I remembered something else odd about your post: the citation of Louisville's program. IIRC, over on Peeg's Pitino is usually referred to as "Slick Rick" , a sobriquet that is not meant to be flattering in its use. Nor is the Louisville held in high esteem for probity and morality by your colleagues. So you CITING him as your exculpatory example is also somewhat illuminating.
And the Creaning continues....
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I remembered something else odd about your post: the citation of Louisville's program. IIRC, over on Peeg's Pitino is usually referred to as "Slick Rick" , a sobriquet that is not meant to be flattering in its use. Nor is the Louisville held in high esteem for probity and morality by your colleagues. So you CITING him as your exculpatory example is also somewhat illuminating.
SNU, Here's the real deal....Glass had to do something as the word was spreading about the "Creaning" and IU was losing recruits. The guaranteed scholarship isn't for the players, because most of them want to see playing time. It's for the parents who have to foot the bills when their kid realizes he's been lied to and moves on.
IIRC, most kids move on to different programs and their parents still don't have to pay. Either way, I still think over signing should be made illegal.
Twin... What recruit did IU lose? I've read this a few times, yet no specific names. Crean's an idiot, but his roster management issue is not affecting his recruiting. In fact, it's part of the times (1800 transfer in the past 3 years) & he is smart enough to take advantage of the rules. Just like UK takes adv of the one & done rule, and those who complain are just jealous. The NCAA will eventually crack down on these issues. Until then, if I'm making millions to win ball games, I'm taking adv of the rule. Who wouldn't if you're job is based on winning?
LOL. You guys are great comedy. If you would end all of your posts with DWS or JK, no one would realize that you are naturals if they ever make another sequel to Dumb and Dumber.
Sweet rebuttal. I see nothing about your posts has changed in the year or so since I last posted. All that's missing is a trailer park reference.
And I see nothing different about your mindless justifications of treating kids and their families badly.
Sorry if the trailer park reference bothered you. It's in your control, though. Get a job and improve your situation. In your words, "When are you going to figure this out?"
Wait...Who treats kids and their families badly? I don't recall seeing anything close to that in any type of publication. I'm sure you've got something you can share that backs up your stance other than pure speculation.
I am shocked! Shocked that there is gambling going on.... wait... no I am shocked that a thread on Creaning has gone downhill so fast, shocked!
Kepp your sense of humor gentlemen, please. Creaning should be a serious issue on the Peegs Free Board, and it is. They debate it regularly, and with some passion. On this board, it requires only passing interest and an amused smile or two.
Please Snuie. Even you aren't that dense.I know that you have no thoughts of your own -- they all come from publications -- but even you will remember reading how parents were impressed by a coach's sales pitch when he had dinner with the family, then sat in their living room promising an excellent educations and degree from his university for their son, if he joins the team. Think, man. Think.
I am shocked! Shocked that there is gambling going on.... wait... no I am shocked that a thread on Creaning has gone downhill so fast, shocked!
Kepp your sense of humor gentlemen, please. Creaning should be a serious issue on the Peegs Free Board, and it is. They debate it regularly, and with some passion. On this board, it requires only passing interest and an amused smile or two.
Good point, Mathboy. I saw your post after responding to Snuie. I guess I just don't suffer fools -- or unscrupulous people -- well.
Then I'll assume the same about Painter then with all of his departures as well, huh?
Snuie, Snuie, Snuie. And again, iu fans are challenged when it comes to math. Many have pointed this out to you, but you close your eyes, stick your fingers in your ears, and yell, "Lalalalalalala!" Name the Purdue player that was booted following an oversign.
And again you have no clue. You don't know if the kid was "booted" or if he chose to leave. If you do, please feel free to post a link.
Look, go read the back and forth with me and Arcb. I don't like the oversign. I think it should be illegal. I think a coach should be held responsible for their own recruiting/developing of players. If a kid doesn't pan out, well, some of the blame goes on the coach and some on the player but the bottom line is the coach can identify recruits better or not sign them. My point with this whole things is that you all are quick to assume kids are "booted" when that may not be the case. It was very clear during the season that Stan was leaving due to playing time. Why is it so hard to believe that the same thing couldn't happen for April? I'm not saying this is the case, but it's certainly a possibility. "He would like an increased role and we are not able to ensure him this would happen. Our hope is that he will reach his potential wherever he chooses to go." This is from the Star. Sure doesn't sound like he was "booted." Sounds like to me he was looking for increased playing time. Is it so hard to believe that a coach could be honest with a player and let them know that they're not going to get any playing time and if they want to contribute, they need to look elsewhere? Not really...
All I'm saying is you have zero clue what takes place between players and coaches prior to a kid transferring. We don't know what
Exactly, put up or shut up. Again, no Purdue fans are using Fischer as an example because he clearly left on his own. Just like Johnson, Scott, Bade, etc did at Purdue. The situations are not even close to analogous.
I would guess you are right although I'm not sure on Hoetzel but I'll take your word for it. The problem you refuse to acknowledge is that Crean continues to set it up so that some kid must leave to open a spot for kids where there is none. And there is ample evidence that several of the kids who left were cut like Capo and the kid who went to Syracuse.
I completely acknowledge that Crean puts himself in that situation. All I'm saying is that the coach as a pretty good feel for who may leave and who may not. Now there may be instances like Fischer when he left mid year, but for the most part, I would say the staff knows who is a potential transfer. I would bet they have a clue who would be thinking about leaving and the end of year meetings with coaches probably just ensures it one way or another. Point is, those happen early after the season ends. In a situation like this year, Bryant didn't sign until recently. We were told the transfer was known for a good while and even prior to Bryant signing. So the staff probably knew they had a spot for Bryant. On the flip side, they would have had to kick someone if nobody wanted to leave. But we don't know what really happened, and THAT'S the main point.
Hoetzel is a west coast kid. Said he wanted to be closer to home. I actually wish he would have stayed.
And the Star has published other quotes from players who, at the end of the season, said they were excited to get back in the gym and get ready for the next season. This was only days before it was announced that they were transferring following an oversign. Remember Capobianco? And you are saying that no one knows what goes on behind closed doors, then you tell us YOU know that Fischer, Hoetzel, and Robinson all transferred willingly. Really?
I'm only seeing sad attempts to justify unethical behavior towards kids and their families. Part of this justification is "no one really knows what was said" and the other part is the old, "but everyone does it" ploy, dating back to the Sampson days.
I do remember Capo and I said Roth is another example. Beyond that, there haven't been anything else in the papers like those two. So for the rest of the 1,000 transfers we've had we don't know.
I don't know what happened with any of the rest of the players who transferred. Fair enough. But NEITHER DO YOU. Yet you and a few others constantly claim that people were "booted" while failing to admit that might not actually be how things went down. All you have to do is admit you don't know what happened. Say it's a possibility nothing happened the way you believe it did. Acting like you know each and every one of these kids was shown the door is foolish. That's all I'm seeing from you.
And again, I'm not justifying anything. I've said I don't like the oversigning. I think it should be done away with. Look at Pitino in 2013. He told Swopshire to transfer and asked Van Treese to leave because they brought in Harrell. I thought one ended up paying his own way. It sucks, but that's the rules. I don't like them and think they should be changed, but Crean isn't the only participating in this. He seems like he does it more than others, but he's not alone.
I am shocked! Shocked that there is gambling going on.... wait... no I am shocked that a thread on Creaning has gone downhill so fast, shocked!
Kepp your sense of humor gentlemen, please. Creaning should be a serious issue on the Peegs Free Board, and it is. They debate it regularly, and with some passion. On this board, it requires only passing interest and an amused smile or two.
No worries mathboy, I always find his posts amusing. I'd just like to see some originality from time to time. The repetitiveness makes the trash talk boring!
Snu, many of us learn from history, which tends to repeat itself. If a pattern did not exist prior to this, then the benefit of the doubt goes to the coach. That is not the case here. You are correct, we do not know each specific player and what occurred. But we assess the body of evidence in total and draw a VERY reasonable conclusion.
It appears you, on the other hand, prefer to taste the dogs*** - in order to be absolutely certain - rather than just believe the smell you learned from past experience when stepping in it.
Alas, the whole process doesnt feel good regardless of the school or coach. I'll quit dwelling on it as my drivel is getting old (even for myself)!
It appears you, on the other hand, prefer to taste the dogs*** - in order to be absolutely certain - rather than just believe the smell you learned from past experience when stepping in it.
Alas, the whole process doesnt feel good regardless of the school or coach. I'll quit dwelling on it as my drivel is getting old (even for myself)!
We know this: Crean oversigns (far more than any coach in the B1G). By rule he has to be down to 13 scholarship players. He understands the math well enough, and he knows how to make it happen. This isn't a court of law, but it doesn't take much imagination to understand what is going on. A recent article in the Star mentioned that it was time for crean to make room for oversignes, and there may be more coming. Many in the hoosier fanbase understand what is going on. They don't need a trial by jury.
And to continue to claim that everyone does it is a poor defense, counselor. It is also an acknowledgement of guilt.
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