Great weather a plus... Why you would want to lose the home field advantage?
52,000 reasons to keep the game on campus
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agreed.
Any talk about moving the series to Indy is silly. It's absurd.
It's a college game. And, while the students make up a minority of those in attendance, it's foolish to move the game off campus.
ND tried to do that with the inaugural game at the Loosier Dome in '84(?), paid the price and lost the game. Tried to bus students and alum to the game. Purdue kicked their arse (even though we might have won on a play late in the game with 12 men on the field).
It doesn't further the collegiate game. It doesn't add to the aura of college athletics. It reeks of turning it more and more into a pursuit of $$$$$.
This.
The Tv coverage of Ross-Ade, the campus, and the new FB facility made an awesome impression - I’m very envious of all who were there in person!!
Hopefully this buries the neutral-site nonsense, but I somehow doubt it...
Why doesn't anyone ever say the honest thing? Indianapolis is NOT A NEUTRAL SITE. Never has been. Never will be.
Plus we would still have six home games at Ross-Ade so the Bucket game in Indy would be a de facto seventh home game in the middle of our primary recruiting base.
But heck, let's not consider the advantages. Let's just parrot each other and call it dumb and foolish and silly and absurd.
This is NOT a de facto home game for Purdue. It is for IU. Give them a home game against Purdue every year. Great plan.
Why must we accept the "never will be" part? Exposure is the best argument for playing the game in Indy. What better way to win the hearts and minds of residents than pounding little brother in a marquee event in the heart of the state? There are plenty of kids growing up in Indy with no affiliation or exposure to either side.
I'm OK with leaving it on campus (preferably away from Thanksgiving), but IU being an "Indy town" is not a good argument.
Most reversible jacket fans wouldn't spend $5 to watch IU play football. Most don't even want to acknowledge IU has a football team. I'm guessing it would be 60/40 Purdue fans on average.
That's a large part of the issue. For 110 years, until 2010, the Bucket game was played before Thanksgiving. I attended many of those games and it was always a great atmosphere whether it Btown or WL.
Since moving to Turkey weekend in 2010, the game has been on a ghost town campus with small crowds just about every year. We could shove the entire schedule back one week and begin playing football on the first weekend of the fall semester, retain a bye week and end the season before Thanksgiving.
Is it alright if I don't call the idea of Purdue-IU in Indy dumb, foolish, silly, or absurd but oppose it just the same?
In my humble opinion there is no substitute for the pageantry, color, and tradition of college football played in on-campus stadiums, particularly rivalry games, for players, coaches, and fans alike.
As for recruits, they are not considering playing at Lucas Oil University and their exposure to the on-campus atmosphere of a game such as Saturday's is, I think, infinitely more impressive than had it been played in sterile Peyton Place.
Yes, I am a curmudgeon of 45 and subscribe to the Ward Lambert School of thinking that intercollegiate games should be played in on-campus venues. (And I realize that kind of thinking permitted the Hilljacks to hang Dusty Banner #1.) But there are already too many regular season games at Jerry World and the like. If there must be college football at Lucas Oil, let's set our sights on the B1G championship game -- to which Mr. November will lead us soon.
Prof E, there are three options here:
(1) Status quo, playing on a ghost town campus every Turkey weekend.
(2) Playing six home games in WL and the Bucket game in Indy every year.
(3) Moving the schedule back one week and playing the Bucket game on the weekend before Thanksgiving as was done for a century + ten years.
None of those options are dumb, foolish, silly, or absurd. All of them are quite reasonable. The issue is, what is in the best long-term interests of Purdue football? Perhaps we could discuss it without ridicule.
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Perhaps part of the problem is that point #2 seems to be giving up too much for too little in return. If we play 7 home games every year as is, then if you make the bucket game a neutral site game, I would assume every other year we would still get 7 home games. So it would be an average of 6.5 home games plus Indy (which would be a home-ish game except for rare years in which IU is any good).
Based on 20 years from two attempts at existence there before moving the hell out, Indianapolis is the East Berlin of hoosierism. Purdue gets buried behind the Red Curtain, thanks to a million Wal-mart T-shirt fans who blindly identify with the state’s name, reinforced by decades of loosiers hiring loosiers to create inbred media, gripping every TV outlet all the way down to the tar under your puppies.
They’ve even obliterated what had been the Purdue part of IUPUI.
Any Purdue-iu event leaves Boilermakers hugely out-numbered in that lame market, and the handful of worthwhile recruits produced by this state certainly won’t see that as the least bit appealing, especially when such a game undermines their own high school playoff destination.
Boilers, there’s no place like home. Give thanks at Ross-Ade, just like last Saturday.
They’ve even obliterated what had been the Purdue part of IUPUI.
Any Purdue-iu event leaves Boilermakers hugely out-numbered in that lame market, and the handful of worthwhile recruits produced by this state certainly won’t see that as the least bit appealing, especially when such a game undermines their own high school playoff destination.
Boilers, there’s no place like home. Give thanks at Ross-Ade, just like last Saturday.
Three is the only option I agree with.I was on the fence about whether or not to move it to Indy prior to this past Saturday,since the crowd was great,the weather wasn't bad,and the atmosphere was electric,I now want to keep it in Ross Ade and Memorial Stadiums.But I do see your point about starting the season a week earlier.
We do not play 7 home games every year. We play six.
This year we played a neutral site game in Indy (Louisville) plus six home games. That's the blueprint. I suggest we play six home games every year with the Bucket game in Indy as a 7th home game. The Bucket game would be a 7th home game added to the season tickets of both IU and Purdue every year, thus an annual increase in ticket revenue.
We have seven home games scheduled in 2018 and 2019 and had seven most seasons in the past. This season was an anomaly, not the blueprint. Most P5 teams schedule seven home games.
I've been going for many, many years (judging by your prior comments, we're probably similar in age).
This was one of the best games for attendance I can recall. I should do some research on that.
.you've got some seriously thin skin there, buckaroo.
There's nothing wrong with being blunt. You put your opinion out there an it got smacked down. No blood, no foul.
I haven't seen him these parts for some time, but I'd love destewart's take on the issue.
No, what happened here is that your redneck gibberish was shoved back down your throat. You lack the integrity to acknowledge when you have lost a debate and you lack the intellect to discuss an issue in a civil tone.
You better go get destewart to do your talking for you.
With respect to moving the bucket game to before Thanksgiving:
It would be hard to do under the current B1G scheduling format without upsetting that entire last weekend of mostly rivalry games ---- unless the entire conference season ends a week early. As I recall, the current configuration is to have six division games plus IU/Purdue on that weekend. I don't think you could take the bucket game out of that scheme without the rest of it falling apart.
It is my understanding that Iowa/Nebraska want to keep the Friday after Thanksgiving. OSU/Michigan will be a big deal regardless of when it's played. Not sure what the thinking is at other schools about how the Thanksgiving holiday affects attendance at rivalry games, though as I recall there is a history of playing Minnesota/Wisconsin and Illinois/Northwestern earlier in the season.
It would be hard to do under the current B1G scheduling format without upsetting that entire last weekend of mostly rivalry games ---- unless the entire conference season ends a week early. As I recall, the current configuration is to have six division games plus IU/Purdue on that weekend. I don't think you could take the bucket game out of that scheme without the rest of it falling apart.
It is my understanding that Iowa/Nebraska want to keep the Friday after Thanksgiving. OSU/Michigan will be a big deal regardless of when it's played. Not sure what the thinking is at other schools about how the Thanksgiving holiday affects attendance at rivalry games, though as I recall there is a history of playing Minnesota/Wisconsin and Illinois/Northwestern earlier in the season.
Wow. Someone's having a bad Monday.
My 'redneck gibberish'. I guess posting that is easier than trying to win in the arena of ideas.
I hope the rest of your week is better.
No, what happened here is that your redneck gibberish was shoved back down your throat. You lack the integrity to acknowledge when you have lost a debate and you lack the intellect to discuss an issue in a civil tone.
You better go get destewart to do your talking for you.
Got it.
Shoved down my throat.
Over a discussion about moving the bucket game off campus.
And I lost a debate. Without integrity.
Over an opinion about moving the bucket game off campus.
And, I'm a redneck. With gibberish.
Got it.
Have a great week, Boris!
Boris, I like you.
You're a good egg.
A little cranky today, but still a good egg.
Have a great week!
Ghost town? 90% full in 2017. 80% full in Gloomington in 2016. 65% in 2015. 75% in 2014 (for a 3-8 v. 2-9). 85% in 2013 (1-10 Purdue team). 74% 2012. 79% in 2011. 88% in 2010. 90% in 2009. 100% in 2008. 94% in 2007.
One time it was less than 70% capacity in 11 years?
Last I saw there were 3x the number of IU grads in metro Indy compared to Purdue (roughly 75k vs 25k if I recall). Add in T shirt fans and Indy is unquestionably an IU town.
Interesting analysis.
We have some additional info for comparison:
This year we played UofL at LOS, first game of the season. Not sure it tells us much, as we had a brand new coach, lots of reasons to be optimistic, going against 2016 Heisman trophy winner and #16 UofL.
The game drew 42K and change, capacity 70K, 60%.
The very next week, we take on Ohio U at R-A.
The game drew 45K and change, 80% capacity.
Again, not sure it tells us much, as no doubt there was a LOT more optimism after going toe-to-toe with UofL the week before.
But, back to the UofL game @ LOS . . . No doubt they traveled quite well, only 2 hours away with a Heisman winner and pretty nice pre-season ranking. Sure, it's an hour farther than Gloomington, but I'm doubtful Loosier fans would have represented as well.
The other thing with Lucas Oil, aside from losing out on concessions, souvenirs, parking, etc. is that the ticket prices have to be higher than you can charge for a game in your place. I want to say the "Get in" price at Lucas Oil was $45? You have to pay their people and for facility usage. If you are a student, $45 can be steep. If you are a family of 4, $180. Purdue ran a special for $80 for 4 tickets and I think a concession voucher. It also gives people $100 to spend elsewhere on YOUR campus.
Please please try to understand. The Bucket game at Lucas will be an extra "home" game. If we have six games at Ross-Ade, the Bucket game at Lucas will become essentially a seventh home game for us.
If we have seven home games at Ross-Ade, then the Bucket game at Lucas becomes an eighth home game for us. We aren't going to lose money on this, we will gain revenue.
Colorado / Colorado St. play every year at Mile High stadium. That would be an interesting one to benchmark and understand what the benefit is to each school. The only benefit I can think of is the opportunity to get the casual football fan in Denver (a Broncos town) engaged in college football.
Next year we have 7 home games without the bucket game. in 2019 we have 7 home games with the Bucket game? Why would I want to cut that to 6 with one "neutral"? How do we get parking revenue, t-shirt revenue, programs, concessions in Lucas Oil? It makes no sense whatsoever.
But why not a home-and-home? Why trade a home game every other year for a neutral site game every year? Isn't that the question here.
One more time. Please try to get it into your head this time, OK?
We are not cutting any home games. We will have seven games in Ross-Ade and another game at a so-called neutral site, Lucas.
Colorado and Colorado St aren't in the same conference and never have been.
That is a scheduling impossibility. 9 conference games so you will rotate 5/4 home games with that. On a year you have the 4 home, you would need to have 3 non conference home games. With decent opponents requiring a home-home, that is not likely. It will work out in 2018 as Missouri owes us. But 2020 we have a payback with Boston College and 5 home games on the schedule as it stands now. 2019 we have 7 with one being vs. IU at home. How would we get a 7th home game that year?
This is all a waste of time as it would upset the IHSAA who has a good thing going with the football finals now that same weekend.
Everyone DOES understand.
Everyone has considered your idea, and the overwhelming conclusion is that it’s NOT something Purdue should buy into, if you read the thread.
Frankly it’s insulting to assert that people disagree with you because we “don’t understand”
You made a suggestion, most people here disagree. Get over it.
Florida and Georgia, who are in the same conference, have played at a neutral site (Jacksonville) each year since 1927.
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