another 2018 pg offer

[tjreese]

Not sure of his height, but can play at the rim. Seems to have good quickness and ball handling. Likes to showboat. Around 1 minute or so you can see what "almost" appeared to be a Maravich move, but he did it different. Teh ball is in his right hand and instead of crossing over...he actually takes his left hand to the ball and pulls it back to his left side...very unorthodox and not a good habit. Tehn around 1:30 or so he places the ball behind his back not away from the D, but in front of the D. Kid is talented, but has some fundamental issues. Anyway...kid can break down the D and glad to see Purdue offered. compliments of old boiler

 

[Do Dah Day]

There are some aspects to this offer that interest me. One is that he is from Canada ...which indicates MP is casting a wide net (even if Lusk is the instigator on some). Two, he is a bit on the "wild" side as a player, something MP has seemed to avoid in the past. Three, his major attribute is that he can break-down the D, something we have tended to take outside shooters over in the past. I like what this indicates.

 

[Do Dah Day]

Preliminary info says he's 6' 2". And Cole Swider does not have PU on his final list. So, lose one, add one.

 

[tjreese]

There are some aspects to this offer that interest me. One is that he is from Canada ...which indicates MP is casting a wide net (even if Lusk is the instigator on some). Two, he is a bit on the "wild" side as a player, something MP has seemed to avoid in the past. Three, his major attribute is that he can break-down the D, something we have tended to take outside shooters over in the past. I like what this indicates.

I agree with all three. he does need a little more fundamental approach that enhances his efficiency such as the areas I stated, but yes...I think you are on it on all three accounts.

 

[Travisty13]

Not sure of his height, but can play at the rim. Seems to have good quickness and ball handling. Likes to showboat. Around 1 minute or so you can see what "almost" appeared to be a Maravich move, but he did it different. Teh ball is in his right hand and instead of crossing over...he actually takes his left hand to the ball and pulls it back to his left side...very unorthodox and not a good habit. Tehn around 1:30 or so he places the ball behind his back not away from the D, but in front of the D. Kid is talented, but has some fundamental issues. Anyway...kid can break down the D and glad to see Purdue offered. compliments of old boiler

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Have you never seen The Shammgod? That's the move he did. Named after God Shammgod who pulled it off during the NCAA tournament while at Providence. But Dejan Bodiroga's version is what made it popular, his was called El Latigo (The Whip).
Russell Westbrook did the move a few times this season.

 

[rjmpu82]

Talented but my guess is he would drive Painter nuts. Hard to tell though form just a short video. Tony Jones is my all time favorite Purdue PG followed closely by LewJack.

 

[GS Thomas]

There are some aspects to this offer that interest me. One is that he is from Canada ...which indicates MP is casting a wide net (even if Lusk is the instigator on some). Two, he is a bit on the "wild" side as a player, something MP has seemed to avoid in the past. Three, his major attribute is that he can break-down the D, something we have tended to take outside shooters over in the past. I like what this indicates.

If Lusk is still sending recruits our way....that's awesome.

 

[paintball1979]

There are some aspects to this offer that interest me. One is that he is from Canada ...which indicates MP is casting a wide net (even if Lusk is the instigator on some). Two, he is a bit on the "wild" side as a player, something MP has seemed to avoid in the past. Three, his major attribute is that he can break-down the D, something we have tended to take outside shooters over in the past. I like what this indicates.

I think it's because Versyp gave him directions to Canada.

 

[BretRobert1]

Not sure of his height, but can play at the rim. Seems to have good quickness and ball handling. Likes to showboat. Around 1 minute or so you can see what "almost" appeared to be a Maravich move, but he did it different. Teh ball is in his right hand and instead of crossing over...he actually takes his left hand to the ball and pulls it back to his left side...very unorthodox and not a good habit. Tehn around 1:30 or so he places the ball behind his back not away from the D, but in front of the D. Kid is talented, but has some fundamental issues. Anyway...kid can break down the D and glad to see Purdue offered. compliments of old boiler

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LIke a lot of your posts,, but IMO it's hard to say the kid's a showboat when watching a few minutes of a highlight film. Especially when he plays the 1.

Also, noticed someone else posted it, but the move where you crossover with your opposite hand is referred to as the Shammgod crossover, made popular by Shammgod Wells aka God Shammgod. This move has been around for ages and was shown in Bluechips, even. Kyrie Irving is one of the best at it. Russ Westbrook, too.

The Maravich crossover is a standard crossover where you cross the ball over first and then make a quick jab after, unlike a standard cross where you make a jab and then cross the ball over.

 

[tjreese]

Have you never seen The Shammgod? That's the move he did. Named after God Shammgod who pulled it off during the NCAA tournament while at Providence. But Dejan Bodiroga's version is what made it popular, his was called El Latigo (The Whip).

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Russell Westbrook did the move a few times this season.

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Great catch...no I didn't know that. I never watch the NBA. I watched when I could in the 60s...watched in the 70s adn 80s adn early 90s and that was it. I don't like the move and here is why. First, a person can be missing some fundamentals and still be good or effective, but I often wonder what if that person with his talent was a bit more fundamental...how good would he be. When you teach a reverse dribble or some might associate this with a spin dribble to a youngster (and you see players in college not fundamental in this as well), probably the single biggest mistake a player makes is NOT keeping the hand that is already on the ball on the ball and to PULL it as you plant, reverse pivot and keep the ball tight to the body as you swing your leg and pull the ball. Some players switch hands too early and do NOT pull it with the hand already on the ball...and this is much slower. Consequently there is no way I can see the move being as quick as a crossover dribble started with the hand that already is on the ball and crossing over. Reaching across your body seems much slower and executed higher than a normal crossover. That said, if the defense is lunging I can see the unorthodox making it look like you were about to lose it and not, but that is more on teh D than the O.

Let me add to this on layups. A rt handed layup dribbling on the right side...some players want to take the ball before shooting to the left side or D side instead of taking the left hand to the ball and keeping the ball away from the D...I see a bit of that move similar to this mistake.

None of this means he can't be effective, but that particular move I can't rationalize in my mind "why" it would be better than a crossover, through the legs, behind the back as a means of chaning direction. Still, the most unorthodox ball handler that was teh best passer I've seen and had a few unorthodox moves he used was the pistol and he was effective. As an aside many times if I'm around a younger person in their 20s or 30s I watch how they hold a pencil. Many have no idea and certainly some have much less fatigue than others, but some teachers quit teaching that...and yet they can still write for some duration...

Still of all the video..."WHO" turns his back on the D and dribbles behind his back like he did? First of all, even without the dribble...do you want a pg to turn his back to the goal unless in huge trouble? All that said, I find him an interesting PG that could be pretty darn good...

 

[tjreese]

LIke a lot of your posts,, but IMO it's hard to say the kid's a showboat when watching a few minutes of a highlight film. Especially when he plays the 1.

Also, noticed someone else posted it, but the move where you crossover with your opposite hand is referred to as the Shammgod crossover, made popular by Shammgod Wells aka God Shammgod. This move has been around for ages and was shown in Bluechips, even. Kyrie Irving is one of the best at it. Russ Westbrook, too.

The Maravich crossover is a standard crossover where you cross the ball over first and then make a quick jab after, unlike a standard cross where you make a jab and then cross the ball over.

read what I just wrote on why I don't like it...just my opinion. when I first saw it I wasn't thinking of Petes crossover, but quickly thought it was Pete's fanning move. Anyway, my biggest concern was turning your back on the goal and then dribbling behind your back and placing the ball in front of the D..a good defender would have had that or his A$$ should have been chewed out for not getting it. That was my biggest concern...absolutely no reason to do that. The move I just can't rationalize "WHY" it would be effecive other than poor D, but perhaps someone can explain why. In my other post I mentioned what I compared it to...and none of that is to suggest he couldn't be effective...I just can't rationalize why it would be the most effective...

 

[BretRobert1]

read what I just wrote on why I don't like it...just my opinion. when I first saw it I wasn't thinking of Petes crossover, but quickly thought it was Pete's fanning move. Anyway, my biggest concern was turning your back on the goal and then dribbling behind your back and placing the ball in front of the D..a good defender would have had that or his A$$ should have been chewed out for not getting it. That was my biggest concern...absolutely no reason to do that. The move I just can't rationalize "WHY" it would be effecive other than poor D, but perhaps someone can explain why. In my other post I mentioned what I compared it to...and none of that is to suggest he couldn't be effective...I just can't rationalize why it would be the most effective...

Responding to your first response to the other poster. Use it as a tool. Just gotta be able to read the defender. Often, it's most effective when there's a switch and you have a big guarding you that sags off so much that you're not able to cross the big over w/ a quick jab b/c of the distance given. But when a defender is giving you a ton of space it can be a nice move as shown below.

Fast forward to 1:15 below:


This whole video shows how effective the move is on sagging bigs.


100% agree w/ you that fundamentals are most important in hoops. But another trait that teams that make deep runs typically have along w/ solid fundamentals are a player or players that can create their own shot at any time, especially down the stretch - late in a game.

 

[Do Dah Day]

If Lusk is still sending recruits our way....that's awesome.

I should not have three fingers of the good stuff early in the day.

 

[Wolegib]

There is yet another PG Lultz is recruiting. 3* Jamal Bieniemy from Texas. For all the praise people are giving Lultz for recruiting all these players,, I'd prefer he started concentrating on 1-2 players per position and actually get a commitment.

 

[Dakota Girl]

Have you never seen The Shammgod? That's the move he did. Named after God Shammgod who pulled it off during the NCAA tournament while at Providence. But Dejan Bodiroga's version is what made it popular, his was called El Latigo (The Whip).

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Russell Westbrook did the move a few times this season.

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Nice! Requires the defender to turn his hips but I bet it happens a lot because it doesn't look like a crossover set up.

 

[tjreese]

Responding to your first response to the other poster. Use it as a tool. Just gotta be able to read the defender. Often, it's most effective when there's a switch and you have a big guarding you that sags off so much that you're not able to cross the big over w/ a quick jab b/c of the distance given. But when a defender is giving you a ton of space it can be a nice move as shown below.

Fast forward to 1:15 below:

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This whole video shows how effective the move is on sagging bigs.

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100% agree w/ you that fundamentals are most important in hoops. But another trait that teams that make deep runs typically have along w/ solid fundamentals are a player or players that can create their own shot at any time, especially down the stretch - late in a game.

Again, here is what I can't understand that apparently some others don't have an issue. Let's say the ball is in the right hand of the offensive player. The defender has that ball right in front of him in the middle of his body if applying "some" pressure. Now the offensive player takes his hands off the ball, reaches across his body with another hand and pulls the ball across his body to the other side while the defender already had the ball in front of him and had a gap in the dribbling cadence that was a bit slower. Why that move would be more effective I struggle with.

Now is the effectiveness of that move due to poor D or that the calls today do not allow players to get into players as much? I say this not trying to say he can't be effective doing this, but trying to understand "IF" that is a dribble that should be taught...should a coach have a desire. It would be interesting if basketball clinics actually teach that move.

Now in fairness and not 100% comparible there was a time that "skip" passes were a no no...

 

[bonefish1]

I like my PGs to have a little showboating in them. Nothing wrong with that at all. If they can break down the deal and look cool doing it, then roll with it.

 

[GemstateBoiler]

Again, here is what I can't understand that apparently some others don't have an issue. Let's say the ball is in the right hand of the offensive player. The defender has that ball right in front of him in the middle of his body if applying "some" pressure. Now the offensive player takes his hands off the ball, reaches across his body with another hand and pulls the ball across his body to the other side while the defender already had the ball in front of him and had a gap in the dribbling cadence that was a bit slower. Why that move would be more effective I struggle with.

This reminds me of that Hokey-Pokey song.
That's what it's all about.[/QUOTE]

 

[tjreese]

I like my PGs to have a little showboating in them. Nothing wrong with that at all. If they can break down the deal and look cool doing it, then roll with it.

Okay, some people keep a tighter rein on them. As long as they do what you want. Did you give your players more freedom ? As I've stated my biggest problem was turning his back on the goal and dribbling behind his back which was in front of the D. Like I said...would take him, but would not be compatible with that and can't think of a reason to do that...too much old school for me. ☺

 

[Dryfly88]

As long as a kid can handle the ball (which he can) he can be taught how/when to use his moves properly. I don't know how many of you attend AAU events, but this isn't unusual. Lots of guards "showcase" their ball handling skills. I didn't see anything I haven't seen before.

 

[Dakota Girl]

Again, here is what I can't understand that apparently some others don't have an issue. Let's say the ball is in the right hand of the offensive player. The defender has that ball right in front of him in the middle of his body if applying "some" pressure. Now the offensive player takes his hands off the ball, reaches across his body with another hand and pulls the ball across his body to the other side while the defender already had the ball in front of him and had a gap in the dribbling cadence that was a bit slower. Why that move would be more effective I struggle with.

Now is the effectiveness of that move due to poor D or that the calls today do not allow players to get into players as much? I say this not trying to say he can't be effective doing this, but trying to understand "IF" that is a dribble that should be taught...should a coach have a desire. It would be interesting if basketball clinics actually teach that move.

Now in fairness and not 100% comparible there was a time that "skip" passes were a no no...

Your concern is valid. If attempted with the defender squared up it's a steal. But notice what happens if the dribbler is starting a drive and that action gets the defender to turn his hips (open his stance). Not sure I love it but if he can get the D to commit to that direction it works for the same reason a crossover works.
Not sure it will work on a quick, move your feet properly type of defender.
Regardless, the kid can handle the ball.

 

[tjreese]

Your concern is valid. If attempted with the defender squared up it's a steal. But notice what happens if the dribbler is starting a drive and that action gets the defender to turn his hips (open his stance). Not sure I love it but if he can get the D to commit to that direction it works for the same reason a crossover works.
Not sure it will work on a quick, move your feet properly type of defender.
Regardless, the kid can handle the ball.

yes, the kid can handle the ball and his potential to get to teh rim and pull up make him physically atttractive. Like I said, "IF" he appears to fit into the winning culture I would like to see him at Purdue