according to 247 sports , our class now is .....
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And that's with our highest ranked recruit Nate Johnson included, who is visiting Vandy this weekend, visited Tennesee last weekend. and just got an offer from the U.
More affirmation that everything is moving in the right direction...100% so...just ask Coach Hazell...all part of the master plan.
You obviously don't understand, since you're on "the outside looking in".
GIve it time to play out...once Johnson decommits, it will fall more, and it is hard to believe that he will be the last to decommit...when all is said and done, it may be more in line with what you anticipate.
We have been so bad for so many years now that most recruits high school age did not know or see the Brees and Orton years. They were too young.
Until we can show we are heading in the right direction, which we aren't right now, most recruits do not want to be part of a major rebuilding. I can't say that I blame them.
Being part of a rebuild is actually a decent selling point - but you also have to have a vision to sell (which we have not under Hazell). Playing in the Big Ten is a big deal - but if you don't focus on the midwest for recruiting, it's a moot point. The number of kids we have on our roster from Indiana and the surrounding states is just not acceptable - and hasn't been since Tiller left. Purdue is not going to go out and recruit strongly nationally.
You nailed it. Article up this morning saying he decommitted last night.
DH may struggle to fill out this class with any respectable players without a couple more wins (or something else to hang his hat on, whatever that might be).
This is where someone needs to chime in with a list of all of the 1 star recruits who made it to the NFL to make us feel better.
Or yet another recap of Tillers miraculous 1997 class.
The good news is, we will only lose the commits that have other P5 offers, of which we only have like 2 remaining.
This is just another reason why waiting to fire Hazell is a giant mistake. We have a tiny recruiting class this year and can't even fill it with respectable recruits - 3 years into Hazell's time at Purdue! If you haven't established remotely any recruiting success 3 years in, you just aren't going to.
It's one thing to give 3 years to see some success on the field, but recruiting is an absolute precursor to that improvement. It's only getting worse at this point.
Another reason to do a coaching change this season is because it is a small class. That puts less pressure on a new hire. And next year's class will be a large class - and if Hazell is coach this year, you know how that class will look. If we did a coaching change now, it will give a new coach an entire year to recruit for a good size class.
Partially true. Being part of a rebuild is BS. Good coaches with a plan and track record is real important. Opportunity for playing time, good facilities, conference and exposure for next level. If opportunity for rebuild was great tool, IU being the tools they are would have been out of their the basement a looong time before they were.
If IU was in the West, they would probably be at 6 or 7 wins right now as I'm confident they could beat Nebraska, Illinois, and Minnesota right now. They will also more than likely beat Purdue. That puts them at 4-4 in the conference and with 8 wins this season. They really got the short end of the stick in terms of divisions and trying to build a program. With MSU, UM, OSU, and PSU in their division, it makes it hard. However, if you can make positive steps to get ahead of Maryland and Rutgers, that gives you a solid base to then hopefully pull an upset against one of the big 4 in the East division and then hopefully grab a win in the cross-division games (remember the B1G goes to 9 conference games soon). If IU is patient with Wilson and gives him some money to go grab a top notch DC, they could easily be a 6-8 win team year in and out.
I'm not so sure the D is good enough to beat teams like Minny or Illinois. We saw what Illinois could do to a bad D last week. While IU's offense is great, a lot of times they get stuck in shoot outs and aren't good enough to overcome teams scoring a ton of points on them.
You are 100% correct that if Purdue got placed in that division it would have been a death blow to the program, no doubt. IUs program was already dead though....so no big deal.
IU should have been a 6-8 win team the last 2 years and again this year. Wilson's teams have underachieved. I'm completely fine with them giving him all the time he wants.
Just focusing on your last paragraph... I think this position is pretty strong IF you (not you personally, but collective you's) have come to the correct conclusion that Hazell will NEVER be successful at Purdue and MUST be fired. I guess it's looking more like that than not, but if you're Purdue, you only make the decision to fire mid-season if you are 100% convinced it cannot and will not ever work with Hazell at the helm. In which case it's always best to make a quick decision (i.e. the sooner the rebuild can begin).
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According to what Morgan Burke fed us as fire-able offenses for Danny Hope, don't you think it is clear to see that Hazell doesn't even break ever with what Danny was doing?
Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't Danny Hope fired for poor recruiting, poor long term plans for the program, and poor results on the field and getting blown out?
1. Currently standing at #108 (247) and #94 (Rivals)
2. Long term standing of the program appears much more bleak than it did following the IU win in Hope's last football game.
3. Consistently blown out by teams that are much inferior to the ones that Hope was blown out by.
Not sure how, if you are a man of your words, how you can't fire Hazell based on the same criteria used for Hope.
Well technically, we don't know what Hazell's long term plan is, so maybe he's considered succeeding on that part.
But the other two points are a definite failure.
Your point about this year's class size is valid and one I don't recall being made. From a recruiting standpoint, now is better. I still think if we lose out, you can't bring him back.
Honestly, if we won 1 game vs. 0 games, is that really any different to you? Barring a 3-0 end of the season, I don't think anything would really "change" the feel of this program. We beat Ohio State under Hope…flukes aren't meaningful.
As much as I hate to say it, the win at Nebraska put some doubt in to the minds of whether to fire Hazell or not. The Huskers then beating MSU put even more doubt in to that decision, but the blowout to Illinois dampened that a bit. If Purdue gets blown out by Iowa (which I full expect because Iowa needs to have a statement game being #5 to stay there. They can't squeeze a win out by less than 10 points and look good in the eyes of the playoff committee. They need a win by 24+), Northwestern (they are also climbing the rankings with a strong win against Stanford...blow Purdue out and beat #25 Wisconsin and end with a win against Illinois, NU could finish the season at 10-2 and a top 10 ranking), and Indiana (IU could be 5-6 with the Bucket game potentially being win 6 and Wilson could be coaching for his job as a loss to Purdue this season may be cause to switch coaches in their eyes with the investment that they have put in to Wilson and the program).
If Purdue loses the last three games in that fashion, Purdue has no choice but to switch HC's. However, if Purdue can some how get 2 wins, I think Hazell deserves a 4th year but he needs to get the Ron Zook treatment (force him to fire OC, DC, and any other coach with a struggling group (WR's) and then allocate $1.4 million to hire a DC and OC (700k should be attractive enough to get a high quality group of candidates)
If we think our team is bad now...just wait until we see 10 or more transfers at seasons end. And if we've learned anything from the Hazell hire...it's that Jim Tressell's vote of confidence means squat.
wow, looking on rivals its #94, the nearest team in the Big 10 is IU at #85. Outside of them the next Big10 team is Illinois at #52! I mean there's alot of teams like Southern Miss, Texas St, Western Kentucky, ARMY!, San Diego St, Arkansas ST! ahead of Purdue. Let that sink in for a moment Those teams listed above, INCLUDING THE ARMY, have a better football recruiting class than Purdue. Army they have to go into the service and they havent been good for a decade if that. The talent on display soon could be a mid level MAC team if we're not careful here. Look who's outrecruiting us right now. And w/ how's its going how is it going to get better?
I don't necessarily disagree. But I expect the school to bring him back if we win 1 more game and have resigned myself to that fact.
I have resigned myself to Morgan letting him stay another year even if we win no more games this year. Possibly even if all remaining games are horrific blowout losses.
which means the 2017 class will be the same. Good god, even if there's a new coach by the 2017, 2018 seasons there will be nothing to work with. Couple back to back classes in the bottom 1/4 of all of FBS and see what that looks like 3 or 4 years from now. I guess at least they may have better coaching by then.
Why? Nebraska was 3-5 when we played them. They played with a walk-on QB. They didn't have some of their better players in the game. And it's not like they lost to all amazing teams - they lost to Illinois!
Them turning around and beating MSU? Great. First off, their walk-on QB who passed the ball to our DBs again and again didn't play in that game, their starter returned. Secondly, they really shouldn't have won the game. MSU isn't amazing. And quite frankly, they were SO EMBARRASSED to lose to us, they were extremely motivated. There's an article that has a freedom of information request with emails the President of the university received after the Purdue game - let's just say people don't think too highly of losing to Purdue.
Hazell is going to leave Purdue in a complete mess. You thought things were bad when Hope left, just wait.
purdue his tied for third best recuiting class in the mac. getting killed by toledo and western michigan 57 and 58. western michigan should have more talent than purdue. this year 58 to 94 western. last year 69 to 78 purdue. 2 years ago 59 to 72 western. this is after western michigan came off a 1-11 season.
