According to the President, BOT, and AD, we are idiots, and THEY are totally committed to football.

[TC4THREE]

It's a cause of the problem. With worse facilities than our recruiting competitors, we lose out on good players. Then, when you mix that with bad coaching you get a bad team.

I think the coaching is the problem. Our facilities don't help recruiting but I think the talent we'd draw with elite facilities combined with this coaching staff is only marginally better and I don't think this staff would be able to do much more with it than they have done with what they've had. The improved facilities will be nice whenever we start improving and winning some games again. Until then, we need a staff that will take what we have and at least go beat the Marshall's and Bowling Green's of the world with it. When we start beating the teams that we do have better talent than, I'll start worrying about insufficient talent. Until then, I'm concerned about the coaching.

 

[SIBoiler2]

The way I see it, these clowns have one shot to fix the mess that has been created over several years of their own collective poor choices. If they screw it up this time Purdue FB will never be relevant again and may as well be in the MAC.

 

[indianphil]

Last three years of Tiller, then Hope and now Hazel! In another context, I would call that lack of institutional control! Death penalty stuff! However, Burke is commiting a study on it to look into it to be completed sometime next year for the purpose of verifying stupidity. So very sad!

 

[TC4THREE]

Last three years of Tiller, then Hope and now Hazel! In another context, I would call that lack of institutional control! Death penalty stuff! However, Burke is commiting a study on it to look into it to be completed sometime next year for the purpose of verifying stupidity. So very sad!

All I can say is that there is a huge difference between the Hazell years and the Tiller/Hope years.

 

[BBG]

All I can say is that there is a huge difference between the Hazell years and the Tiller/Hope years.

I'd take Hope back right now.

 

[boiler2288]

Me too!...... but who will deliver my 3-meat Dominos pies from now on?

 

[TC4THREE]

Me too!...... but who will deliver my 3-meat Dominos pies from now on?

He actually did a very good job as co-OC at USF last season but left that position to be back in Kentucky with his family from the sounds of it. The USF coach had nothing but good things to say about him here.

http://www.tbo.com/sports/colleges/...ope-leaves-staff-for-family-reasons-20160211/

 

[RegionWarrior101]

Hammer and Rails had a piece today on how Hazell will get ANOTHER year due to this bad contract. 100% guaranteed money. Gotta find me work like that...

http://www.hammerandrails.com/2016/4/19/11459090/what-is-darrell-hazell-buyout

 

[Summy1]

Hammer and Rails had a piece today on how Hazell will get ANOTHER year due to this bad contract. 100% guaranteed money. Gotta find me work like that...

http://www.hammerandrails.com/2016/4/19/11459090/what-is-darrell-hazell-buyout

This is probably true, very very sad, but true. Let's just hope they hurry and find a new A.D. soon.

 

[RegionWarrior101]

This is probably true, very very sad, but true. Let's just hope they hurry and find a new A.D. soon.

And let's be careful with guaranteed money next time... Unless it is Bill Belichick, Gruden, Saban, etc., make the buyout 70% or 60%.

 

[BoilerBF]

And let's be careful with guaranteed money next time... Unless it is Bill Belichick, Gruden, Saban, etc., make the buyout 70% or 60%.

Good luck finding a coach. Not going to attract much interest if you make it easy to fire that person after 3 years.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Good luck finding a coach. Not going to attract much interest if you make it easy to fire that person after 3 years.

And also good luck finding a new A.D. if you tell them in the interview that he is stuck with "Hard Look Hazell" for two more years.

 

[BoilerBF]

And also good luck finding a new A.D. if you tell them in the interview that he is stuck with "Hard Look Hazell" for two more years.

New AD isn't going to be stuck with Hazell for two more years. Has to win this year...and everybody....except a few clueless bloggers knows that.

The world of buyouts has changed. We aren't going to have a low buyout for the next coach.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

New AD isn't going to be stuck with Hazell for two more years. Has to win this year...and everybody....except a few clueless bloggers knows that.

The world of buyouts has changed. We aren't going to have a low buyout for the next coach.

I agree with you, but our opinions and $7 will get you a souvenir Fred Akers Coke cup.

$2.25 million will seem like chump change compared to the financial bloodbath we will see this fall.

 

[TC4THREE]

Good luck finding a coach. Not going to attract much interest if you make it easy to fire that person after 3 years.

Burke should have had a better read on the situation and not got rid of Hope until he had someone good in mind that he could get to take the job. Not an easy task but that's what he's paid to do. It's like I've been saying, even though Hazell is a disaster I think the right time to get rid of him will be when they have a good replacement lined up. If that's after next season, fine. If they get to next year and look around and don't see any viable candidates (at a place like Purdue, I'm not sure you'll find great candidates every year) , keep him another year. Don't fire someone and then force yourself to commit six years on an iffy candidate who wasn't one of your top choices at the beginning of the process.

 

[BoilerBF]

Burke should have had a better read on the situation and not got rid of Hope until he had someone good in mind that he could get to take the job. Not an easy task but that's what he's paid to do. It's like I've been saying, even though Hazell is a disaster I think the right time to get rid of him will be when they have a good replacement lined up. If that's after next season, fine. If they get to next year and look around and don't see any viable candidates (at a place like Purdue, I'm not sure you'll find great candidates every year) , keep him another year. Don't fire someone and then force yourself to commit six years on an iffy candidate who wasn't one of your top choices at the beginning of the process.

Unfortunately unless their name is Urban or Harbaugh.....you don't really know ahead of time.

Kirk Ferentz had a very mediocre resume when hired...Pat Fitzgerald had one of most paper thin resumes in modern era of big ten. Dick Rod and John L. Smith had good resumes when hired.

Hazell was more popular hire among fanbase....than Joe Tiller (at the time of each hire).

A bit of a crap shoot.

 

[TC4THREE]

Unfortunately unless their name is Urban or Harbaugh.....you don't really know ahead of time.

Kirk Ferentz had a very mediocre resume when hired...Pat Fitzgerald had one of most paper thin resumes in modern era of big ten. Dick Rod and John L. Smith had good resumes when hired.

Hazell was more popular hire among fanbase....than Joe Tiller (at the time of each hire).

A bit of a crap shoot.

Hazell was popular because people spent years telling anyone who would listen how much Danny Hope sucked and how much better any other coach would be. I was never thrilled with the Hazell pick but you always try to give new coaches a chance and get behind them and hope for the best. I think that's what most people were doing because he was a talker who said the right things unlike our last coach who was a big rough around the edges. Unfortunately, games matter and winning matters. It didn't take more than a couple of games for me to have huge doubts about Hazell. Others spent longer amounts of time because they had done so much talking during the regime change and had backed themselves into a corner where everything for the first couple of years had to be pinned entirely on Hope.

As far as the coaching hire being a crap shoot, it certainly is. There's no set formula for what makes a good coach or what will make a good football coach at Purdue. But Burke makes good money to figure that out. It's a multi-million dollar decision and one of the most important calls any athletic director will make. I am comfortable labeling this last hire as a huge failure at this point. I know it. You know it. I think even Burke knows it. He just can't afford to say it or fix it right now so he will put lipstick on the pig as long as he can and try to sell us as many tickets as possible by publicly lining up behind Hazell. That's really what this whole facilities thing is about. They aren't doing it do demonstrate commitment to winning but the administration is using it to publicly deflect blame from Hazell in an attempt to hang on to whatever season ticket sales they can. It's probably the right thing to do on their part but as a fan you'd have to be blind not to see what's going on.

 

[Bigohh]

I agree with a lot of your thoughts on Mitch's handling of education as governor, (along with his buddy Tony Bennett) but to say Indiana's economy is "in the tank" is inaccurate. Drive west an hour or so, and you will find a state with a sucky economy.

And a state where giving away the best retirement benefit package in the country is bankrupting the state. There are some other problems as well but teacher benefits as well as other public employee benefits has put the state in terrible shape.

 

[boiler2288]

I agree with you, but our opinions and $7 will get you a souvenir Fred Akers Coke cup.

$2.25 million will seem like chump change compared to the financial bloodbath we will see this fall.

In 1990 Fred Akers buyout was $ 500K which at the time seemed like an enormous sum-I heard he used most of it to buy addl acreage on a ranch outside Austin, TX back then. He sold it for over $ 1,000,000 last year.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

I would like to vote against Pence because I think his ultra-conservative stance on social issues is bad for the state. That said, I'm more against the teacher's union in Indiana than anything so if they want Pence out then I will more than likely vote for him just for that reason.

Could I ask for your reasoning behind against the teacher's union in Indiana? Curious as that is odd to be against a single union rather than all unions as they all represent pretty much the same thing across the board.

 

[TC4THREE]

Could I ask for your reasoning behind against the teacher's union in Indiana? Curious as that is odd to be against a single union rather than all unions as they all represent pretty much the same thing across the board.

Mostly just because it's so large that I hear more whining from their members than any other.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

And a state where giving away the best retirement benefit package in the country is bankrupting the state. There are some other problems as well but teacher benefits as well as other public employee benefits has put the state in terrible shape.

So I am guessing that 'giving away' the best retirement benefit package in the country would mean Indiana wouldn't be having a massive teacher shortage right now. And I would hope I wouldn't have to define what 'giving away' means because that entails getting it for free, when in fact that isn't the case. Having a Purdue degree (more than likely), I would hope you would be smarter than that.

As someone else already pointed out, there are bigger problems in this state that the ISTA and teacher salaries/benefits. A recent study done by Education Week Study Center places Indiana as #28 overall in education with an overall grade of C-. They do not place Hawaii or D.C. as they are single districts, which more than likely would slide us down one or even two more spots. The major issue with education in our state is the funding being given to private charter schools that are so clearly failing that it is becoming more obvious those charter schools are being used as dumping grounds for paybacks and filtering money in some way. How Daniels and former State Superintendent Tony Bennet weren't taken behind a woodshed for the emails that got out about falsifying grades and funneling money to destroy the public education sector in Indiana was a joke.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Mostly just because it's so large that I hear more whining from their members than any other.

Fair enough and I can respect that opinion. You are hearing that whining because of the incredibly horrendous job many in the legislature and the governor have done to remove the State Superintendent from her publicly elected job and attempting to place public education as a scapegoat for the problems they are trying to solve that either aren't there or weren't there to begin with.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

So I am guessing that 'giving away' the best retirement benefit package in the country would mean Indiana wouldn't be having a massive teacher shortage right now. And I would hope I wouldn't have to define what 'giving away' means because that entails getting it for free, when in fact that isn't the case. Having a Purdue degree (more than likely), I would hope you would be smarter than that.

As someone else already pointed out, there are bigger problems in this state that the ISTA and teacher salaries/benefits. A recent study done by Education Week Study Center places Indiana as #28 overall in education with an overall grade of C-. They do not place Hawaii or D.C. as they are single districts, which more than likely would slide us down one or even two more spots. The major issue with education in our state is the funding being given to private charter schools that are so clearly failing that it is becoming more obvious those charter schools are being used as dumping grounds for paybacks and filtering money in some way. How Daniels and former State Superintendent Tony Bennet weren't taken behind a woodshed for the emails that got out about falsifying grades and funneling money to destroy the public education sector in Indiana was a joke.

I think he was referring to Illinois.

 

[TC4THREE]

Fair enough and I can respect that opinion. You are hearing that whining because of the incredibly horrendous job many in the legislature and the governor have done to remove the State Superintendent from her publicly elected job and attempting to place public education as a scapegoat for the problems they are trying to solve that either aren't there or weren't there to begin with.

It's the same old song and dance every election. The teachers want more money and cry about how there isn't enough money to do their jobs. However, when they get more money they still don't want to have any kind of measurable standards to be held to because they say that they can't teach the kids if they don't get parental involvement.

That's the problem. I agree that the biggest issue in any child's education is involvement from their parents. You can throw all the money you want at more teachers or better teachers or better schools or whatever but too many kids are being raised by parents who don't place much importance on education and there isn't a damn thing that teachers or money can do to change that. So if teachers don't want to be held accountable for test scores because so much of that is out of their control, I get that. But at the same time don't come crying for more money in the schools every year because pouring it into some of these kids is as effective as lighting that money on fire and watching it burn. It's sad and nobody wants to hear that any kid might be a lost cause when it comes to education but that seems to be where I see all the signs pointing. It starts at home.

 

[Bigohh]

Could I ask for your reasoning behind against the teacher's union in Indiana? Curious as that is odd to be against a single union rather than all unions as they all represent pretty much the same thing across the board.

My problem with any public employee union is they have no skin in the game. A union in a private enterprise has the risk of putting the company they work for out of business if they get carried away with their demands. In the public sector they know that the school system or other governmental service will always be there so they don't have any risk. Illinois is a great example of public employee unions breaking the bank and still not able to realize wtf is going on.

 

[Redhotfill]

I think the coaching is the problem. Our facilities don't help recruiting but I think the talent we'd draw with elite facilities combined with this coaching staff is only marginally better and I don't think this staff would be able to do much more with it than they have done with what they've had. The improved facilities will be nice whenever we start improving and winning some games again. Until then, we need a staff that will take what we have and at least go beat the Marshall's and Bowling Green's of the world with it. When we start beating the teams that we do have better talent than, I'll start worrying about insufficient talent. Until then, I'm concerned about the coaching.

If we were winning 8+ games a year recruits wouldn't give AF about facilities. Kids want to go someplace where they can WIN, IMPROVE THEIR SKILLS, and BE SCOUTED for the pros. Everything else is gravy.

 

[lbodel]

Hammer and Rails had a piece today on how Hazell will get ANOTHER year due to this bad contract. 100% guaranteed money. Gotta find me work like that...

http://www.hammerandrails.com/2016/4/19/11459090/what-is-darrell-hazell-buyout

Let's be clear on something - Hammer & Rails is NOT anything more than a fan blog. This is not a conclusion based on anything more than an opinion of someone who is not well-connected. So I wouldn't read into it that much.

 

[nat100]

Hammer and Rails had a piece today on how Hazell will get ANOTHER year due to this bad contract. 100% guaranteed money. Gotta find me work like that...

http://www.hammerandrails.com/2016/4/19/11459090/what-is-darrell-hazell-buyout

Good lord. Why would you take his word/analysis on anything?

 

[RegionWarrior101]

Good lord. Why would you take his word/analysis on anything?

I have so little trust in this operation, it actually makes sense.

 

[Mobes]

Unfortunately unless their name is Urban or Harbaugh.....you don't really know ahead of time.

Kirk Ferentz had a very mediocre resume when hired...Pat Fitzgerald had one of most paper thin resumes in modern era of big ten. Dick Rod and John L. Smith had good resumes when hired.

Hazell was more popular hire among fanbase....than Joe Tiller (at the time of each hire).

A bit of a crap shoot.

Keep in mind that for Fitzgerald he was a College Football Hall of Fame linebacker there. Great hire, he understands Northwestern University and its football program.

 

[Like_a_Boss]

I sat near Burke one time at a game, he was in his box with his head in his hands for most of the game. He doesn't seem to bad to sit next to, as I think he just moaned softly most of the time.

The BOT is out of touch with the fan. MB is over his head, and DH is lost.

I do like Mitch though.

Still appreciate the academic prestige my degree from Purdue holds though. At least MB and DH can't destroy that.