis for Purdue.

There were a miriad of blown calls, but targeting is the one that sticks the most because of the ejection that comes with it. It is a huge momentum shift and the rule absolutely has to be changed.
 
You give us both running backs back and we're just as good as Michigan I don't think Michigan is a top-10 team top 25 But Not Top 10. Michigan is nothing special this year.
 
LOL. Give me a break. For every call you claim cost you, there is one that went against Michigan as well. Let's not even talk about the all the dirty play from Purdue. A bunch of chop blocks (only 2 called), textbook targeting (No, they shouldn't be ejected), and that punk ass push way out of bounds (now that player deserved to be ejected). You guys are headed in the right direction and I think Brohm will have you competing for the division in 2-3 years, but the whining about the officiating is ridiculous. Especially when you gain TEN yards the 2nd half.
Totally agree...Brohm should have been coaching instead of whining to the officials the whole game. Post game comments from Brohm and the radio announcers about player's being out and some injured was ridiculous excuse for losing. Whatever happen with the next man up? The calls were correct and the coach needs to apologize first to the fans and then to the Big Ten for dirty play. People talk about Haze leftovers... Don't you think that those player's that Haze recruited dont hear or read about this? Why would you play hard? Don't be surprised if you don't see Alstotts boy at QB soon... Mike's not going to fly from Florida to West Lafayette to see his boy sit the bench much longer... Brohm has to be loyal to the alumni Just like that Anthrop boy which shouldn't be playing division 1 ball anyway he had no scholarship offers from any big school's. Ready or not Griffith needs to have playing time..
can't be any worse that what's playing now. Griffith is Purdue's future. Look like Blough has given up cause of the 2 QB rotation.
 
Those two running backs would have made a difference. Michigan would have not been able to tee off on one thing. That was the problem with the offense yesterday and the defense. The defense played good three-quarters through the game got tired because they was on the field too much and losing two players. That is my opinion and I'm sticking to it. All in all we got a pretty good football team better than the last 6-7 years. It's fun to watch Purdue again.
 
The word "targeting" implies that a player is intentionally aiming to hit an opponent in the head with his helmet. The refs are calling it such that whenever two helmets hit each other, the tackler is guilty of targeting. I understand the need to reduce concussions but the current rule is absurd.
Couple of decent articles on the subject of targeting
http://collegefootball.ap.org/article/targeting-college-footballs-most-hated-rule-here-stay

AND

https://www.sbnation.com/college-fo...ulebook-helmet-crown-head-to-head-defenseless
 
Nobody mentioned the sack on Sindelar by Mich blonde haired DL that was helmet to helmet with a ref right next to the play.

Face it...we got beat period.
Till Purdue can earn a reputation as a powerhouse team (I doubt we ever will), those calls go unnoticed. Just have to play thru those always.
 
Totally agree...Brohm should have been coaching instead of whining to the officials the whole game. Post game comments from Brohm and the radio announcers about player's being out and some injured was ridiculous excuse for losing. Whatever happen with the next man up? The calls were correct and the coach needs to apologize first to the fans and then to the Big Ten for dirty play. People talk about Haze leftovers... Don't you think that those player's that Haze recruited dont hear or read about this? Why would you play hard? Don't be surprised if you don't see Alstotts boy at QB soon... Mike's not going to fly from Florida to West Lafayette to see his boy sit the bench much longer... Brohm has to be loyal to the alumni Just like that Anthrop boy which shouldn't be playing division 1 ball anyway he had no scholarship offers from any big school's. Ready or not Griffith needs to have playing time..
can't be any worse that what's playing now. Griffith is Purdue's future. Look like Blough has given up cause of the 2 QB rotation.

Wow, of all the stupid comments on the internet this has to be the dumbest I've ever seen. Well done
 
Totally agree...Brohm should have been coaching instead of whining to the officials the whole game. Post game comments from Brohm and the radio announcers about player's being out and some injured was ridiculous excuse for losing. Whatever happen with the next man up? The calls were correct and the coach needs to apologize first to the fans and then to the Big Ten for dirty play. People talk about Haze leftovers... Don't you think that those player's that Haze recruited dont hear or read about this? Why would you play hard? Don't be surprised if you don't see Alstotts boy at QB soon... Mike's not going to fly from Florida to West Lafayette to see his boy sit the bench much longer... Brohm has to be loyal to the alumni Just like that Anthrop boy which shouldn't be playing division 1 ball anyway he had no scholarship offers from any big school's. Ready or not Griffith needs to have playing time..
can't be any worse that what's playing now. Griffith is Purdue's future. Look like Blough has given up cause of the 2 QB rotation.
Who is Griffith?Andy?The Mayberry sheriff?
 
There's no way this post can be real. I don't think it was lopsided, or at least not enough to justify a post like this from someone claiming to be a Michigan fan.

I'm actually re-watching the game now since I was there and like re-watching them after. I figured I'd write down every call/no-call in the game as I see them and what team it benefited (besides obvious non-judgement calls, etc.) just so we can see if it really was so lopsided.

1st quarter:

14:51 1st & 10 PU on PU 49 - Blough scrambles left and slides for 11. Chase Winovich crashes into him from behind. Not really a lot of complaining about this one but worth noting. Winovich begins his tackle attempt almost simultaneously with Blough's slide. Good non-call. UM Benefit

13:34 2nd & 9 PU on UM 39 - Blough throws ball that lands at 9yd line. PU WR gets grabbed at the 25 for half a second and isn't even across the 20 by the time the ball lands. Unless he can cover 11yds in less than a second, the grab did not effect this play. Good non-call. UM Benefit

10:52 3rd & 13 PU on PU 40 - There was a chop-block on this play with #53 and #1. The Michigan player hand jostles with the center and begins to get around the center when the RB cuts him below the waist. I wouldn't say the Michigan player was actively engaged (physically) with the center so this one could have gone either way but it certainly didn't look good. 50/50 Call. UM Benefit.

8:59 3rd & 3 UM on UM 41 - Speight scrambles out to his right and ultimately throws ball away. He is pulled down afterward near the sideline. UM bench wanted late-hit but the tackle starts before Speight reaches sideline. Good non-call. PU Benefit.

5:19 3rd & 5 UM on UM 28
- Speight is sacked and nailed from behind after already being on the ground. PU defender does not begin his hit until after Speight is down. Very surprised this wasn't called, especially when it resulted in injury. Missed Call. PU Benefit.

4:54 4th & 16 UM on UM 17 - Michigan is called for kick catch interference on a late flag. While Fox doesn't show a replay, a careful look at the play in slow-mo shows a very curious play. UM player clearly sees the fair catch and starts to stop himself and tries to avoid the returner from a good 6yds away. I can't tell if the PU player blocking him pulls him into the returner or not but it seems strange that he would make contact with the returner on his own. 50/50 Call. PU Benefit.

1:56 1st &10 UM on UM 31 - Michigan has a nice run to the right for 7 yards. This run is clearly aided by a hold by #89. Missed Call. UM Benefit.

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2nd Quarter:

11:45 3rd & 4 UM on PU 11 - Michigan throws a TD pass here. Potential hold on UM #75 goes uncalled. However, I think this is a good no-call as the pass is off at the same time it's occurring which means it most likely did not influence the play. You can call holding on every play as they say, this one I don't think aided the play. Had O'Korn held the ball just an extra second it should have and probably would have been called. Good non-call. UM Benefit.

8:27 3rd & 10 UM on UM 24 - Michigan throws an INT on this play. The ball bounces off the receivers hands and for good reason. He was clearly hit prior to the ball arriving. However, it's not super obvious until you look at it in slow-mo. It looked pretty bang bang in person but it was still a bad no-call. Missed Call. PU Benefit.


7:35 1st & 10 PU on UM 14 - Pass is incomplete out of the back of the endzone. #23 for UM delivers shoulder to shoulder hit on the late side. Could have been called but I think most fans would call it a ticky-tack one. Wasn't an overly aggressive hit and he was already engaged prior to it being evident the WR didn't have the ball. Could have pulled off some still. 50/50 No-Call. UM Benefit.

4:41 1st & 10 PU on PU 34 - This was an incomplete pass to the right side. PU was called for Offensive PI. UM corner has the inside of the WR who pulls him out of the way as the ball is nearing. Actually a nice play by the WR to make sure this wasn't an INT but a clear penalty. They also call a chop-block on this same play. #34 was engaged with the DE when #1 comes and blocks low. Good Calls. UM Benefit.

1:19 2nd & 8 PU on PU 23 - This was an obvious off-sides and near encroachment (which is a dead ball penalty) on UM. Refs actually allow a brief moment for Purdue to snap the ball and get the free play off which is a completed pass for 23 yards. Could have been whistled dead for encroachment but good eyes by refs. Good job letting PU run a play. Good Call. PU Benefit.

1:06 1st & 10 PU on PU 46
- PU WR falls after contact with UM CB. Actually looks incidental in real-time but replay shows UM CB making contact with WR without looking back for the ball himself. Possibly impeding the WR's ability to make a play on it. Missed Call. UM Benefit.

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3rd Quarter:

13:27 3rd & 12 UM on UM 27
- Purdue is called for defensive holding on a deep pass to the right. The hold happens at the UM 42yd line but the ball lands about 2 seconds later at the PU 35. The hold happens just before or at best, at the exact moment O'Korn releases the ball. I think this ball is clearly uncatchable but unlike the UM non-call (13:34 1st qtr), the hold was done prior to the ball being in the air. Defensive holdings are called on players that don't even get the ball thrown near them so this is actually an alright call I think. The ref also doesn't even track the ball after he throws the flag because it's irrelevant for the penalty he's calling. Had he done it a second later it should not have been called as it would have to be PI at that point which wouldn't apply with an uncatchable ball. Good Call. UM Benefit.

10:45 3rd & 9 PU on PU 21 - Incomplete pass over the middle. Michigan DB is draped over slot WR and reaches over his body to make the break-up. WR wanted a flag but contact wasn't awful and UM player actually touches ball first as both players dive for it. (was also uncatchable to be fair although obvious contact should be called on that one if it were there). Good non-call. UM Benefit.

8:50 3rd & 21 PU on PU 26
- Clear hold by #75 opens the hole that allows the 14yd gain on a draw. Missed Call. PU Benefit.

8:02 1st & 10 UM on UM 14 - Hold called on #70 following a 32yd pass after O'Korn rolls out. This was a late flag but was probably another case of being able to call holding every play and waiting to see the result to see if it mattered rather than wasting time. Good call. PU Benefit.

6:02 1st & 10 UM on UM 30
- This was a near-sack where O'Korn stayed on his feet with a defender wrapped around his ankles. He managed to get a throw off to avoid the sack. Crowd really wanted intentional grounding on this but the ball was maybe at most a foot over the TE's hand on the throw.intended for him. Suffice to say, someone was in the area. Good non-call. UM Benefit.

4:44 1st & 10 UM on PU 37- Now I'll be honest with you, I don't know, like most people what the hell targeting even is anymore with what gets confirmed and what gets reversed. However, When you lunge upwards towards a "defenseless" players head, it's getting called every time. Targeting aside, it's unnecessary roughness in both NCAA and NFL. Might dislike the rule but the call is correct. Good Call. UM Benefit.

1:22: 4th & 18 PU on PU 12 - This was obviously the running into the kicker call. According to the NCAA rules (Rule 9, Section 1 Article 16) it states roughing is a hit that endangers the kicker while running is any contact that just displaces the kicker, not necessarily which foot is hit like the commentators were discussing (who were terrible btw) Rules guru Mike Pereria agreed with the call for whatever that's worth. They called it running into for a reason (and I'm no officiating expert) but I couldn't complain if they called it roughing, either. 50/50 Call. UM Benefit.

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4th Quarter:

13:13 2nd & 7 - UM on PU 29
- Michigan is called for lining up with 12 men. Harbaugh didn't like the call at all. Fox never shows a reply and you can't pick it up on the broadcast. I remember in person one player running off late but it was right before the huddle was broken. The referee waits to throw the flag until the huddle was broken and the player was still on the field (only 3-4 steps from the sideline). According to the rules (Section 5 Article 2), this was an incorrect call. A 12th player has 4 seconds to leave the huddle when being substituted out. There is no penalty for him running off the field as the huddle is being broken, only when the ball is snapped. He clearly didn't line up either as Michigan wasn't even done lining up when it was whistled I wish I could see a replay to know for sure what happened so we'll call it 50/50. 50/50 Call. PU Benefit.

12:26 2nd & 17 - UM on PU 39 - This play results in a pass for a first down. However on the replay you clearly see #7 of Purdue being double teamed at the line and he commits hands to face to center on his left and could even be called for doing it with his other hand at the same time to the guard on his right right in front of the back judge, luckily for UM it doesn't matter on this play. Missed Call. PU Benefit.

11:45 1st & 10 - UM on PU 16 - Sweep outside for a loss of 3. Late flag comes in for block below the waist on UM's #9. Good Call. PU Benefit.

11:30 1st & 25 - UM on PU 31 - This drive was littered with penalties. This was a completed pass to the 6yd line. PU is called for roughing the passer with targeting. The PU player doesn't even lunge until after the ball is released and you just can't hit a player like this and not get it called. Especially the QB. I think roughing was a good call and this one was certainly targeting regardless. Good Call. UM Benefit.

10:31 1st & 10 - PU on PU 20
- Purdue's LT straight up tackles a blitzing nickelback. Should have been called if it mattered but PU gets the pass out very quickly on this play rendering it moot. Good non-call. PU Benefit.

9:39 - 1st & 10 - UM on UM 24 - Michigan is called for an ineligible receiver downfield on #80.This was the fullback who was lined up as the fullback and made a block before going downfield. The refs must have confused him to be a lineman when he broke off his block near the LOS to go down field. Even if he were ineligible, he didn't cross the LOS when waiting for a potential pass. Awful call.Bad Call. PU Benefit.


8:06 - 1st & 10 - UM on UM 35
- Michigan runs out to the left for 2 yards. Clear late hit out of bounds by PU defender. RB was a good 2yds deep and 3 steps out of bounds before shove. No debating this one. Good Call. UM Benefit.


Michigan scores soon after and the game is essentially over. No point in analyzing penalties in garbage time. So by my count there were 7 straight up missed/bad calls. 5 went Purdue's way. There were an additional 5 50/50 calls with 3 going Michigan's way. The other 15 calls/non-calls were fine. The only bad/missed calls that actually changed a possession was the missed PI on Purdue's interception. The only 50/50 call that directly influenced a possession was the running into the kicker.

I don't know what game you watched but to feel so strongly compelled to create an account and say you never saw such lopsided officiating is hilarious. The refs did a decent job for the most part. By nature of the game someone's going to come out on the short-end of the stick in regards to officiating but nothing in this game was so bad that it was game changing.
 
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Well some random guy wrote a long post on the internet that is essentially nothing but his judgement of what happened by watching on TV so it must be right.
Feel free to watch every play I listed and objectively disagree with anything posted.

It's called analysis to refute a post I thought was silly. I really don't think I was unfair. Bottom line is both teams had calls and no calls benefit them. Like every football game ever and none were ultra terrible. If you think you lost because of penalties, I can understand you may not be inclined to change your mind but with a W in our pocket I think I can be objective enough to look at the calls for what they were which I did. I time stamped them all for you. I know in-depth football discussion may not be a thing on a Purdue forum but no need to be a jerk about it.
 
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Feel free to watch every play I listed and objectively disagree with anything posted.
Michigan is called for an ineligible receiver downfield on #80. I thought the tv announcers confirmed the ref called the wrong number. Listen to the broadcast there I can't remember but I think it was the right call for the wrong number if it's the play I'm thinking of.
 
Michigan is called for an ineligible receiver downfield on #80. I thought the tv announcers confirmed the ref called the wrong number. Listen to the broadcast there I can't remember but I think it was the right call for the wrong number if it's the play I'm thinking of.
No linemen were beyond LOS. This call meant nothing as it was an incomplete pass and Michigan ends up with a first down a few plays later but that call was probably the worst of the day just because it was so wrong.
 
Feel free to watch every play I listed and objectively disagree with anything posted.

It's called analysis to refute a post I thought was silly. I really don't think I was unfair. Bottom line is both teams had calls and no calls benefit them. Like every football game ever and none were ultra terrible. If you think you lost because of penalties, I can understand you may not be inclined to change your mind but with a W in our pocket I think I can be objective enough to look at the calls for what they were which I did. I time stamped them all for you. I know in-depth football discussion may not be a thing on a Purdue forum but no need to be a jerk about it.

You neglected to mention the spotting of the ball issues. Where the refs had to stop play and move the ball (once was almost a full five yards) to even put the ball where it should have been. That is inexcusable at that level.

As for your break-down, I objectively disagree. Every one of the obvious misses that could be seen from the stadium in real-time benefited Michigan. The ones against Purdue you had to ether be in slow mo or check three cameras for a full view. That isn't the same. The obvious miss calls is what folks were upset about. The missed PI/Hold against Mochgan that wasn't called and when the same play happened, Michigan got the call. The hit on Anthrop where is helmet was knocked off, but Theineman gets the targeting call when the player dropped at the last second and it wasn't the crown of the helmet or even a punch to the helmet.

I also disagree with several of the calls that went the way of Michigan that you claim where good calls. No sense in arguing about it though. I appreciate the effort you put in your post, and you made the arguments to back your opinion. However, your viewing was not accurate and NONE of the obvious calls misscalls or bad calls went the way of Purdue. THAT is what people are complaining about. Overall, it was one-sided to benefit Michigan. The refs couldn't do little things like spot the all correctly and their were way too many late flags where the refs just didn't seem to know what they were doing.
 
Feel free to watch every play I listed and objectively disagree with anything posted.

One can't refute anything objectively when the source material is subjective.

I don't care how objective one believes they are, when evaluating plays/penalties in a game using TV coverage and when you are fan of one of the teams it will be fraught with subjectivity.

I have a family member that worked for a big-time NCAA FB program for about 10 years in the video department. He was constantly asked to pull film (and they had film angles you wouldn't believe like all-22 sideline and endzone as well as dedicated cameras to line play and defensive backfield) from games to submit to conference about penalty calls/no-calls. They actually had a third party rules guy (think like Mike Pereria on the broadcast) review it as well to make sure they weren't being overcome by subjectivity.

I know in-depth football discussion may not be a thing on a Purdue forum but no need to be a jerk about it.

Trust me, I wasn't even close to being a jerk.
 
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