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2018 B1G Recruiting

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With 2018 being an important class for Purdue to keep pace with the B1G one can get an early glance at how the B1G is doing with the top 150 2018 recruits.
Schools current recruit rank...
MD. 13, 90
NW. 39, 128
MICH. 43, 129
IOWA. 44
WISC. 67
MN. 74
MSU. 94, 96, 104

Of course rankings will change and some guys will emerge in July who are not on the current list.

Things to note from above....
1. There are again some great players coming to the B10 like the last few years, and it will take talent to win the B10 regardless of your opinion on the rankings
2. NW will be pretty tough in a year or two.
3. MD always impressive in recruiting is going to continue to be tough.
4. Purdue has some catching up to do......but easily lots of time left.
5. High ranking recruits give you a higher probability of success, but a classes final measure is 2-4 years after recruiting.
 
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with the advent of the one and done and sometimes 2 and done, yo u can no longer say the final measure of a recruiting class will be 2-4 years down the road. Swanigan only helped us 2 years. What are you going to say about his class two years from now? A recruiting class is now a one year thing. it's either good or its bad. and right now I'm seeing 7 teams with commitments from players that are all rated higher than the ones Painter is targeting.

I read a lot of posts by people who said last year's class was great, and the 2018 class will be great. it won't be great if 7 other BIG 10 schools are better than us. Does Painter even have a top 50 player in sight? a top 75 player?
 
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with the advent of the one and done and sometimes 2 and done, yo u can no longer say the final measure of a recruiting class will be 2-4 years down the road. Swanigan only helped us 2 years. What are you going to say about his class two years from now? A recruiting class is now a one year thing. it's either good or its bad. and right now I'm seeing 7 teams with commitments from players that are all rated higher than the ones Painter is targeting.

I read a lot of posts by people who said last year's class was great, and the 2018 class will be great. it won't be great if 7 other BIG 10 schools are better than us. Does Painter even have a top 50 player in sight? a top 75 player?

I did say 2-4 years so it covers the 2 and Done players.

As far as the 2018 class rankings will change....but yes, so far it looks less than promising.....but obviously will as CMP is yet to land a guy. However, long way to go and way to early to tell.

Although, no top 50 I think a guy or two on CMP's list of realistic Boilers should be top 150 type talent(a few are)....Emmanuel Dowuona, THT, Jaelin Llewellyn, Aaron Henry, Eric Hunter Keyshawn Embery Robert Phinisee, George Conditt, Damezi Anderson, Trevion Williams. Take Damezi for example.....close, but not top 100 yet, but the way he is playing I would be very excited for him to be a Boiler and put him up against most guys in the 50-75 range. Extending that logic...a class of Dowuona, and Anderson, Williams and Eric Hunter I could be excited about.....even though it might not "rank" as high as some others.

But to be frank, YES Purdue needs to land some of the guys they WANT....they cannot think they will be competitive if teams constantly out recruit them for the players CMP actually wants. So if CMP wants a guy like Bingham or Johns and he ends up getting beat for him....that is just 1 guy....but if it happens several times, and guys like Williams, Anderson or Hunter end up also @ other B10 schools, then the cumulative effect of all those guys ending up at your competition starts to matter quite a bit.
 
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my beliefs are twofold. it will be hard to judge a class like MSU if JJJ leaves after one year and bridges leaves after two. Do you count their replacement for the other 3 years ? With Purdue, Painter has not been able to fill Biggie's scholarship. if he gives it to a walk-on, then that scholarship over the course of 4 years doesn't look quite as good.

and like football, I prefer to rank our recruiting success against our opponents rather than our previous team/class. if we have a good class with a bunch of top 150 players, that's great. But if our BIG 10 competition all has a recruiting class with top 50 and top 75 players, then our class doesn't look as great. To be successful - especially in the one and done era, we need to target and sign some more talented players. if we want to be better than a sweet 16 team, we need to sign players like Langford and JJJ.

I raise the question. given a choice, would you rather have Haarms, or JJJ, Epperson, Tilmon, or Tillman (msu) . Haarms will be a great player eventually. But JJJ would have made an immediate impact. on the plus side, Haarms will be at purdue all 4 years, and JJJ would have only competed one year.

The players Painter is targeting are good and nice players, and in 4 years will be good and nice players. and they will keep Purdue competitive and win 20 games. But if that continues to happen, and our competition continues to improve, Purdue will slide down into 3rd or 4th place in the BIG 10 (which isn't bad) but that will equate to a #4-6 seed in the NCAA . and from experience, it's very hard to make the Final 4 as a #4-6 seed. it can be done, but it's not probable. and for those who make out brackets, I doubt anybody would pick Purdue to make the Final 4 as a #4 seed including Purdue fans.

on a positive note, I fully expect several of painter's targets to improve their ratings as the year progressed much like C Edwards did. however, I also expect many of our competition's commitments to improve as well.
 
There are far too many variables in this question. Is their first year high-ranked better at this point than our seasoned 4th year player? Will their big man suffer from them not having a good PG to get him the ball? Can the team with the great 1-done be able to replace him?

I think that Haarms gives us 2 or 3 good years over the JJJ/et al for one year. It's like a sugar high - higher at this point, but lower at several future points. KY counts on the ability to replace the 1-done. As long as they do .. .they're good.

It's a pick your poison - or pick your high. for Purdue, get the best long-term guys you can. If you get a short term guy, grab him, but build a team that a 1-done can add to with skilled long-term players at all positions. And keep pushing the recruiting ceiling by going after the really good ones.
 
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it's a tough call. As a fan, you want Langford to come to Purdue. but if he does, it will only be for 1-2 years at most. and if he does, it will be at the expense of C Edwards or Eastern who will either take a back seat or leave. So how much do you really gain?

As yo u said, it works for Uk and Duke, because they always have more one and dones waiting for their chance. But the likelihood of Purdue having a one and done and the n replacing them with more one and dones is remote. and you end up destroying the chemistry you built.

a team like Kansas always seems to have one 1 year player among their mix. but they blend him I with 3-4 year players. The same applies to Duke. I had thought JJJ would be a great choice, because he could slip into the void created by Swanigan without upsetting the rest of the chemistry of the team.

it's kind of like recruiting jucos for football. if a player is only going to be here 1-2 years, you want the player to be at a position of need rather than strength. Signing Swanigan made a lot of sense as I can't remember who the PF was the year before. Signing JJJ would have made sense to replace Swanigan. Signing Trent, Bowen or Langford would be great, but I'm not sure if it would have led to having a better team. it's begging the question, if you have a healthy Hummel, (and I realize the years don't match) would you recruit a Wiggins?
 
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I personally like how MD, KS and MSU do it where hey mix 1/2 dones with solid 4 year players as it gives you super talented guys, mixed with consistency of the 4 year guy. And that mixing of super talent with 4 year guys is why we won the B1G last year. So obviously I would like that to continue.
 
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it's a tough call. As a fan, you want Langford to come to Purdue. but if he does, it will only be for 1-2 years at most. and if he does, it will be at the expense of C Edwards or Eastern who will either take a back seat or leave. So how much do you really gain?

As yo u said, it works for Uk and Duke, because they always have more one and dones waiting for their chance. But the likelihood of Purdue having a one and done and the n replacing them with more one and dones is remote. and you end up destroying the chemistry you built.

a team like Kansas always seems to have one 1 year player among their mix. but they blend him I with 3-4 year players. The same applies to Duke. I had thought JJJ would be a great choice, because he could slip into the void created by Swanigan without upsetting the rest of the chemistry of the team.

it's kind of like recruiting jucos for football. if a player is only going to be here 1-2 years, you want the player to be at a position of need rather than strength. Signing Swanigan made a lot of sense as I can't remember who the PF was the year before. Signing JJJ would have made sense to replace Swanigan. Signing Trent, Bowen or Langford would be great, but I'm not sure if it would have led to having a better team. it's begging the question, if you have a healthy Hummel, (and I realize the years don't match) would you recruit a Wiggins?
Agreed but getting the special 5* 1 and done type talent will take continued tourney success and strengthening our recruiting. We also need to show consistency on getting guys to the NBA. If Vince ends up getting drafted in the 1st round that will help.
 
it's a tough call. As a fan, you want Langford to come to Purdue. but if he does, it will only be for 1-2 years at most. and if he does, it will be at the expense of C Edwards or Eastern who will either take a back seat or leave. So how much do you really gain?

As yo u said, it works for Uk and Duke, because they always have more one and dones waiting for their chance. But the likelihood of Purdue having a one and done and the n replacing them with more one and dones is remote. and you end up destroying the chemistry you built.

a team like Kansas always seems to have one 1 year player among their mix. but they blend him I with 3-4 year players. The same applies to Duke. I had thought JJJ would be a great choice, because he could slip into the void created by Swanigan without upsetting the rest of the chemistry of the team.

it's kind of like recruiting jucos for football. if a player is only going to be here 1-2 years, you want the player to be at a position of need rather than strength. Signing Swanigan made a lot of sense as I can't remember who the PF was the year before. Signing JJJ would have made sense to replace Swanigan. Signing Trent, Bowen or Langford would be great, but I'm not sure if it would have led to having a better team. it's begging the question, if you have a healthy Hummel, (and I realize the years don't match) would you recruit a Wiggins?
Agreed but getting the special 5* 1 and done type talent will take continued tourney success and strengthening our recruiting. We also need to show consistency on getting guys to the NBA. If Vince ends up getting drafted in the 1st round that will help.
Bingham is off the board.
 
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the addition of Bingham makes MSU look even stronger. Although it kind of takes them out of the running for recruits that blossom later in the year. Although, they probably don't care.
 
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Izzo is loading up on bigs in 2018 and wings in 2019. When final 2018 rankings are finished I would expect Brown and Bingham to be ranked #20-#50 in the country, Foster Loyer #40-#60, Thomas Kithier #60-#80. MSU is in really good shape with 4* Joey Hauser out of Wisconsin and 4* Trevion Williams from Detroit.

In 2019 MSU is the favorite with 5* Keion Brooks and Romeo Weems, 4* Mark Watts Jr and Terry Armstrong. All four of those guys are ranked top 35 in the country by ESPN.

Izzo is on track to land the best four consecutive classes of his career in 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2019.
 
Izzo is loading up on bigs in 2018 and wings in 2019. When final 2018 rankings are finished I would expect Brown and Bingham to be ranked #20-#50 in the country, Foster Loyer #40-#60, Thomas Kithier #60-#80. MSU is in really good shape with 4* Joey Hauser out of Wisconsin and 4* Trevion Williams from Detroit.

In 2019 MSU is the favorite with 5* Keion Brooks and Romeo Weems, 4* Mark Watts Jr and Terry Armstrong. All four of those guys are ranked top 35 in the country by ESPN.

Izzo is on track to land the best four consecutive classes of his career in 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2019.

Your expected final rankings read like a homer's wet dream. The chance of most of those even being close to correct is minuscule.
 
Izzo is loading up on bigs in 2018 and wings in 2019. When final 2018 rankings are finished I would expect Brown and Bingham to be ranked #20-#50 in the country, Foster Loyer #40-#60, Thomas Kithier #60-#80. MSU is in really good shape with 4* Joey Hauser out of Wisconsin and 4* Trevion Williams from Detroit.

In 2019 MSU is the favorite with 5* Keion Brooks and Romeo Weems, 4* Mark Watts Jr and Terry Armstrong. All four of those guys are ranked top 35 in the country by ESPN.

Izzo is on track to land the best four consecutive classes of his career in 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2019.
So you're saying you might actually be able to beat someone and win a Big Ten title.....time will tell.

If MSU lands all that talent you speak of, no way it stays that way and you will have 2 or 3 of them transfer.

Actually I bet you have one transfer before the season even starts or drops out of their commitment.

Williams may come our way now that you loaded up and MSU has shown its hand and Hauser may now go to Marquette which I think is his lean anyways not MSU.

Purdue will still get who we need and we will still kick your ass with our 2 , 3 and 4 star players......

Which is why you're over here bragging because you have little man syndrome and have to stick out your chest to sound relevant....but the reality is we have been kicking your ass.....

Have a good 4th of July weekend and be sure to hold that firecracker real close to your ear....it will sound just like Mackey when we are kicking your ass again this year.
 
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Loyer is a PG, Brown was recruited at SG, Kithier was recruited at both PF and SF; Bingham is a PF/C. Hauser is a SF and Williams is a pure C. None of the 2018 kids really overlap in terms of skills. If Hauser picks Michigan State he will will do so knowing about Kithier, he could end up at Marquette but word right now is MSU is his #1. The 2019 kids are viewed as PGs and SGs, all favor MSU at this point. Ward will likely be gone after his junior year and Jackson Jr his Fr or So season, there is plenty of playing time. MSU might have a transfer but that just means someone got passed up by a better quality player, so I'm happy with it.

Congrats on last year, no question you were the best team in the B1G.
 
Your expected final rankings read like a homer's wet dream. The chance of most of those even being close to correct is minuscule.
Here is my view:

Izzo prioritized Brown over Johns. Izzo prioritized Loyer over Tyger Campbell and Loyer has been one of the best AAU players this summer in the entire country. If you are a hoops fans do yourself a favor and watch Loyer's highlights. Bingham has grown 6 inches in the last 2 years and just started playing basketball. Most people in the state of Michigan view Bingham and Brown has having NBA upside. Izzo took Kithier almost a year and he is a legit 4* talent. When the team rankings are finished in 2018 Michigan State will have a top 5 class.

Here are some highlights:

Foster Loyer:


Gave Brown:


Marcus Bingham:
 
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Here is my view:

Izzo prioritized Brown over Johns. Izzo prioritized Loyer over Tyger Campbell and Loyer has been one of the best AAU players this summer in the entire country. If you are a hoops fans do yourself a favor and watch Loyer's highlights Bingham has grown 6 inches in the last 2 years and just started playing basketball. Most people in the state of Michigan view Bingham and Brown has having NBA upside. Izzo took Kithier almost a year and he is a legit 4* talent. When the team rankings are finished in 2018 Michigan State will have a top 5 class.

Here are some highlights:

Foster Loyer:


Gave Brown:


Marcus Bingham:
Why are you over here.....worried much?

We talk Purdue here, not MSU.....

I guess we are the top program in Big Ten with most Big Ten titles.....so I understand why you here, but we do not care about MSU......

We will just continue being good old Purdue
Loyer is a PG, Brown was recruited at SG, Kithier was recruited at both PF and SF; Bingham is a PF/C. Hauser is a SF and Williams is a pure C. None of the 2018 kids really overlap in terms of skills. If Hauser picks Michigan State he will will do so knowing about Kithier, he could end up at Marquette but word right now is MSU is his #1. The 2019 kids are viewed as PGs and SGs, all favor MSU at this point. Ward will likely be gone after his junior year and Jackson Jr his Fr or So season, there is plenty of playing time. MSU might have a transfer but that just means someone got passed up by a better quality player, so I'm happy with it.

Congrats on last year, no question you were the best team in the B1G.
Yes and we still are......which has to be the reason you're over here worried and trying to brag.

We understand you have too to keep up with the Big Tens most winning program and most titles.

Thanks for the respect and be well.
 
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Thread is about 2018 B1G recruiting.

Michigan State's basketball records stack up fine vs. all B1G schools since it joined the B1G in 1953. Without looking it up I'm willing to bet MSU has more B1G championships, B1G tourney titles, Final Fours and NC vs. Purdue over that time.
 
Thread is about 2018 B1G recruiting.

Michigan State's basketball records stack up fine vs. all B1G schools since it joined the B1G in 1953. Without looking it up I'm willing to bet MSU has more B1G championships, B1G tourney titles, Final Fours and NC vs. Purdue over that time.
MSU certainly has more felonies. Congratulations!
 
Thread is about 2018 B1G recruiting.

Michigan State's basketball records stack up fine vs. all B1G schools since it joined the B1G in 1953. Without looking it up I'm willing to bet MSU has more B1G championships, B1G tourney titles, Final Fours and NC vs. Purdue over that time.
Hello Sparty. Sorry that not all will welcome you, but you have been nothing but cordial here, so I welcome you. Thanks for the recruiting insights from Spartan Land. Each piece of data adds to our knowledge.

Regards.
 
Here is my view:

Izzo prioritized Brown over Johns. Izzo prioritized Loyer over Tyger Campbell and Loyer has been one of the best AAU players this summer in the entire country. If you are a hoops fans do yourself a favor and watch Loyer's highlights. Bingham has grown 6 inches in the last 2 years and just started playing basketball. Most people in the state of Michigan view Bingham and Brown has having NBA upside. Izzo took Kithier almost a year and he is a legit 4* talent. When the team rankings are finished in 2018 Michigan State will have a top 5 class.


I'm still laughing. When you say things like "most people in the state" you are just making stuff up. It's OK to be a complete homer, just admit it. And I even like Foster Loy, he's like a Spike Albrecht clone, but he Bingham and Brown are not all going to be top 50 recruits in their class when it is said and done.
 
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MSU is in really good shape with 4* Joey Hauser out of Wisconsin and 4* Trevion Williams from Detroit.
But does Williams want to sit behind Ward and Tillman? Assuming Ward sticks around for 2 more years. If he can develop a decent jumper and hit free throws, he could well be gone after this year.

Person I feel bad for in all your commits is probably Tillman, he might end up being the odd man out battling for playing time or that guy we grow to hate by his Jr/Sr year when he is a starter
 
As a Purdue grad fan who has long lived in Michigan, I enjoy the great competition MSU and U-M provide us. Thanks for coming on here and providing constructive input.

Having seen Foster Loyer play, I can vouch for him. As a 5-10 junior guard for Clarkston he dominated their Division 1 state title game with Xavier Tillman's Grand Rapids Christian team this winter. He is like a coach on the floor; court sense, skills and vision off the charts.

We will see about Izzo's others. He, like every coach, has missed on some great ones too: Biggie, Josh Jackson, Jabari Parker were recent near-Spartans. Wanted Eastern but PU got him.

I can't root against U-M's Beilein either, except when we play them.

I love seeing basketball played well -- by Purdue, especially. But by others too.
 
As a Purdue grad fan who has long lived in Michigan, I enjoy the great competition MSU and U-M provide us. Thanks for coming on here and providing constructive input.

Having seen Foster Loyer play, I can vouch for him. As a 5-10 junior guard for Clarkston he dominated their Division 1 state title game with Xavier Tillman's Grand Rapids Christian team this winter. He is like a coach on the floor; court sense, skills and vision off the charts.

We will see about Izzo's others. He, like every coach, has missed on some great ones too: Biggie, Josh Jackson, Jabari Parker were recent near-Spartans. Wanted Eastern but PU got him.

I can't root against U-M's Beilein either, except when we play them.

I love seeing basketball played well -- by Purdue, especially. But by others too.

Loyer looks like he has great offensive skills and is fun to watch. I'd take someone like him at Purdue in a heartbeat. The thing that stood out is he is really small in the video above. For someone that has seen him live, do you think he will he be able to defend high major PG's at the next level?

I only bring this up because PJ's had some issues on D against stronger guards, and Loyer looks smaller than PJ out there.

Also, is he really that quick? I swear that video is being played in fast forward.
 
Izzo is loading up on bigs in 2018 and wings in 2019. When final 2018 rankings are finished I would expect Brown and Bingham to be ranked #20-#50 in the country, Foster Loyer #40-#60, Thomas Kithier #60-#80. MSU is in really good shape with 4* Joey Hauser out of Wisconsin and 4* Trevion Williams from Detroit.

In 2019 MSU is the favorite with 5* Keion Brooks and Romeo Weems, 4* Mark Watts Jr and Terry Armstrong. All four of those guys are ranked top 35 in the country by ESPN.

Izzo is on track to land the best four consecutive classes of his career in 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2019.

https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/three-standing-out-early-for-four-star-keion-brooks
 
Izzo is loading up on bigs in 2018 and wings in 2019. When final 2018 rankings are finished I would expect Brown and Bingham to be ranked #20-#50 in the country, Foster Loyer #40-#60, Thomas Kithier #60-#80. MSU is in really good shape with 4* Joey Hauser out of Wisconsin and 4* Trevion Williams from Detroit.

In 2019 MSU is the favorite with 5* Keion Brooks and Romeo Weems, 4* Mark Watts Jr and Terry Armstrong. All four of those guys are ranked top 35 in the country by ESPN.

Izzo is on track to land the best four consecutive classes of his career in 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2019.
Keion Brooks Sr played his college ball for Ed Schilling at Wright State, and the family also really likes Archie.
MSU and Purdue will of course be fine, but IU is the leader for Brooks.
 
Man I love it when we are graced by the presence of MSU, IU, and UM fans on this board. I would've said "grads" but we all know....

For the record, my top recruits the last two years were JJJ and Bingham. So I admit that hurts. But we will be fine and we will maintain our B1G championship standing over the next 3-4 years. In fact I suspect the MSU AD has a better chance to get hit with a LOIC as much as a B1G championship. I am honestly losing track of their felonies.
 
Loyer looks like he has great offensive skills and is fun to watch. I'd take someone like him at Purdue in a heartbeat. The thing that stood out is he is really small in the video above. For someone that has seen him live, do you think he will he be able to defend high major PG's at the next level?

I only bring this up because PJ's had some issues on D against stronger guards, and Loyer looks smaller than PJ out there.

Also, is he really that quick? I swear that video is being played in fast forward.

I suspect Loyer's lack of size will be an issue. He is smart and skilled enough to compensate for some of that with quickness, anticipation and footwork/positioning.

Still, if I am (for instance) CMP, I'd like to isolate a big guard like Nojel Eastern against Loyer. Matt always follows the advice we give here ...
 
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Seems like Trevion Williams is down to Purdue and Xavier. I think MSU doesn't have a spot for him anymore but he's a good player. Will be a nice get for whichever school lands him.
 
Seems like Trevion Williams is down to Purdue and Xavier. I think MSU doesn't have a spot for him anymore but he's a good player. Will be a nice get for whichever school lands him.

Yes, but has he even visited here yet has he? I know a couple scheduled visits did not materialize. Purdue has a great need for him @ the 4/5...so he will get Big-time PT.....but can Painter reel him in?? So far he has had zero luck in Michigan over the years. He is a great player and a perfect match for what the 18 class at Purdue needs.
 
Yes, but has he even visited here yet has he? I know a couple scheduled visits did not materialize. Purdue has a great need for him @ the 4/5...so he will get Big-time PT.....but can Painter reel him in?? So far he has had zero luck in Michigan over the years.

Yeah not that Xavier is a bad choice but Purdue has immediate pt and Painter will feed his bigs. Just doesn't land MI kids tho
 
Trevion Williams would be a great start to the 18 class for Purdue @ the 4 he could be exactly what Purdue needs a rough and tough banger at the 4/5. Dowuano and Haarms are mobile enough to play with him IMO. Let's hope CMP & staff has messaged well enough for TW to see that there is a real need and a place for him here and become CMP's first Michigan Boiler. A class of Williams, Dowuano, Anderson and Hunter, although prob 3-5 in the B1G in terms of 18 classes would be exactly the type of players Purdue needs.

However, beating X for his services will be no small task as their coach is one heck of a super recruiter. Cannot believe the guys that he lands....he is just awesome at getting kids to buy into his program down there.
 
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57% of the 247 "Experts" predict Purdue for Trevion Williams; 43% to MSU no mention of Xavier - given their track record can we assume he will sign with X??

(As these same "Experts" during Carsen Edwards recruitment had him @ 50% to Vandy, 33% to SMU and 17% to Purdue.)

FYI-- Last year Williams averaged 22 points, 25 rebounds, 1.5 blocks, 3.5 assists and 2.5 steals. He posted five triple-doubles. He twice scored over 30 points and grabbed more than 30 rebounds in a game. Sounds like a keeper. (http://www.mlive.com/sports/2017/04/trevion_williams_once_an_outsi.html)
 
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Can you please list some of them. Thanks!


I believe those people who accuse other schools' players of being felons need to HUSH THEIR MOUTH !!!!! Purdue also has their own share of felons! or were their crimes reduced because they made a three or a tackle? let the school without felons cast the first stone. Purdue has several athletes who are very fortunate to still be on an athletic scholarship and on the team. At many other schools, they would have been suspended or released.
 
57% of the 247 "Experts" predict Purdue for Trevion Williams; 43% to MSU no mention of Xavier - given their track record can we assume he will sign with X??

(As these same "Experts" during Carsen Edwards recruitment had him @ 50% to Vandy, 33% to SMU and 17% to Purdue.)
Most of the MSU predictions were from last year. This could be our first commit but remaining cautious with X in the mix.
 
Watch out for Joe Wieskamp, the Iowa commit. He graded out I believe 3rd SF overall at the NBA top 100 camp.

Big Ten is certainly loading up. Got to keep up but don't look just at rankings. It's about finding the right guys to fit in with your schools culture
 
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